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Old 12-07-2023, 08:55 AM
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After close to 30 years of bow hunting Iíve decided to switch over to the crossbow due to the ole shoulder issues. Having never really followed xbows and their components, I just jumped in a found a 400fps compound and bought it. The price was reasonable so I didnít really research it too much. Iíll just give it a whirl. My question is about bolt options?
What are your recommendations in regards to bolt length and weights for a 400fps bow?
Iím not as nimble and quiet as I used to be so I think Iíll be stretching my shots on game from 10yds to closer to 50-60yds nowadays. I plan to use Rage or Spitfire broadheads, just not sure what carbon arrow would be optimal for this bow.
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Which make/model of crossbow did you end up getting?
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Old 12-07-2023, 12:14 PM
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A friend has a fast shooting crossbow and has had several brands of mechanical broadheads fail (not hold up). If it were me, I would go with fixed broadhead.

Regarding arrows, it depend on the specific crossbow you have. Several manufacturers require that you use their specific bolts which have undergone extensive testing to ensure safety and accuracy.


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Which make/model of crossbow did you end up getting?
interested too....like the excalibur micro extreme...
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Old 12-07-2023, 08:03 PM
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I bought an Excalibur Bulldog 400, which is supposed to shoot the supplied bolts at 400fps.

I watched a Youtube vid in which the guy suggests shooting longer heavier bolts, and deliberatley sacrificing speed.

Supplied bolts are 18", I bought 20" Carbon Express Piledriver bolts.

I went with 3blade 150gr Excalibur Boltcutter broadheads.
Also using 150gr fieldpoints for practice.

Both chronograph at 330fps.

Last year I shot a bull moose at 40 yards and the bolt just zipped right through that bull moose.

Speed is over-rated, to a point.
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I was in the same boat and got myself a 400fps Xbow. I bought 20Ē piledrivers and am not happy with them. I will be going to the manufacturers recommendation and will use 125 grain broadheads. Iím a believer in front heavy and I think Iíll get more speed and energy with the lighter arrow with the 125ís.
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Old 12-08-2023, 12:15 AM
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I am using three different arrows on my Excalibur crossbows:

Black Eagle Zombie Slayer cut to 17", 415 grs with a 175 gr NAP FOC Broadhead;

Carbon Express Maxima cut to 17", 420 grs with 175 gr NAP FOC Broadhead; and

BloodSport cut to 16", 415grs with a brass insert and a 150 gr Excalibur Boltcutter.

All these arrows will hit the 10 ring at 50 yards, every time, shooting off a bench rest.

My arrows are short and heavy because they work in Excalibur crossbows. crossbows. The NAP FOC mechanical broadhead opens to 3". Delivers a cut like a hatchet. A blind man can follow the blood trail.
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Old 12-08-2023, 04:07 PM
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I was in the same boat and got myself a 400fps Xbow. I bought 20Ē piledrivers and am not happy with them. I will be going to the manufacturers recommendation and will use 125 grain broadheads. Iím a believer in front heavy and I think Iíll get more speed and energy with the lighter arrow with the 125ís.
Good luck.
@Cagey did you chrony your 20" bolts?
Curious why you don't like them?

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I am using three different arrows on my Excalibur crossbows:

Black Eagle Zombie Slayer cut to 17", 415 grs with a 175 gr NAP FOC Broadhead;

Carbon Express Maxima cut to 17", 420 grs with 175 gr NAP FOC Broadhead; and

BloodSport cut to 16", 415grs with a brass insert and a 150 gr Excalibur Boltcutter.

All these arrows will hit the 10 ring at 50 yards, every time, shooting off a bench rest.

My arrows are short and heavy because they work in Excalibur crossbows. crossbows. The NAP FOC mechanical broadhead opens to 3". Delivers a cut like a hatchet. A blind man can follow the blood trail.
@CNP I've only practiced to 20 yards but when I got a shot at a bull moose at 40 yards I center-punched his lungs. Perfect broadside shot.

The 3 blade Excalibur broadhead cuts a pretty small hole, seems to me, but the moose was dead in just 50 yards.
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Old 12-08-2023, 08:31 PM
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@Cagey did you chrony your 20" bolts?
Curious why you don't like them?



@CNP I've only practiced to 20 yards but when I got a shot at a bull moose at 40 yards I center-punched his lungs. Perfect broadside shot.

The 3 blade Excalibur broadhead cuts a pretty small hole, seems to me, but the moose was dead in just 50 yards.
The NAP FOC broadheads that I use are only for deer sized game. 3" of cut through the thicker hide and bulk of the chest cavity of elk and moose isn't the best match for FOC broadheads. 1 to 1.5 inches of cut is better for elk and moose.
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My piledriver vanes are falling off. Iím going to a lighter arrow and a heavier broadheads to try to accomplish a faster and harder hitting arrow. Like a 150 grain bullet going faster and hitting harder that a heavier slower bullet.

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I bought an Excalibur Bulldog 400, which is supposed to shoot the supplied bolts at 400fps.

I watched a Youtube vid in which the guy suggests shooting longer heavier bolts, and deliberatley sacrificing speed.

Supplied bolts are 18", I bought 20" Carbon Express Piledriver bolts.

I went with 3blade 150gr Excalibur Boltcutter broadheads.
Also using 150gr fieldpoints for practice.

Both chronograph at 330fps.

Last year I shot a bull moose at 40 yards and the bolt just zipped right through that bull moose.

Speed is over-rated, to a point.
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Old 12-10-2023, 11:20 AM
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^ Energy = Mass x Velocity (theoretical bull****).

Lighter arrow, more speed you will likely have a flatter trajectory and maybe gain slightly longer max distance.

But it's half a dozen of one half dozen of the other.

In my logic I subscribe to the theory of loading the limbs of the crossbow to prolong the limb life.
Heavier bolts absorb max limb energy, reduce the vibration, as they soak up the limb energy.

And at 330fps, heck that's almost 100fps faster than my old compound bow used to shoot.
I have to put a sheet of 3/4" plywood behind my target butt, when shooting broadheads, they penetrate so deeply.

Cheers, Jim.
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Old 12-13-2023, 05:26 PM
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I picked up a used Wicked Ridge Invader 400. Havenít laid my hands on it yet as itís in transport to me. I decided to try some 20Ē Bloodsport Witness arrows. Plan to use 150 gr heads. Unsure at this time what broadhead. But from what Iíve read they get decent reviews. Weíll see if this bow will like them. I do prefer heavier than lighter arrows as some have mentioned.
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