Marijuana

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by Browning Sharpsh00ter

For the people that think everything is LACED with coke or meth..cocain last time I heard was going for around $100 a gram. So to say that a street dealer is going to sell you a joint laced with cocain unknowingly is BS. Nothing is free, that 5 dollor joint if laced with cocain is now going to cost you whatever 20 dollors IE.

They are not lacing it with $100 a gram Coke, they are using '$5 is enough to kill you' home made crystal.

As far as no withdraws. Any regular user that claims this is not only an addict but a liar. They don't have the shakes, but their attention span is about a millimetre long and they have the personality of a rattle snake with PMS.

Many families have been destroyed because of it. Sure the guy is not beating his wife, but who wants to live with a space cadet every evening and a bitch every morning.

[mooseknuckle]

$100 a gram!! Dude your getting ripped off, half that.

[great white whaler]

He who sale saturated fats ,,should get 14 year in the slammer .

[FCLightning]

Originally Posted by great white whaler

He who sale saturated fats ,,should get 14 year in the slammer .

Pretty early in the day to be high isn't it?

[Gust]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

I don't think legalizing marijuana is going to make Canada the richest country in the world...

Not pot per se but interesting nonetheless;

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...case-for-hemp/

[Dust1n]

Originally Posted by FCLightning

Where is the applause button. Very well articulated insight.

x2

[great white whaler]

Originally Posted by FCLightning

Pretty early in the day to be high isn't it?

fast foods kills millions,,,,,i do a 5 minute burn ,just as the sun sinks in the west,,doctors orders.

[fluxcore]

Originally Posted by MK2750

They are not lacing it with $100 a gram Coke, they are using '$5 is enough to kill you' home made crystal.

As far as no withdraws. Any regular user that claims this is not only an addict but a liar. They don't have the shakes, but their attention span is about a millimetre long and they have the personality of a rattle snake with PMS.

Many families have been destroyed because of it. Sure the guy is not beating his wife, but who wants to live with a space cadet every evening and a bitch every morning.

WOW!!! I'm extremely sure the market for crystal is doing fine.........and the $5 meth there cooking up is a myth meth is meth an addict will pay by weight not quality. No one is slipping meth into pot meth is right up there with the price of coke. I'm a beer addict on the weekend I like a beer and the wife not so much she has a hoot and has done so for years. Not sure when she will run into the so called laced pot or when she will sercum to her addiction and become a full time addict

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You are psychologically very indicative of a typical peer pressure based argument I ran into in junior and high school...not so much in university. Interesting to note that.

The typical argument is since I am doing it so should you. By you convincing others you validate the behavior for yourself. It is an attempt at herd mentality and trying to create a uniformity in thought so that others conform to your belief. When you or someone is not so sure it is the right thing to do...human nature is designed to try and attract others to the same behavior to both validate and create a societal approval mechanism. You see this in crowds that turn into mobs and riots. People try and get others to join in before they themselves jump all the way in. Unfortunately...many people have not developed a great self of self worth and confidence in which to deflect this soft attack.

As such...while you as a drug user feels I am sad for not succumbing to your addictions and attempts at personal behavior and mental modifications...I understand and feel you pain and hope you eventually grow out of it before it is too late.

I sincerely hope all the children and young adults reading this thread realize and see the full scope of how drug users will try to convince you through various forms of peer pressure to use drugs. Anyone purporting to be your friend and won't take no for an answer...is not your friend. Run...don't walk away from them. You will find true friends. Remember above all...YOU and only YOU make decisions that are right for you and many follow you for the rest of your life. Don't take chances...stay off drugs! 99% of AOF members will agree!

Cheers

Sun

Kids...another way drug pushers and users will get you to "try" it "once" will be to smooth over the risks and tell you something else is just as dangerous or more dangerous than doing drugs. Alcohol is more dangerous. Driving is more dangerous. Over eating is more dangerous...so why not "try" it "once". BUT BEWARE!

You should be very leery of these people as their sole goal is to justify what they do or they themselves are selling.

Getting you hooked or addicted is always their goal. They are vocal...often trying to bully and hit you with as much peer pressure as possible. Often they do it in a crowd to make them feel stronger...hoping a few other druggies are going to join in. They will hope to belittle and embarrass you into trying it or giving up telling others not to try it. They are street smart and know what to say to trick the gullible or those lacking self confidence to say no.

Please use common sense. You are who you are and you don't need drugs to feel better. If something is troubling you, if you have anything that has happened to you to make you feel bad enough to think about trying drugs...don't do it and talk to a doctor, policeman, teacher or a parent or grandparent that is not a part of what made you feel bad to begin with.

The best thing you can do for your mental health is take charge of it and control your own destiny...don't let a drug dealer control you! Please pass this on to your friends!

[Toirtis]

Originally Posted by Spidey

Those who were heavy consumers of cannabis at age 18 were over 600% more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia over the next 15 years than those did not take it. (see diagram below). Experts estimate that between 8% and 13% of all schizophrenia cases are linked to marijuna / cannabis use during teen years.

Source: Cannabis and schizophrenia. A longitudinal study of Swedish conscripts, Lancet, 1987)

http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevent...reetdrugs.html

The problem with studies like these is that you cannot rule out cannabis use as a symptom rather than a causative.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Kids...another way drug pushers and users will get you to "try" it "once" will be to smooth over the risks and tell you something else is just as dangerous or more dangerous than doing drugs. Alcohol is more dangerous. Driving is more dangerous. Over eating is more dangerous...so why not "try" it "once". BUT BEWARE!

You should be very leery of these people as their sole goal is to justify what they do or they themselves are selling.

Getting you hooked or addicted is always their goal. They are vocal...often trying to bully and hit you with as much peer pressure as possible. Often they do it in a crowd to make them feel stronger...hoping a few other druggies are going to join in. They will hope to belittle and embarrass you into trying it or giving up telling others not to try it. They are street smart and know what to say to trick the gullible or those lacking self confidence to say no.

Please use common sense. You are who you are and you don't need drugs to feel better. If something is troubling you, if you have anything that has happened to you to make you feel bad enough to think about trying drugs...don't do it and talk to a doctor, policeman, teacher or a parent or grandparent that is not a part of what made you feel bad to begin with.

The best thing you can do for your mental health is take charge of it and control your own destiny...don't let a drug dealer control you! Please pass this on to your friends!

http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...166/story.html

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by fluxcore

WOW!!! I'm extremely sure the market for crystal is doing fine.........and the $5 meth there cooking up is a myth meth is meth an addict will pay by weight not quality. No one is slipping meth into pot meth is right up there with the price of coke. I'm a beer addict on the weekend I like a beer and the wife not so much she has a hoot and has done so for years. Not sure when she will run into the so called laced pot or when she will sercum to her addiction and become a full time addict

Believe what you want cause I don't care what you do. What they were adding I don't know and don't care. But I know for a fact that they are. They take garbage BC bush weed, spice it up and sell it as hydro.

I also know of several people that have had drugs slipped into their drinks in Red Deer bars just for kicks so I don't imagine it is all that pricey. One girl spent several weeks recovering. Pick up a news paper some time, there was a kid die just a month or two ago from laced and/or poorly made drugs.

If you want to trust your life to some back street hood-fill your boots.

[BeeGuy]

Absolutely, correlation and causation are a chronic problem for statisticians.

Marijuana is less addictive than fishing.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by MK2750

Believe what you want cause I don't care what you do. What they were adding I don't know and don't care. But I know for a fact that they are. They take garbage BC bush weed, spice it up and sell it as hydro.

I also know of several people that have had drugs slipped into their drinks in Red Deer bars just for kicks so I don't imagine it is all that pricey. One girl spent several weeks recovering. Pick up a news paper some time, there was a kid die just a month or two ago from laced and/or poorly made drugs.

If you want to trust your life to some back street hood-fill your boots.

That's too bad. If we removed the black market we could regulate these substances like alcohol and ensure the quality of those products.

Nothin you can add to Capt Morgan's to make it taste as good as Sailor Jerry's!

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Taco

http://www.calgaryherald.com/busines...166/story.html

Great post Taco.

This is important. Tens of thousands of people are getting murdered including thousands of people without any connection to the cartels.

The gov't and police are completely corrupt.

Industry is suffering due to regional instability.

If you support prohibition, you support organized crime.

[great white whaler]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Co...y/dolin1-e.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_po...he_Netherlands

http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidru...ent/myths.html

http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/09so.htm

Fact 9: Europe’s More Liberal Drug Policies Are Not the Right Model for America.

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Over the past decade, European drug policy has gone through some dramatic changes toward greater liberalization. The Netherlands, considered to have led the way in the liberalization of drug policy, is only one of a number of West European countries to relax penalties for marijuana possession. Now several European nations are looking to relax penalties on all drugs—including cocaine and heroin—as Portugal did in July 2001, when minor possession of all drugs was decriminalized.
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There is no uniform drug policy in Europe. Some countries have liberalized their laws, while others have instituted strict drug control policies. Which means that the so-called “European Model” is a misnomer. Like America, the various countries of Europe are looking for new ways to combat the worldwide problem of drug abuse.
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The Netherlands has led Europe in the liberalization of drug policy. “Coffee shops” began to emerge throughout the Netherlands in 1976, offering marijuana products for sale. Possession and sale of marijuana are not legal, but coffee shops are permitted to operate and sell marijuana under certain restrictions, including a limit of no more than 5 grams sold to a person at any one time, no alcohol or hard drugs, no minors, and no advertising. In the Netherlands, it is illegal to sell or possess marijuana products. So coffee shop operators must purchase their marijuana products from illegal drug trafficking organizations.
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Apparently, there has been some public dissatisfaction with the government’s policy. Recently the Dutch government began considering scaling back the quantity of marijuana available in coffee shops from 5 to 3 grams.
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Furthermore, drug abuse has increased in the Netherlands. From 1984 to 1996, marijuana use among 18-25 year olds in Holland increased twofold. Since legalization of marijuana, heroin addiction levels in Holland have tripled and perhaps even quadrupled by some estimates.
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The increasing use of marijuana is responsible for more than increased crime. It has widespread social implications as well. The head of Holland’s best-known drug abuse rehabilitation center has described what the new drug culture has created: The strong form of marijuana that most of the young people smoke, he says, produces “a chronically passive individual—someone who is lazy, who doesn’t want to take initiatives, doesn’t want to be active—the kid who’d prefer to lie in bed with a joint in the morning rather than getting up and doing something.”
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Lifetime Cannabis Use (in the Netherlands): 1984=15%, 1996=44%Marijuana is not the only illegal drug to find a home in the Netherlands. The club drug commonly referred to as Ecstasy (3, 4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine or MDMA) also has strong roots in the Netherlands. The majority of the world’s Ecstasy is produced in clandestine laboratories in the Netherlands and, to a lesser extent, Belgium.
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The growing Ecstasy problem in Europe, and the Netherlands’ pivotal role in Ecstasy production, has led the Dutch government to look once again to law enforcement. In May 2001, the government announced a “Five Year Offensive against the Production, Trade, and Consumption of Synthetic Drugs.” The offensive focuses on more cooperation among the enforcement agencies with the Unit Synthetic Drugs playing a pivotal role.
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Recognizing that the government needs to take firm action to deal with the increasing levels of addiction, in April 2001, the Dutch government established the Penal Care Facility for Addicts. Like American Drug Treatment Courts, this facility is designed to detain and treat addicts (of any drug) who repeatedly commit crimes and have failed voluntary treatment facilities. Offenders may be held in this facility for up to two years, during which time they will go through a three-phase program. The first phase focuses on detoxification, while the second and third phases focus on training for social reintegration.
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The United Kingdom has also experimented with the relaxation of drug laws. Until the mid-1960s, British physicians were allowed to prescribe heroin to certain classes of addicts. According to political scientist James Q. Wilson, “a youthful drug culture emerged with a demand for drugs far different from that of the older addicts.” Many addicts chose to boycott the program and continued to get their heroin from illicit drug distributors. The British Government’s experiment with controlled heroin distribution, says Wilson, resulted in, at a minimum, a 30-fold increase in the number of addicts in ten years.
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map of AmsterdamSwitzerland has some of the most liberal drug policies in Europe. In late 1980s, Zurich experimented with what became known as Needle Park, where addicts could openly purchase drugs and inject heroin without police intervention. Zurich became the hub for drug addicts across Europe, until the experiment was ended, and “Needle Park” was shut down.
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Many proponents of drug legalization or decriminalization claim that drug use will be reduced if drugs were legalized. However, history has not shown this assertion to be true. According to an October 2000 CNN report, marijuana, the illegal drug most often decriminalized, is “continuing to spread in the European Union, with one in five people across the 15-state bloc having tried it at least once.”
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photo-James Q. WilsonIt’s not just marijuana use that is increasing in Europe. According to the 2001 Annual Report on the State of the Drugs Problem in the European Union, there is a Europe-wide increase in cocaine use. The report also cites a new trend of mixing “base/crack” cocaine with tobacco in a joint at nightspots. With the increase in use, Europe is also seeing an increase in the number of drug users seeking treatment for cocaine use.
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Drug policy also has an impact on general crime. In a 2001 study, the British Home Office found violent crime and property crime increased in the late 1990s in every wealthy country except the United States.
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Not all of Europe has been swept up in the trend to liberalize drug laws. Sweden, Finland, and Greece have the strictest policies against drugs in Europe. Sweden’s zero-tolerance policy is widely supported within the country and among the various political parties. Drug use is relatively low in the Scandinavian countries.
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In April 1994, a number of European cities signed a resolution titled “European Cities Against Drugs,” commonly known as the Stockholm resolution. It states: “The demands to legalize illicit drugs should be seen against the background of current problems, which have led to a feeling of helplessness. For many, the only way to cope is to try to administer the current situation. But the answer does not lie in making harmful drugs more accessible, cheaper, and socially acceptable. Attempts to do this have not proved successful. By making them legal, society will signal that it has resigned to the acceptance of drug abuse. The signatories to this resolution therefore want to make their position clear by rejecting the proposals to legalize illicit drugs. ”

new study as found ,,,,,most people who don't smoke pot , is very up tight.

[fluxcore]

Originally Posted by MK2750

Believe what you want cause I don't care what you do. What they were adding I don't know and don't care. But I know for a fact that they are. They take garbage BC bush weed, spice it up and sell it as hydro.

I also know of several people that have had drugs slipped into their drinks in Red Deer bars just for kicks so I don't imagine it is all that pricey. One girl spent several weeks recovering. Pick up a news paper some time, there was a kid die just a month or two ago from laced and/or poorly made drugs.

If you want to trust your life to some back street hood-fill your boots.

I'm sorry I just don't see how laced marijuana can even be compared to something that has been slipped into a drink, were all aware of not leaving our drinks alone however I still to this day (red deer included) have heard of so called laced pot causing any sort of issue, kind of non existent. I'm not sure why people still insist of comparing pot to other illicit drugs, lack of knowledge I guess or to help support a false facts.

[great white whaler]

of to the park to watch the sunset

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You are psychologically very indicative of a typical peer pressure based argument I ran into in junior and high school...not so much in university. Interesting to note that.

The typical argument is since I am doing it so should you. By you convincing others you validate the behavior for yourself. It is an attempt at herd mentality and trying to create a uniformity in thought so that others conform to your belief. When you or someone is not so sure it is the right thing to do...human nature is designed to try and attract others to the same behavior to both validate and create a societal approval mechanism. You see this in crowds that turn into mobs and riots. People try and get others to join in before they themselves jump all the way in. Unfortunately...many people have not developed a great self of self worth and confidence in which to deflect this soft attack.

As such...while you as a drug user feels I am sad for not succumbing to your addictions and attempts at personal behavior and mental modifications...I understand and feel you pain and hope you eventually grow out of it before it is too late.

I sincerely hope all the children and young adults reading this thread realize and see the full scope of how drug users will try to convince you through various forms of peer pressure to use drugs. Anyone purporting to be your friend and won't take no for an answer...is not your friend. Run...don't walk away from them. You will find true friends. Remember above all...YOU and only YOU make decisions that are right for you and many follow you for the rest of your life. Don't take chances...stay off drugs! 99% of AOF members will agree!

Cheers

Sun

Very well said. I've seen what drugs do to people...even "just" pot. No way anyone can convince me it is a benign substance.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by great white whaler

new study as found ,,,,,most people who don't smoke pot , is very up tight.

We understand you are still trying to convince yourself it is okay...in time you will see how mistaken and misguided you are.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by mac_xi@hotmail.com

You sound like you come straight out of an after school special.

It would be amazing if everyone made the same choice as you. There wouldn't be crime, or drug dealers making money. The world would be perfect.

Where do you, someone who has never even tried a mind altering substance, get the idea that all of us pot smokers have made bad choices?

I enjoy pot, it dosent make me feel better about myself. When I am not stoned I actually am more confident. Smoking pot for me has opened up a part of my mind both creatively and spiritually.

I and a bunch of my like minded friends get together and enjoy it. Plain and simple. We don't try to convert or pass judgment on those who choose not to get high.

And just because we use drugs, dosent mean we all have issues. Does that mean because you made the choice not to smoke pot you are somehow a better person then us?? Because that's the way you sound. Unfortunately it's people with similar views as you that hold the law making power in western countries.

I've been using pot regularly for 14 years. I have an IQ in the 95%. I make hella good money, have two beautiful children and have a clean record. My life is amazing and I am happy. My kids are happy and my wife is happy. But with my outlook on life, my children will be more equipped to make rational, real life decisions based on my life experience. Not something I learned from a book or after school special. They might not make the decision I would like but it will be based on facts not fear mongering or judging from the outside.

And if my children do grow up to be "potheads" I would be perfectly fine. After all my life has turned out great.

Curious. How honest are you with your wife and her parents and your parents that you are an illegal drug user.

I would never let me kids play anywhere near your kids because kids are very smart and know way more then we often give them credit for. You are teaching them illegal drugs are okay and that...is very, very scary...and sad.

I wonder if it is the drugs that makes someone do something as foolish as writing on a public forum that they are an illegal drug user. You should hope you never get a divorce...because I guarantee you...you will regret what you have written.

[Spidey]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Absolutely, correlation and causation are a chronic problem for statisticians.

Marijuana is less addictive than fishing.

Last I checked, chronic fishing mid latency doesn't permanently alter brain chemistry. You need to know that kids in their teens are viewing these posts... And like I mentioned in my previouse post, pot is #3 in reported drugs of concern for adults and youth only behind alcohol and tobacco. We screen for over 20 addictive drugs on intake, so maybe you should consider reframing your statement to "Marijuana is less addictive than fishing for me".

I'm not a fan of upping the legal consequences of marijuana either. Personally I think this legal debate is driving use and talking about use underground as well as masking what some of the more serious consequences of THC use can be. The correlation and causation argument is weak (maybe had teeth 40 years ago) and modern research has tended to that. Either way, THC in the studies I reference is an irrefutabled variable any way you look at it.

[MrPuffyPants]

"Marijuana is less addictive than fishing."
Well played bee guy

The problem with this thread is that everyone is looking to make their own statement 'of fact' without applying a critical eye to their own opinions. Very few who are reading this, have any interest in examining their thoughts or researching the issue beyond what they hear their pals at Timmies say.

Way early in this thread I saw someone reference the movie "The Union" I recommend again that anyone who actually cares to look at the other side of the issue watch it.

Long live the spirit of people who research and form their own opinions. There are getting to be fewer and fewer out there.

[eastcoast]

mrpuffypants

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by MrPuffyPants

"Marijuana is less addictive than fishing."
Well played bee guy

The problem with this thread is that everyone is looking to make their own statement 'of fact' without applying a critical eye to their own opinions. Very few who are reading this, have any interest in examining their thoughts or researching the issue beyond what they hear their pals at Timmies say.

Way early in this thread I saw someone reference the movie "The Union" I recommend again that anyone who actually cares to look at the other side of the issue watch it.

Long live the spirit of people who research and form their own opinions. There are getting to be fewer and fewer out there.

Exactly. I did lots of reseach and have come to the correct conclusion that dope is harmful.

[Pocket Aces]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

We understand you are still trying to convince yourself it is okay...in time you will see how mistaken and misguided you are.

Lmao.

Sundance, for the last few pages, YOU have been the one, spewing your venom in a hateful way towards people who have different views than you. Convincing himself its ok? How about all your anti be-yourself posts you've typed up is really nothing but your own self ramblings of somebody with extremist views trying to convince themselves its wrong, reaching out hoping to get somebody to agree with you so you gain a greater level of self esteem. Were you lonely as a child? You seem to be really trying hard here to judge and critique peoples actions, almost like your searching for attention. I hope in the future, you gain the ability to realize you are who you are and putting people down who have different views will really do nothing but make you look like an a-hole on a public forum.

Go ahead Sundance, respond to my post in a hateful, belittleing way. Your strategy of spreading incorrect propoganda has been tried and failed long ago.

Notice the lamount of people ignoring you?

99% of people on this forum will agree with you? lol! Ok bud.

I hope one day, for your own health, you will open your head up to reality and the real world, and see the truth.

Have a good one.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Pocket Aces

Lmao.

Sundance, for the last few pages, YOU have been the one, spewing your venom in a hateful way towards people who have different views than you. Convincing himself its ok? How about all your anti be-yourself posts you've typed up is really nothing but your own self ramblings of somebody with extremist views trying to convince themselves its wrong, reaching out hoping to get somebody to agree with you so you gain a greater level of self esteem. Were you lonely as a child? You seem to be really trying hard here to judge and critique peoples actions, almost like your searching for attention. I hope in the future, you gain the ability to realize you are who you are and putting people down who have different views will really do nothing but make you look like an a-hole on a public forum.

Go ahead Sundance, respond to my post in a hateful, belittleing way. Your strategy of spreading incorrect propoganda has been tried and failed long ago.

Notice the lamount of people ignoring you?

99% of people on this forum will agree with you? lol! Ok bud.

I hope one day, for your own health, you will open your head up to reality and the real world, and see the truth.

Have a good one.

Well I am happy you felt compelled to stand up for the right to use illegal drugs. It is your own opinion that it is ok and clearly I think otherwise. I would not take the lack of other posters strongly condemning illegal drug use...most people just think you position is so ludicrous it is a waste of time to engage.

That being said... Clearly you personal attack on me is due to a few of my strong opinions. Please feel free to pm me to discuss. Is it my anti illegal drug stand? My anti poaching stand? My interest is looking for a quality trout fishery near Calgary?

My views do hold little tolerance for breaking laws, hurting families, harming kids and harming our fish and wildlife resources.

Please enlighten us which has you worked up so.

Sun (free to post like everyone else)

[cohod]

And around and around we go. I'm getting dizzy, who needs drugs With threads like this?


cohod

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by cohod

And around and around we go. I'm getting dizzy, who needs drugs With threads like this?


cohod

This is the funniest post so far!

[Pocket Aces]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Well I am happy you felt compelled to stand up for the right to use illegal drugs. It is your own opinion that it is ok and clearly I think otherwise. I would not take the lack of other posters strongly condemning illegal drug use...most people just think you position is so ludicrous it is a waste of time to engage.

That being said... Clearly you personal attack on me is due to a few of my strong opinions. Please feel free to pm me to discuss. Is it my anti illegal drug stand? My anti poaching stand? My interest is looking for a quality trout fishery near Calgary?

My views do hold little tolerance for breaking laws, hurting families, harming kids and harming our fish and wildlife resources.

Please enlighten us which has you worked up so.

Sun (free to post like everyone else)

The first sentance, yes I do stand up for the right for people to use marijuana and the right to see the truth.

Your next point, most people think my position is so ludacris its a waste of time to engage? Thats how I felt about you and your extremist views, until I finally decided to post a direct response to your belittling.

As for what most people think, show me the stats Sundance. Can you provide that for 'most people think my position is ludacris' or is that just an extreme thought you conjured up in your head? Last I checked, polls across Canada showed the majority (by landslides), wanted marijuana legalized and wanted the people to have more say. If you can not provide these stats that back up your statement, I WILL, and your next project will be trying to find a way to talk yourself out of that one since you seem to have a hard time admitting your wrong.

So Sundance, either your against marijuana because its bad, your against marijuana because its illegal, or both. Which is it? If tomorrow it was made legal, what would your argument now be? What would replace the line of "I dont support illegal drugs" with?

If it was honestly made legal, would you turn around and support it because its legal? Why or why not? What about if alcohol was made illegal? Would you now be on the side of anybody that has ever had a drink is missing something out of their lives and must be severely hurt souls ect ect because its illegal and therefor must be poison?

Do you support the gun registry? Its the law and apparently you dont support anything thats illegal because of your anti-illegal views, that would include owning guns without having them registered, so I would have to assume your answer would be you do indeed support the gun registry.? Why?

As for personally attacking you, wow. Wow sundance. I respond to your personal attack on other posters and you try to turn that on me making me look like I had you targetted? My post towards you, hardly a personal attack, was my opinion about your extremist views on cannabis use, which 99% of the forum will disagree with you on.

But now im starting to believe you have a serious ego problem considering the fact you brought poaching into this and something about a quality trout fishery? What the heck do those have to do with this thread? Other than making yourself seem better. Your very amazing sundance, I applaude your incredibleness.




"My views do hold little tolerance for breaking laws, hurting families, harming kids and harming our fish and wildlife resources."

No, your views support not researching for yourself, believing the government when they are wrong and lying to you, supporting organized crime, taking control of peoples lives, brainwashing kids and your views on harming out fish and wildlife I couldn't care less about as of now, as that is not what this thread is about.