Marijuana - Page 2

Sundancefisher · #31 09-21-2011, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pesky672

Jail isn't much of a deterrent.
People don't set out expecting to get caught so...this won't reduce crime only punish those that do crime and manage to get caught.

I'd rather see better deterrence like more money for policing. This would help us catch the baddies and be a better deternce because there would be an elevated expectation of getting caught.

Besides we are already number 2 for the number of people in jail...in the west.
Only the US has more.

Funny how the countries that seem to have the most people in jail and the least invested in prevention and rehabilitation...also have the highest crime rates...

Finally the war on drugs is about 40 years old now and we seem to still be losing...
Maybe a change in tactics is in order?
Especially with the softer stuff like pot... good Lord... it's the safest drug in the world including alcohol.

I thought the NDP is in mourning still...but since you ask...I want you two provide the crime rates and the number out of 100,000 citizens are in jail (population comparison factored in) for Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Nigeria, Congo, Afganistan, India...if you would be so kind. Your statement is fishy...

Sundancefisher · #32 09-21-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

I believe that the new crime bill addresses stiffer sentencing for sex offenders as well.

Now this is where they did not go far enough. Handguns could definitely find a place in the hands of a relative at the "special" sentencing.

Nait Hadya · #33 09-21-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyguitar

You gotta be joking me. I know way more douchebag drinkers than douchebag potheads. A lot of normal people smoke pot, they probably just don't tell you because of your attitude. If you believe in a free country then you wouldn't believe you should go to jail for growing what is only a plant.

Also, if you don't want to pay high taxes, then you wouldn't support turning normal people into criminals.

amazing how the human brain works. these normal people are pretty quick to point the finger at others who they percieve to be breaking the law if only to remove the focus from their own lawlessness.

Whiskey · #34 09-21-2011, 01:25 PM

I know that I would much rather have all my workers smoking pot then drinking...period.
The only people that believe that marijuana causes a problem are the ones that classify it in the same group as other drugs or the ones that never tryed it.

In my opinion make alcohol illegal and legalize marijuana, then we would have ALOT less crime and alcohol related deaths.

#35 09-21-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskey

I know that I would much rather have all my workers smoking pot then drinking...period.
The only people that believe that marijuana causes a problem are the ones that classify it in the same group as other drugs or the ones that never tryed it.

In my opinion make alcohol illegal and legalize marijuana, then we would have ALOT less crime and alcohol related deaths.

X2 Although food sales would probably rise as well as obesity

BeeGuy · #36 09-21-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nait Hadya

amazing how the human brain works. these normal people are pretty quick to point the finger at others who they percieve to be breaking the law if only to remove the focus from their own lawlessness.

your interpretation is flawed.

Providing an example of how things are related with the intention of identifying how legislation is in error, is far different than finger pointing about who is in the wrong.

It is amazing how the brain works.

It is amazing that anyone can be convicted of a victimless crime.

tommyguitar · #37 09-21-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

The normal people are not the criminals. The criminals are the drug dealers.

I know of normal people who grew cannabis while they were out of work to feed their families. They aren't criminals in my mind.

BeeGuy · #38 09-21-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BBBB

X2 Although food sales would probably rise as well as obesity

Obesity and pot use have an inverse relationship.

AndrewM · #39 09-21-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Obesity and pot use have an inverse relationship.

Same as smoking! I am pretty sure it was posted as a joke.

AndrewM · #40 09-21-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyguitar

I know of normal people who grew cannabis while they were out of work to feed their families. They aren't criminals in my mind.

The were engaging in criminal activity which means they are a criminal in mine. I do not see providing for the family as an excuse to do illegal activity. There are plenty of jobs around.

Nait Hadya · #41 09-21-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Now this is where they did not go far enough. Handguns could definitely find a place in the hands of a relative at the "special" sentencing.

one land,one law. such ramblings indicate your willingness to abandon the values we have protected as a country for a quick solution to one individual problem. criminal practices in the name of social justice should remain in their country of orgin and out of Canada.

#42 09-21-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Obesity and pot use have an inverse relationship.

I stand corrected......Can I have a bite of your hotdog??

BeeGuy · #43 09-21-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

The were engaging in criminal activity which means they are a criminal in mine. I do not see providing for the family as an excuse to do illegal activity. There are plenty of jobs around.

No victim, no crime.

Gust · #44 09-21-2011, 01:46 PM

14 years for a pot crime
vs
15 years for Karla Homulka

yeah that sounds right.

what is the sarcastic emoticon?

BeeGuy · #45 09-21-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BBBB

I stand corrected......Can I have a bite of your hotdog??

All I've got around the house are half empty bags of Ranch Doritos.

Help yourself!

tommyguitar · #46 09-21-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

The were engaging in criminal activity which means they are a criminal in mine. I do not see providing for the family as an excuse to do illegal activity. There are plenty of jobs around.

In this criminal activity no one was a victim, except the gov't who did not get to tax the sale. Times get tough, and I hope that you never run in to tough times yourself. There are many people out there who get laid off and are out of work for periods of time.

BeeGuy · #47 09-21-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nait Hadya

one land,one law. such ramblings indicate your willingness to abandon the values we have protected as a country for a quick solution to one individual problem. criminal practices in the name of social justice should remain in their country of orgin and out of Canada.

It's too bad our government has decided to import so many of those practices from America!

AndrewM · #48 09-21-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGuy

No victim, no crime.

There is definitely a vitim. I did not get a fair share of the profits!!!

Gust · #49 09-21-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

The were engaging in criminal activity which means they are a criminal in mine. I do not see providing for the family as an excuse to do illegal activity. There are plenty of jobs around.

I bet you have a poster of Robespierre above your bed

AndrewM · #50 09-21-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyguitar

In this criminal activity no one was a victim, except the gov't who did not get to tax the sale. Times get tough, and I hope that you never run in to tough times yourself. There are many people out there who get laid off and are out of work for periods of time.

So are jobless people justified to rob a bank as long as noone gets hurt?

BeeGuy · #51 09-21-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

There is definitely a vitim. I did not get a fair share of the profits!!!

You'll have to write your MP about that.

tommyguitar · #52 09-21-2011, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

So are jobless people justified to rob a bank as long as noone gets hurt?

Gust · #53 09-21-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGuy

You'll have to write your MP about that.

brilliant

AndrewM · #54 09-21-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GustavMahler

I bet you have a poster of Robespierre above your bed

No I have a painting.

BeeGuy · #55 09-21-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

So are jobless people justified to rob a bank as long as noone gets hurt?

The victim's are the bank, the shareholders, and their clients.

AndrewM · #56 09-21-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGuy

The victim's are the bank, the shareholders, and their clients.

And the victims of drug dealers are the people who they are selling the drugs to. I am speaking of any drug, not just marijuana.
What about the power and water companies and the neighbors that have to put up with a grow up beside their house? What about every tax paying citizen?

BeeGuy · #57 09-21-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

And the victims of drug dealers are the people who they are selling the drugs to. I am speaking of any drug, not just marijuana.
What about the power and water companies and the neighbors that have to put up with a grow up beside their house? What about every tax paying citizen?

Buyers are not victims because they are exercising freedom of choice among other things.

Is your doctor a criminal when he prescribes you drugs?

If you pay your water and power bill, there is no victim.

People have to put up with a grow-op? They can easily phone the police.

Tax paying citizens should write their MP!

One of Canada's largest markets is a black market. This is well known.

Our government has created this market through Anti-drug legislation. The market is an immediate response to prohibition. Other responses to these laws are organized syndicates which use the laws to their advantage to make enormous $$$$, as well corporate and political corruption.

If you hate hard drugs and drug dealers and gangsters and corruption and power theft etc etc.

Legalize. Because it's the only way to take the power back.

Supporting prohibition supports gangsters, crime, and corruption.

AndrewM · #58 09-21-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Buyers are not victims because they are exercising freedom of choice among other things.

Is your doctor a criminal when he prescribes you drugs?

If you pay your water and power bill, there is no victim.

People have to put up with a grow-op? They can easily phone the police.

Tax paying citizens should write their MP!

One of Canada's largest markets is a black market. This is well known.

Our government has created this market through Anti-drug legislation. The market is an immediate response to prohibition. Other responses to these laws are organized syndicates which use the laws to their advantage to make enormous $$$$, as well corporate and political corruption.

If you hate hard drugs and drug dealers and gangsters and corruption and power theft etc etc.

Legalize. Because it's the only way to take the power back.

Supporting prohibition supports gangsters, crime, and corruption.

I am sorry but I disagree completely with you. Using your logic the crystal meth drug dealers should have no punishment as the people using it are using it at their own "free" will.
Answer this:
If you see one of your kids (assuming you have kids) buying drugs would you only be mad at the kid or would you be PO'd at the person selling him the drugs?

Gust · #59 09-21-2011, 02:41 PM

B.C Hydro got flack for not reporting HUGE paid in full electric bills to enforcement,,, would you if you were netting $20,000 per month,, they said they were a utility and not the police nor fire department. So to correct things, they still get the 20 grand through a 3rd party accounts receivable partner, Equifax,, yes that equifax, the credit rating company.

Do you think a multi billion dollar industry doesn't share amongst the elected's? Harper is only doing the 14 year for pot crimes to penalise B.C for dumping the HST.

BeeGuy · #60 09-21-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AndrewM

I am sorry but I disagree completely with you. Using your logic the crystal meth drug dealers should have no punishment as the people using it are using it at their own "free" will.
Answer this:
If you seen one of your kids (assuming you have kids) buying drugs would you only be mad at the kid or would you be PO'd at the person selling him the drugs?

A quick google search tells me that meth can sell for $3000/oz.

It doesn't take a chemistry graduate to make that crap either.

We know that drug dealers are created by the market, and that arresting a drug dealer only makes a market open for another to take their place.

Remove the market, remove the drug dealer.

I would be very concerned if my kids were using meth-amphetamines. Either illicitly or those prescribed by their doctor.

As this thread is about marijuana, a non-toxic recreational drug with value as a pharmaceutical and agricultural commodity (fiber and food) it is not reasonable to exchange it with meth in an argument. Their only similarity is that they are both scheduled substances. This alone does not equate them.

My position as I have outlined it is not in support of drugs.

It is in support of responsible government, legislation amelioration, and removing billions of dollars from criminal enterprise.

Real criminals support prohibition because it [I]can[I] make them rich.