price of gas will be going up

[79ford]

I think new sulpher standards are coming about and gasoline is tough to desulpherize vs diesel and heavier portions of the oil.

[WCTHEMI]

No big surprise, it will only go up in the long term. No matter what the standards are.

[leeaspell]

So what will diesel fuel be now, super duper ultra low sulphur?

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by WCTHEMI

No big surprise, it will only go up in the long term. No matter what the standards are.

X2

[79ford]

no clue, diesel went from 600 ppm to under 15 or 10 for the standard. Gasoline is at 80ppm and I think 20 under might be the new target for gasoline. The problem with gasoline is hydrogenation to form h2s for stripping to produce low sulpher product hygrogenates aromatics reducing octane. Octane upgrading of naptha is the one of gasolines major hurdles. Lead used to be the solution, that is why gas used to be cheap in the sixties

[purgatory.sv]

I appreciate your post.

But I do not believe you.

You have alluded to chemistry and production of the product.

Cost will go up, but it will be related to capital expenditures and production.

I believe the science to make it clean has always been available.




Jam out of stimulant.

[79ford]

give it two years, ultra low sulpher products are very valuable. Being ahead of regulation is key. The blending aspect helps reduce cost on other streams capable of getting near sulpher targets for finished products. ULSD diesel blends usually go under 10ppm sulpher to blend with gasoil distillates with higher sulpher contents.

While hydrogenation of light gasoils and catalytic cracker feedstocks for diesel base production is benficial in the fact that lighter ends are produced in the process when you get to the light end of product adding hydrogen to reduce sulpher is not a beneficial reaction when it comes to octane rating of the hydro treated naptha blending stock.

[Kim473]

Its all BS. no matter how you look at it. Gasoline is a byproduct after making carosene, plastics and all kinds of other things etc... We are the ones getting ripped off.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 79ford

no clue, diesel went from 600 ppm to under 15 or 10 for the standard. Gasoline is at 80ppm and I think 20 under might be the new target for gasoline. The problem with gasoline is hydrogenation to form h2s for stripping to produce low sulpher product hygrogenates aromatics reducing octane. Octane upgrading of naptha is the one of gasolines major hurdles. Lead used to be the solution, that is why gas used to be cheap in the sixties

Gas was cheap in the 60's due to over supply market fundamentals. Refineries could easily produce what was needed and then some.

Now with a lack of refining...no new plants built in a long time...so many more cars on the road...different gasoline additive requirements across North America...supply fundamentals are very tight.

That being said oil prices have declined sharply in the last little bit. Should give some breathing room on pricing assuming no refinery problems occur.

[stubblejumper01]

Isn't it just about time for Petro Canada's yearly self induced shortage on a diesel additive to drive the price up? Happens every fall, so the price goes up then as soon as the oil price rises a bit there will be another increase.

[79ford]

Originally Posted by Kim473

Its all BS. no matter how you look at it. Gasoline is a byproduct after making carosene, plastics and all kinds of other things etc... We are the ones getting ripped off.

Considering how much effort goes into making gasoline vs diesel people are getting a deal if it is cheaper