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The horse was actually part of this landscape as well.
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You really should have quit when you said you were going to.....this is not helping your cause....trust me...the source is bogus.
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You really should have quit when you said you were going to.....this is not helping your cause....trust me...the source is bogus.
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Please do tell,,how it is bogus.
been doing a lil reasearch since we last spoke, almost every game animal that is present in AB ,, has been reintroduced at some point, that would make them not Native because of the 10 or 12000 year gap in history. Atleast that is what some have said I do believe.
As per Site you say this would be bogus information?
Distribution and Habitat
Before 1492 wapiti are relatively rare in the fossil record, but rapidly grew in abundance after the demise of North America's human populations from Eurasian diseases and genocide. They reached their maximum geographic range well before 1800. By 1835, however, the wapiti had disappeared from their eastern range (Ontario and Québec) through over hunting. They were re-introduced into Ontario, where they are thriving. They went extinct in Alberta prior to 1913, but were reintroduced from Yellowstone National Park (in the central northwestern United States) by 1917. There are scattered populations east of the Rockies in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. They are found along the Rockies in British Columbia as well as on Vancouver Island and a small population introduced to the coast. A small introduced population is also found in Yukon.
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11-01-2012, 07:26 PM
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Please do tell,,how it is bogus.
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are we gonna re-do 5 more pages on what was already debated this afternoon? lol. (i hope so). entertaining stuff!
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11-01-2012, 07:28 PM
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LOL...I'll likely regret asking but what is this agenda at work? Do I need my tinfoil hat?
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I don't know. You made irrational arguments. Do you?
I assume you (again) don't want to address the inconsistencies in your argument that I summarized for you in Post #245?
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11-01-2012, 07:28 PM
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The horse was actually part of this landscape as well.
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Yea because being extirpated for 3yrs is the same as 10000yrs.
What a maroon.
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11-01-2012, 07:29 PM
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While we are at it about culling non native species.Lets open a big azz can of worms.What about TROUT?  |
Sure, why not. 
Are you speaking of rainbow trout, in particular?
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Please do tell,,how it is bogus.
been doing a lil reasearch since we last spoke, almost every game animal that is present in AB ,, has been reintroduced at some point,.
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name a few "game" animals.....besides wapiti....
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11-01-2012, 07:29 PM
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Yea because being extirpated for 3yrs is the same as 10000yrs.
What a maroon.
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Did you forget how to read?
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11-01-2012, 07:30 PM
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Please do tell,,how it is bogus.
been doing a lil reasearch since we last spoke, almost every game animal that is present in AB ,, has been reintroduced at some point, that would make them not Native because of the 10 or 12000 year gap in history. Atleast that is what some have said I do believe.
As per Site you say this would be bogus information?
Distribution and Habitat
Before 1492 wapiti are relatively rare in the fossil record, but rapidly grew in abundance after the demise of North America's human populations from Eurasian diseases and genocide. They reached their maximum geographic range well before 1800. By 1835, however, the wapiti had disappeared from their eastern range (Ontario and Québec) through over hunting. They were re-introduced into Ontario, where they are thriving. They went extinct in Alberta prior to 1913, but were reintroduced from Yellowstone National Park (in the central northwestern United States) by 1917. There are scattered populations east of the Rockies in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. They are found along the Rockies in British Columbia as well as on Vancouver Island and a small population introduced to the coast. A small introduced population is also found in Yukon.
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Elk have never been extinct in Alberta. Wooly mammoths, sabre tooth tigers and three toed horses yes...elk no.
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id like to see a lick of proof that the horses are destroying the mountains, other than in some ones head
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laughble,sitting in your lazyboy in eastern alberta saying feral horses are not doing any to the envoirment and demanding someone bring you proof your right. LMAO
I don't see your type out there during the winter when the evidence is plain as the nose on your face. perhaps you should venture out there and observe before you make emotional rants that are intended to mislead.
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Did you forget how to read?
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Sorry, 4yrs. My mistake. Makes all the difference.
Keep grasping at those strawmen.
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11-01-2012, 07:31 PM
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name a few "game" animals.....besides wapiti....
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Second the moose, posted the link as well, working on that link yet.
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Sure, why not.
Are you speaking of rainbow trout, in particular? |
Browns etc.
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11-01-2012, 07:32 PM
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Sorry, 4yrs. My mistake. Makes all the difference.
Keep grasping at those strawmen.
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I dont think your reading enough yet,, keep reading you will find it, the name calling helps your cause too doesnt it,, or does it make you feel better?
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11-01-2012, 07:34 PM
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I don't know. You made irrational arguments. Do you?
I assume you (again) don't want to address the inconsistencies in your argument that I summarized for you in Post #245?
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I haven't joined in lots of arguements...is there an asgenda behind all those too? LMAO Let's stick to feral horses, the topic of the thread and not help another massive derail. I know, it's hard to focus on one thing but concentrate.
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11-01-2012, 07:35 PM
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laughble,sitting in your lazyboy in eastern alberta saying feral horses are not doing any to the envoirment and demanding someone bring you proof your right. LMAO
I don't see your type out there during the winter when the evidence is plain as the nose on your face. perhaps you should venture out there and observe before you make emotional rants that are intended to mislead.
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You have zero clue how much time I have spent in the mountains, I lived in them for 20 Plus years, so give your head a shake. this is about facts and I found a bunch of interesting ones of reintroduced species that were extinct in this country.
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11-01-2012, 07:36 PM
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Right. Those, too.
I guess they've all gotta go, not being natural and all....
Off the top of my head, I think all we're left with are cutthroats and whitefish in the West Country. That sound about right?
ps: Jeez, I hope our walleye are native. I really like walleye and would hate to see them exterminated....
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I dont think your reading enough yet,, keep reading you will find it, the name calling helps your cause too doesnt it,, or does it make you feel better?
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God its hard to have a discussion with someone that's 3 posts behind everyone else.
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They were re-introduced into Ontario, where they are thriving. They went extinct in Alberta prior to 1913, but were reintroduced from Yellowstone National Park (in the central northwestern United States) by 1917.
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I guess the argument is made how much prior to 1913? Else where they talk about the 1830's but Alberta the number is 1913. Reintroduced in 1917. Yep 4yrs.
Keep grasping at those strawmen arguments.
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I haven't joined in lots of arguements...is there an asgenda behind all those too? LMAO Let's stick to feral horses, the topic of the thread and not help another massive derail. I know, it's hard to focus on one thing but concentrate.
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Is this thread really not about being selective of what we call native?
Who decides and when does it stop?
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Did someone say moose were "extict" at some point in Alberta? I didn't click the link but I would be very suspicious of that source...
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Second the moose, posted the link as well, working on that link yet.
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your link says nothing of moose being re introduced back into alberta.... hogwash.
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God its hard to have a discussion with someone that's 3 posts behind everyone else.
I guess the argument is made how much prior to 1913? Else where they talk about the 1830's but Alberta the number is 1913. Reintroduced in 1917. Yep 4yrs.
Keep grasping at those strawmen arguments.
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Please do a lil more research,,its quite interesting .
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I haven't joined in lots of arguements...is there an asgenda behind all those too? LMAO Let's stick to feral horses, the topic of the thread and not help another massive derail. I know, it's hard to focus on one thing but concentrate.
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Your problem is that I focus too much and we both know that. Your rationale flip flops depending on which thread you speak on.
If that's how it goes, then I see no point in any further debate with you. This is like arguing with my wife. I cannot win - by definition. It's in a Rule Book somewhere that I've never seen.........
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11-01-2012, 07:44 PM
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then I see no point in any further debate with you.
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Thank God!
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11-01-2012, 07:45 PM
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almost every game animal that is present in AB ,, has been reintroduced at some point,
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like?
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Is this thread really not about being selective of what we call native?
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There's the issue in a nutshell.
And if any species that is not "native" should be culled from the West County for that reason, all I can say to those who want to see it is: "Buckle Up"!
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Is this thread really not about being selective of what we call native?
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The definition is pretty well accepted scientifically.
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11-01-2012, 07:48 PM
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Please do a lil more research,,its quite interesting .
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Yer crappy links say nothing. Try again.
From your own links the extripation of elk in Alberta (if it even occurred) lasted for 4yrs. Compares really well with the 10,000yrs that horses where gone.
Maybe you should look up the strawman argument? Absurdity and hyperbole is all you have brought to the table.
Point of fact is these horses are feral livestock and should be treated as feral livestock. Try to take the romanticized vision of horses that you have and tone it down a bit.
If these were cattle I would say the same thing.
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Right. Those, too.
I guess they've all gotta go, not being natural and all....
Off the top of my head, I think all we're left with are cutthroats and whitefish in the West Country. That sound about right?
ps: Jeez, I hope our walleye are native. I really like walleye and would hate to see them exterminated.... |
Sounds about right.I'm sure someone will post if it's wrong.
I guess we are playing GODS of convenience?
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Sounds about right.I'm sure someone will post if it's wrong.
I guess we are playing GODS of convenience?
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Actually ESRD is making some attempts to remove non-native species that compete with native species....other than horses that is.
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