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Old 01-23-2019, 10:16 AM
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Fairlife Milk Products - As far as I can tell, there is no country of origin listed that I can find any where on the website, but these milk products appear to be made from American dairy sources.
It's about choice, I realize that, but I will do all I can to avoid purchasing American products and I will try to inform as many people as I can when I find what I think are American products trying to pass themselves off as Canadian.
These products are "packaged" or "processed" in Canada but not produced here.
Again, your choice.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:30 AM
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Fairlife Milk Products - As far as I can tell, there is no country of origin listed that I can find any where on the website, but these milk products appear to be made from American dairy sources.
It's about choice, I realize that, but I will do all I can to avoid purchasing American products and I will try to inform as many people as I can when I find what I think are American products trying to pass themselves off as Canadian.
These products are "packaged" or "processed" in Canada but not produced here.
Again, your choice.
This system needs to be thrown right the hell out. Supply management is just a horrible idea in this day and age. I agree with "Choice" but that choice runs both ways.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:39 AM
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Agreed 100%. No matter what your thoughts are on Supply Management, labelling should be clear for us to know the source.

I like supporting Canada. It's why I only buy French's Ketchup now.
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Old 01-23-2019, 11:37 AM
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I wonder if anybody ever buys this. Did you see the price? Crazy!
I fully support Canadian dairy unless it's cheese where they still can't get the good European cheeses done here.
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And here I am trying to find American dairy
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Just google "Alberta dairy products" and support local farmers.
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Made in Quebec. Buy two!
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This system needs to be thrown right the hell out. Supply management is just a horrible idea in this day and age. I agree with "Choice" but that choice runs both ways.
Well facts tend to disagree with you but alas not sure if you want or would even listen to the explanation
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Made in Quebec. Buy two!
No thanks, no products from Quebec from me.

I wish that province would slide into the ocean.
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Well facts tend to disagree with you but alas not sure if you want or would even listen to the explanation
Go ahead. Love to hear it.
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Old 01-23-2019, 08:22 PM
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Funny when you go to the canadian site, and click on contact us, it goes to the coke company site, crazy who owns what
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Well facts tend to disagree with you but alas not sure if you want or would even listen to the explanation
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Go ahead. Love to hear it.
Yup me too. Lets here all about how supply management in the dairy industry is better for the consumer. I don't drink milk (haven't for 40 years) but do like cheese. As someone pointed out we can't get the same cheese as available elsewhere. As far as American diary sold in Canada - don't care. If there is an issue relating to standards or quality just make them comply with our standards or it can't come in. I don't get the issue here
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I do find it ironic that the Quebec dairy producers expect us to purchase their products, as they purchase Saudi oil, and protest our oil industry. If it's fair to put huge tariffs on American dairy products, it is also fair to place similar tariffs n Saudi oil.
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I agree labeling laws need to change and made more clear. Honey for example has huge writing on the front of the container saying CANADA #1. Means nothing other than a color grade and packaged in Canada. There may be no Canadian honey in that container. Read the fine print.
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Old 01-24-2019, 07:39 AM
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I agree labeling laws need to change and made more clear. Honey for example has huge writing on the front of the container saying CANADA #1. Means nothing other than a color grade and packaged in Canada. There may be no Canadian honey in that container. Read the fine print.
The Chinese are putting corn syrup and God knows what else in the honey, shipping it and packaging here as you mentioned. Definitely very unfair for our producers who are sincere in marketing an honest product. Also as far as I am concerned fraudulent to the consumer.
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Funny when you go to the canadian site, and click on contact us, it goes to the coke company site, crazy who owns what

All the links at the bottom of the fairlife website lead to the coca cola co. Fairlife is an affiliate of coca cola. I drink coke. Lots of it. I would have no problem drinking their milk. I oppose supply management, government subsidies and being told what to buy.
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Well facts tend to disagree with you but alas not sure if you want or would even listen to the explanation
I would love to hear how paying artificially high prices for dairy products to support massive corporate farms who then drive up the price of land (both purchased and rented) benefits the majority of Canadians.

Supply management had it's place 50 years ago when farmers were taking a few cans of cream to town in the back of their pick up, but modern dairy farms can certainly compete in a laissez faire market.
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No thanks, no products from Quebec from me.

I wish that province would slide into the ocean.
Quebec dairy farmers are the most militant support of Supply Management. Can you say Riot in the Streets ? Alberta oil workers have nothing like that.

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I have a real problem with families in Canada needing to pay $7.00 for 4 liters of milk for their kids when normal price is $2.00 to $ 3.00 in US. Our grand children will be a lot more healthy when families can afford lots of milk for strong bones in future.
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Agreed 100%. No matter what your thoughts are on Supply Management, labelling should be clear for us to know the source.

I like supporting Canada. It's why I only buy French's Ketchup now.
There was a big hullabaloo about origin labelling of meat products in the USA not too long ago. Alberta was vehemently opposed. Goes both ways. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cers-1.3854624
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I have a real problem with families in Canada needing to pay $7.00 for 4 liters of milk for their kids when normal price is $2.00 to $ 3.00 in US. Our grand children will be a lot more healthy when families can afford lots of milk for strong bones in future.
I'd rather know the producer of the stuff is getting his costs and a decent living. He'll be there when we want him. It's still cheap, our food costs are very low compared to some places. The reasons the Americans were and still are bitching is because they over produce massively and as a result prices are depressed below production costs. Farms are being forced out of business. Their answer is that they need a bigger market. American Imperialism at it's rawest.

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But american dairy farmers cant make a go of it? well that's too bad, you flood the market, but expect others to make up for it? Thats supply management at its finest. That's not capitalism.
Why is there no supply management in beef cows? If there are too many the price drops. Fewer and the people want to eat more, the price goes up. I have a huge problem with the government meddling in everything.
if you want to support local, great if you want the cheapest great.
The fact that I cannot go over to my nabour that is a dairy farmer and buy milk direct from him is complete crap. and that needs to change. The government telling me his milk is only safe if it gets cooked and changed at dairyland before I can drink it is totally ludicrous. But if I buy and cow and milk it there is no rule in place making that illegal, just it I get it from him.
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I'd rather know the producer of the stuff is getting his costs and a decent living. He'll be there when we want him. It's still cheap, our food costs are very low compared to some places. The reasons the Americans were and still are bitching is because they over produce massively and as a result prices are depressed below production costs. Farms are being forced out of business. Their answer is that they need a bigger market. American Imperialism at it's rawest.

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Very socialistic there Grizz...
Laizes Faire doesn't cut it either, as the Americans have found. In the old days, one reason major powers needed colonies was as an outlet for their surplus manufactured goods, the Yanks have picked us.

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Laizes Faire doesn't cut it either, as the Americans have found. In the old days, one reason major powers needed colonies was as an outlet for their surplus manufactured goods, the Yanks have picked us.

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Pretty miniscule pick. I'm sure their sights are set a little further out.
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Alright sorry don't have alot of time to lay out all the facts but I will lay out a couple.
First off Farmers and gov't do not set the price of the milk in the store. The store does that.
Now you can say that because the price is set for farmers in Canada that it then reflects to a higher price in the stores. However almost all empirical evidence contradicts that. Namely there are areas in the USA where farmers get paid the same and the milk may be cheaper in store, likewise there are farmers who get paid less in Australia and the price can be more.
As of 2014 Canada ranked somewhere around #50 for price of milk worldwide.
For the Gentleman who buys milk for $7 for 4 litres... yo crazy haha
Canada allows under supply management greater access to their dairy market than the USA does.
Many people tout that American milk is cheaper but forget that A:conversion rate and B:they pay for it through subsidies which are paid by collected taxes.
So either you pay at the pump or pay the gov't and he will use your money to "pay at the pump"
Virtually every country that has removed supply management has seen a decrease in their dairy industry, one outlier that is often touted is New Zealand which had a massive problem with their national economy when dairy went through a slump out there btw.
To my knowledge there has never been a country that after removing supply management has seen a decrease in the price of milk in the store, in fact most have seen an increase. While at the same time Almost every country that has removed supply management has seen a decrease in price to producer.
So where does this money go? To the processor ie Saputo (that's why they are pushing so hard to remove supply management).
As for pushing up land prices if you look up rural versus urban land prices they have risen at very similar rates over the years, implying not that dairy may be pushing up rural but rather a nationwide trend for all land. (some very local cases may be outliers)
Oh yes many of the European countries that had removed supply management have now implemented a crafty new approach that is basically supply management but under the label of manure management.
hmm what else was brought up? I will say I am not in the dairy industry myself however I am well versed in the global industry as a whole.
Also I am a capitalist at heart so a part of me doesn't like supply management, however I have studied the alternatives and they seem to be detrimental to producers and only beneficial to processors with no change to consumers.
The best solution I have been able to see is bringing in more competition for processors as in Canada there are basically 2 major players
Now if anyone has any factual evidence I am willing to listen, but I do not have the time to link all my sources so good luck googling.
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Quebec dairy farmers are the most militant support of Supply Management. Can you say Riot in the Streets ? Alberta oil workers have nothing like that.

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I would love to hear how paying artificially high prices for dairy products to support massive corporate farms who then drive up the price of land (both purchased and rented) benefits the majority of Canadians.

Supply management had it's place 50 years ago when farmers were taking a few cans of cream to town in the back of their pick up, but modern dairy farms can certainly compete in a laissez faire market.
Massive corporate farms? Majority of dairy farms are family farms. They may be incorporated like any company but that is primarily for tax purposes.
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Maple syrup is the same. Most of it says 'made in Canada' - no mention of quebek but 90% comes from quebek.
When they start to buy from AB I'll consider buying from quebek!
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Maple syrup is the same. Most of it says 'made in Canada' - no mention of quebek but 90% comes from quebek.
When they start to buy from AB I'll consider buying from quebek!
There was a guy charged with stealing 40 million dollars worth of maple syrup in Quebec. Turned out, in order to keep prices high, The syrup farmers were warehousing a huge surplus of the stuff. The man in charge of the warehouse, was doing the old add a little water to the booze and mom and dad wouldn't notice trick for a long time and it added up.

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