Kenney wins PC leadership

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

If you choose to be willfully ignorant, that's up to you. Don't bother doing your own research, and please dismiss anything that disagrees with your preconceptions.

Good luck in defining what you think is "the right" and then uniting it. Never give up!

Your preconception that I don't do research is VERY wrong. I have done tons of research on all the political parties. As many on this site will attest to I don't follow blindly a party just for their ideology. I spoke out harshly against the CPC as I didn't like the direction Harper was taking Canada. I generally do a lot of research into the policies and platforms of parties to decide who will do whats best for Albertan's and Canadian's.

The NDP are not concerned with the best interests of Albertans, but are rushing through ideological policy while in power to appease their core minority supporters. Anyone who read their constitution should have been APPALLED and ran from the party. But due to the fact that most voters, vote superficially none of them knew what was coming with these extremists. I'm glad they've made themselves known, as the likelihood of them being re-elected is almost nothing. I have more fear that the Alberta Party then I do the NDP in 2019.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

Your preconception that I don't do research is VERY wrong. I have done tons of research on all the political parties. As many on this site will attest to I don't follow blindly a party just for their ideology. I spoke out harshly against the CPC as I didn't like the direction Harper was taking Canada. I generally do a lot of research into the policies and platforms of parties to decide who will do whats best for Albertan's and Canadian's.

The NDP are not concerned with the best interests of Albertans, but are rushing through ideological policy while in power to appease their core minority supporters. Anyone who read their constitution should have been APPALLED and ran from the party. But due to the fact that most voters, vote superficially none of them knew what was coming with these extremists. I'm glad they've made themselves known, as the likelihood of them being re-elected is almost nothing. I have more fear that the Alberta Party then I do the NDP in 2019.

You're not a centrist. I get that. Most Albertans are.

Whatever party appeals to that segment of the population will win in 2019.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

You're not a centrist. I get that. Most Albertans are.

Whatever party appeals to that segment of the population will win in 2019.

And Notley is? And who says I'm not a centrist? Please show me how the WR party is not centrist when they advocate public healthcare, and public education with choice? Most political groups in Canada are centrist, except for the socialist NDP and Greens.

[raab]

Little bit more on what to expect going forward.

Highlights:
- PC's negotiating with WRP through the Spring
- Expect a PC Referendum this Summer
- WRP wants WRP Legal Framework in place with a 75% vote if changing
And the big nugget
-Expect a early Spring election call next year...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...says-1.4032652

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by raab

Little bit more on what to expect going forward.

Highlights:
- PC's negotiating with WRP through the Spring
- Expect a PC Referendum this Summer
- WRP wants WRP Legal Framework in place with a 75% vote if changing
And the big nugget
-Exectp a early Spring election call next year...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...says-1.4032652

I think that the last one might be a stretch.Nutley and her pack of cronies will want to feed at the trough as long as they can.I can see the tactic behind it of not allowing the merged party enough time to fundraise for the next election.I heard on AM660 today that a group of PC lawyers say there is a way for the parties to merge without dissolution and in so doing they get to also preserve and merge their warchests for the next election.If a group of lawyers is saying this to the media you can bet your bottom dollar they thoroughly researched this.

FTH

[13mileranch]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

I think that the last one might be a stretch.Nutley and her pack of cronies will want to feed at the trough as long as they can.I can see the tactic behind it of not allowing the merged party enough time to fundraise for the next election.I heard on AM660 today that a group of PC lawyers say there is a way for the parties to merge without dissolution and in so doing they get to also preserve and merge their warchests for the next election.If a group of lawyers is saying this to the media you can bet your bottom dollar they thoroughly researched this.

FTH

I thought the PC's have a significant debt, not any kind of a warchest??

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by 13mileranch

I thought the PC's have a significant debt, not any kind of a warchest??

They were in debt after the last election just shy of 2 years ago and that is ample time to fundraise so I imagine they have something in the cookie jar as conservative voters in general do donate more money to political causes than their cheapskate socialist counterparts.Also large corporations donate and they did for give a fig about the NDP which was why the NDP brought in a cap on financial donations to political parties.This was not to give the NDP an advantage but to hinder the PC's and WR parties and lower them to the NDP level.

Last election in every riding the PC's and the WR had signs with that candidates name on the signs where the NDP had blanket signage for Nutley with the only ridings having names of NDP candidates getting named signs being high profile names like that commie Ceci and a few others.This trick came from Layton's playbook when he got that breakthrough in Quebec.Run a slick campaign but dont let the electorate know about the basket of deplorable candidates you have on the slate.Perfect example of this is the **** college student Deb Dreaver.If the electorate had gotten a look at her facebook page before the election no effing way they would have voted for her.

FTH

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

They were in debt after the last election just shy of 2 years ago and that is ample time to fundraise so I imagine they have something in the cookie jar as conservative voters in general do donate more money to political causes than their cheapskate socialist counterparts.Also large corporations donate and they did for give a fig about the NDP which was why the NDP brought in a cap on financial donations to political parties.This was not to give the NDP an advantage but to hinder the PC's and WR parties and lower them to the NDP level.

Last election in every riding the PC's and the WR had signs with that candidates name on the signs where the NDP had blanket signage for Nutley with the only ridings having names of NDP candidates getting named signs being high profile names like that commie Ceci and a few others.This trick came from Layton's playbook when he got that breakthrough in Quebec.Run a slick campaign but dont let the electorate know about the basket of deplorable candidates you have on the slate.Perfect example of this is the **** college student Deb Dreaver.If the electorate had gotten a look at her facebook page before the election no effing way they would have voted for her.

FTH

I saw today that the pc debt is 750,000 and WRP has +1 million.

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I saw today that the pc debt is 750,000 and WRP has +1 million.

Well they have their work cut out for them then.

FTH

[Bigwoodsman]

I sure hope the WRP and the Kenny run PCP can get along better and negotiate better then some of us AO members can. There's going to be a hell of a lot of give and take, bury the hatchet, grin and bear it, die on the sword, take it to the grave agreements for this to work and succeed! With the ultimate goal being to form the next provincial majority.

I don't think the NDP are particularly worried at this point and time.

I'm not sure these politicians have what it's going to take to get the job done!

The next two years should be mighty interesting. Sounds like an old fashioned ring-a-ding-dong-dandy is brewing!

BW

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

Well they have their work cut out for them then.

FTH

a match made in Edmonton. I think I saw it in the article on 880 news about Luckaschuk [sp]

[raab]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

Well they have their work cut out for them then.

FTH

Not really, I think the most likely thing to happen is they fold the PC's with a lot of them going over to the WRP with Kenney getting some sort of cabinet position. We'll see what comes out of it, but I dont really see anyway they dont unite the right at this point.

[raab]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

I think that the last one might be a stretch.Nutley and her pack of cronies will want to feed at the trough as long as they can.I can see the tactic behind it of not allowing the merged party enough time to fundraise for the next election.I heard on AM660 today that a group of PC lawyers say there is a way for the parties to merge without dissolution and in so doing they get to also preserve and merge their warchests for the next election.If a group of lawyers is saying this to the media you can bet your bottom dollar they thoroughly researched this.

FTH

I was just repeating what was said. I find it interesting that Jean thinks we could see a snap election next spring. This is the first time I've heard anything about it.

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

a match made in Edmonton. I think I saw it in the article on 880 news about Luckaschuk [sp]

What is the relevance?

On a side note is it not funny how we get worked up about politics and get ornery about which party/side we support when all the politicians do both Federally/Provincially is screw us over as tax payers.

On one side of the coin you had the Harper conservatives saying that OAS was in peril and they kicked it back for qualification to 67 instead of 65....ol shiny pony ran on keeping it at 65 and now his government has looked at the books and come to the conclusion that the Cons were dead on.....at the same time all of the politco pigs at the trough get their solid gold pensions with no worry about money running out.2 Days from now comes the new Trulander budget(which will balance itself) and the most expected thing is a 50% raise on capital gains to "punish the rich" which will only drive more people(middle class) to stuff money in the proverbial mattress and not gain the benefit of compounding(socialist government thinking is WE KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU).....Canada was born into a democracy but damn did we ever get slipped the noose into a modern political monarchy since some A-hole came up with income tax.

If I ever win the lottery I will send the money off shore via bit coin and just bugger off and watch the decline from a tropical paradise.

FTH

[Redfrog]

Relevance? You suspected something in the cookie jar, my info was different.

If they are indeed that far in the hole and WRP are that far in the black, it may indicate who would be a better manager. Especially considering that so many think the WRP were down and nearly out after the last election.

I started voting when I was 17 in the federal election. Times change of course, but at the time I was in the RCAF and allowed to vote. Criminals in prison were not. today that could easily be the reverse or maybe perverse would be a better term.

It appears that voters are stupid and politicians leverage this condition into positions or power and privilege and the peons pay for it.

The system is a poor system on its best day, but is still better than the other options.

It's too bad that lying wasn't extremely painful instead of politically advantageous.

[JustMe]

I think this is close to the truth, and didn't the NDP pass a bill shortly after being elected that limits party contributions? If this is all true, it certainly places the WRP in the drivers seat and Kenny will pretty much have to do whatever Brian dictates. I doubt Kenney's huge ego would allow that to happen?

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I saw today that the pc debt is 750,000 and WRP has +1 million.

[super7mag]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

I don't care what the two parties end up being called. There's a split right now, on the right.

And yes, I'll call them xenophobes and misogynists, as I've spent enough time on Brian Jean, and D-Fib and other WR MLA's social media to see a large number of comments that would support that judgement.

The rebel aligns with them, and they with it. They appear at functions and protests together, frequently.

Your partisan view is clouding your thought process, or you never read much about Lougheed and his politics. (BTW, the HTSF has gained 2 billion dollars since the NDP were elected, which is WAY better economic performance than going from $8billion when Lougheed left, to $17billion when the PC's were voted out.)

Your support of your assertion holds no water. Sandra Janzen was a card carrying PC, and ran for the leadership of that party. Do you have any evidence that she belonged to any other party, or had any other political afiliation? Same with Rath. He was invoking a clause from the party's own regulations surrounding destruction of the Alberta Progressive Conservatives by a member/members. These two examples you use are just weak innuendo.

Having said that, there are a lot of moderates, or as you would call them "liberal elites" wandering around Alberta, with no real party afiliation, just voting for whoever seems to be most reasonable ever 4 or 5 years.

I fully support the WR and Kenny PC's trying to unite their version of the right! I hope the battle is long and hard!

You seriously should read about the collapse of the SoCred dynasty.

You can belong to a party by buying a membership, if your personal views and policies don't match the base of said party , you have infiltrated it for nefarious reasons. Sandra and Allison are prime examples of that.
As far as misogyny is concerned I would consider leaving your wife and 2 kids at home while going on a date in NYC with Trumps daughter misogynistic. As a verb it does not have party's rather individuals acting as such. Sorry.
Maybe a history lesson on how and why the WR was originally founded needs to be a reminder. Big Oil started the WR with princess Dani, to head off a review by Eddy. They controlled the talking head until the base started to control the party, hence bring in prentice and cross the floor. That was all
Orchestrated weeks in advance. So the reality is the powerhouses in Calgary and beyond are really who we should be thanking the NDP for!! It just sucks that not only did they shoot themselves in the foot the really hurt Alberta and Albertans in the process..
Now the question becomes who are they backing this time and why?? Or are they playing both sides and seeing where the chips fall before hedging a bet?? Those are questions I'm not sure of. Hopefully it's the conservative base that can come together above the talking heads and put forth a party to take out the NDP , but also provide a decent present and future for Albertans. I don't know who that is though it's a wait and see game at this point.

[atarijedi]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

Then you lose the right to complain. FTH

Originally Posted by TBD

PS ... if you decide to NOT exercise this right, than like Hipster said, you have no business sharing your opinions

This doesn't make sense to me, so I have some questions.

Why does whether or not you vote automatically mean that you deserve to be censored?

If you do vote, but you spoil your ballot, is that any different from not voting? Why?

If you vote, and don't do anything else, and I don't vote, but I start a petition, or a rally, or write a scathing news article enlightening the public to some travesty, any of which causes the legislature to actually change something, doesn't that mean I have more right to share my political opinions, considering I was more politically active?

If you are under 18, does your opinion on political issues not matter, even if you are more versed in politics than most over 18?

If you haven't joined the ASCA or the school council, and have never attempted to join, do you lose the right to complain about teachers?

Voting is the least effective way to be politically active, it's political apathy. I don't see why forgoing voting necessitates the idea that opinions become irrelevant, especially when there is no one who shares enough of your views for you to support, or if you find them repugnant.

Some of the best political commentary typically comes from people outside the system, who can't vote, who don't have a foot in the race. Why should they be ignored because they don't vote?

If you don't vote simply because you are too lazy to go to the polls, I agree, they can keep their mouths shut. But until governments start adding "none of the above" to ballots, not voting is a completely legitimate way of voicing an opinion.

P.S. What does SED'gee mean? It sounds like a perjorative, in the way it was used, but I've never seen it, and neither has google or urbandictionary. Has me intrigued.

[slough shark]

Does anyone know what has happened to PC mla's past or present? Have any crossed the floor, resigned backed away now that the pc'a basically voted to become conservative? The only ones I know so far who bailed is Tommy lukasac who was always a liberal, anyone also hear of what happened with Redford? I'd expect she votes ndp now, that's kinda where she always was politically, I think she would have done many of the same things as Notley if her caucus had been as inept and far left wingnut as the ndp.

[TBD]

is working for some globalist department of the UN and on her off days hiding down in palm springs ...

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Originally Posted by atarijedi

This doesn't make sense to me, so I have some questions.

I'm sorry but with that low - low post count (2) and being newly subscribed only this month - YOU DON'T GET TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AND pls - KEEP your opinions to ur 'self !


TBD


PS ... as for loutazik - good riddance you piece of crap !


... ah mr. atari i may have come off a little brash, to answer one of ur questions --- SED'gee is nomenclature for people who espouse others political views and then when they get to the polling both, chicken 'out and vote for their own selfish interests.


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[slough shark]

[QUOTE=TBD;3499197]is working for some globalist department of the UN and on her off days hiding down in palm springs ...

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I'm sorry but with that low of post count and being newly sunscribed only this month - YOU DON'T GET TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AND pls - KEEP your opinions to ur 'self !


TBD


PS ... as for lutazik - good riddance you piece of crap !


... ah Mr. Atari i may have come off a little brash, i'll answer one question for ya --- SED'gee is nomenclature for people who espouse others political views on here and then when they get to the polling both vote for their own selfish interests.[/
Kinda figured she would stay out of this, the pc's under mciver or Kenney are actually a semblance of a Conservative party. Kinda telling where she stood politically as in pretty well every other leadership race a previous leader from the political party shows up

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I saw today that the pc debt is 750,000 and WRP has +1 million.

All political parties are pretty secretive about their finances - especially debt, and more so when they contemplate a forthcoming ugly divorce and a potentially unhappy marriage.

I don`t think anyone has ever disclosed what the PC debt is - and it`s my understanding they don`t have too. Only the top PC bag men and wheel greasers would know the answer to that question.

In 2016, the PC`s only raised about $275K. The WR`s and the ND`s were both tied with about $2M each. That`s all public knowledge.

The ND`s probably have a lot of individual supporters. The WR are probably cashing in on the corporate donation payola that was withdrawn after the PC`s election meltdown.

The old boys were not amused at the loss.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by raab

The differences in parties are that the WRP is a grassroots led party that governs similar to how Klein would govern although they a bit more to the left. .

I think you are a bit confused... either with your understanding of the parties, or on which is your right hand and which is your left. In no way are WR positions to the left of the Klein PC government.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I think you are a bit confused... either with your understanding of the parties, or on which is your right hand and which is your left. In no way are WR positions to the left of the Klein PC government.

To be fair we must remember that it seems the vast majority of the people complaining on various social media outlets about how the Conservatives screwed up Alberta during the 44 years they were in power, didn't even live in Alberta when Ralph was the Premier. They only saw the Stelmach, Redford Red Tory years...who were both incidentally elected leader of their party by the screwed up voting system the Conservatives implemented.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I think you are a bit confused... either with your understanding of the parties, or on which is your right hand and which is your left. In no way are WR positions to the left of the Klein PC government.

How are they right of Klein? Please enlighten me, as I see the WRP at the very least in the same position as Klein on a lot of issues or slightly more towards the center. I don't see a far right party everyone is claiming they are. I see a fiscally responsible party, who very closely aligns with the Ralph Klein PC's and not the Liberalists PC's of Stelmach and Redford.

[raab]

Originally Posted by hal53

To be fair we must remember that it seems the vast majority of the people complaining on various social media outlets about how the Conservatives screwed up Alberta during the 44 years they were in power, didn't even live in Alberta when Ralph was the Premier. They only saw the Stelmach, Redford Red Tory years...who were both incidentally elected leader of their party by the screwed up voting system the Conservatives implemented.

That's fair enough. Glad I got to live under one of the great Canadian premiers and see what a true conservative government can look like. Klein was always good for a quote, and balanced the books. Alberta could use him again right about now.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I think you are a bit confused... either with your understanding of the parties, or on which is your right hand and which is your left. In no way are WR positions to the left of the Klein PC government.

Is the WR left or right of Klein's stance on gay marriage? I'm not trying to lead to other debates, but just asking where they are in relation to the Klein PCs?

[HoytCRX32]

Both Wildrose and PC's have baggage that needs to be expelled. To keep from both sides blowing each other up (Notley's wet dream), a new "Conservative" party must be the result of a WR/PC merger. Jean and Kenney, as well as any other party member can participate in a leadership race. All party members should respect the result. Unity is what we need. The NDP/Liberals et al will exploit any divisions.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Is the WR left or right of Klein's stance on gay marriage? I'm not trying to lead to other debates, but just asking where they are in relation to the Klein PCs?

Pick a position. On property rights, the existence of the Human Rights Commission, ERCB/AER, private/public mix in healthcare. What we have now is pretty much what we had under Ralph's regime. NDP hasn't changed much of any of this yet. I'd say WR is to the right of what we presently have. No?

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Pick a position. On property rights, the existence of the Human Rights Commission, ERCB/AER, private/public mix in healthcare. What we have now is pretty much what we had under Ralph's regime. NDP hasn't changed much of any of this yet. I'd say WR is to the right of what we presently have. No?

You never answered my question. To answer your question though, yes the WR are right of the NDP. Also yes, the PC's even have ideology inline with the NDP. As Canadians are very social people culturally, we are always left of center. Even the WR would share ideologies with the the NDP; for example do they both believe in public schooling?