Calgary Herald - Guns taken by RCMP from High River Homes

[Kanonfodder]

Here Hal watch this carefully edited video for yourself.....note the cameras goes bye bye before the homes are breached

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature...ure%3Dyoutu.be

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

Here Hal watch this carefully edited video for yourself.....note the cameras goes bye bye before the homes are breached

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature...ure%3Dyoutu.be

seen it, but thanks,

[Kanonfodder]

Not a tin foil hat guy but wonder what the black case is?

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by MtnGiant

You just proved the point of the "Right to Bear Arms" arguement and a pro CCW arguement without even knowing it

Thanks for putting your foot in your mouth once again.

Right to bear arms ?? Where.
Are you suggesting that a ccw has any bearing in this case .notice how civil the people in our country handle the chaos of a natural disaster. In general folks are banding together and helping each in a time of need. we are a week into a clamity and not seeing the crumbling of the civility seen in our southern neighbor in similar times.
Fact: police and military have bias of the law in a state of emergency. You are "told" to leave you belongings and residence. Told, not suggested. During the duty of house to house inspections fire arms were encountered. These were secured . Thats it .no gestapo , no breach of liberty or rights. Duty =a task done as required .
Folks,when the sky is falling and around you the world crumbles men of duty are the hand you will reach for, they do not distinguish self in this duty for if they for a moment did they would be in the protection of their own .

[Sooner]

If the Rcmp had said we removed any firearms found that were out in the open, cataloged them to the residence and they are now in safe secure storage. All that is needed is proof of residence and the owners get them back. There would not be a uproar. Sounds like a little better PR might have done a world of good. Nothing like throwing fuel on an already huge fire in the minds of residents who cant go back to their homes. I hope that the firearms are returned just as easy as they were removed. Time will tell.

[CheeseBurger]

You really think the PMO knows accurately whether or not any CF entered a home? In such a fluid situation(pardon the pun) and with a chain of command miles long?

I don't know the facts either, like I said earlier - I'm just sharing info. But I certainly would not say someone is lying.

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Right to bear arms ?? Where.
Are you suggesting that a ccw has any bearing in this case .notice how civil the people in our country handle the chaos of a natural disaster. In general folks are banding together and helping each in a time of need. we are a week into a clamity and not seeing the crumbling of the civility seen in our southern neighbor in similar times.
Fact: police and military have bias of the law in a state of emergency. You are "told" to leave you belongings and residence. Told, not suggested. During the duty of house to house inspections fire arms were encountered. These were secured . Thats it .no gestapo , no breach of liberty or rights. Duty =a task done as required .
Folks,when the sky is falling and around you the world crumbles men of duty are the hand you will reach for, they do not distinguish self in this duty for if they for a moment did they would be in the protection of their own .

Wow....did you ever miss my point.

Kinda like shooting at a 1000yd target w/ a .22cal.

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by MtnGiant

Wow....did you ever miss my point.

Kinda like shooting a 1000yd target w/ a .22cal.

Why ? You cant lol .

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by fish gunner

Why ? You cant lol .

hahahahaha......not yet.....but I keep tryin

[Kanonfodder]

Originally Posted by hal53

seen it, but thanks,

Then listen really hard at about 1:41 and tell me what you hear on the radio

[just_dave]

Right before this frame, the guys are talking about one of them owning a TC.

I wonder what brought up that discussion?

Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

Not a tin foil hat guy but wonder what the black case is?

[Off in the Bushes]

This is starting to make me wonder if it is a test to see how people react in a real world crisis. Could it be a front line to testing to see how far the can push resident before they uprise. Is the government testing out its think tank theories on Canadains. Things are just not adding up.

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by Off in the Bushes

This is starting to make me wonder if it is a test to see how people react in a real world crisis. Could it be a front line to testing to see how far the can push resident before they uprise. Is the government testing out its think tank theories on Canadains. Things are just not adding up.

Interesting point

[huntsfurfish]

Ok I skipped the last 2 pages, but have to ask a question.

Why was this not done in Medicine Hat, or Calgary and other places and only in High River?

I always back the LE in 99.9% of issues. But not this!

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

Here Hal watch this carefully edited video for yourself.....note the cameras goes bye bye before the homes are breached

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature...ure%3Dyoutu.be

Who the **** is authorized to video the inside of someones home who I can only assume did not give permission to enter or video and then go ahead and publish it online for anyone to see?

Very unprofessional.

Published online by the 'townofhighriver'.

Checkin out yer crib since we got the powa Circa 2013.

[recce43]

in a state of emergency they do not need a warrant

Powers of Minister in emergency
19(1) On the making of the declaration and for the duration of the
state of emergency, the Minister may do all acts and take all
necessary proceedings including the following:
(a) put into operation an emergency plan or program;
RSA 2000
Section 19 Chapter E-6.8
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ACT
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(b) authorize or require a local authority to put into effect an
emergency plan or program for the municipality;
(c) acquire or utilize any real or personal property considered
necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an
emergency or disaster;
(d) authorize or require any qualified person to render aid of a
type the person is qualified to provide;
(e) control or prohibit travel to or from any area of Alberta;
(f) provide for the restoration of essential facilities and the
distribution of essential supplies and provide, maintain
and co-ordinate emergency medical, welfare and other
essential services in any part of Alberta;
(g) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of
livestock and personal property from any area of Alberta
that is or may be affected by a disaster and make
arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those
persons or livestock and of the personal property;
(h) authorize the entry into any building or on any land,
without warrant, by any person in the course of
implementing an emergency plan or program;
(i) cause the demolition or removal of any trees, structures or
crops if the demolition or removal is necessary or
appropriate in order to reach the scene of a disaster, or to
attempt to forestall its occurrence or to combat its
progress;
(j) procure or fix prices for food, clothing, fuel, equipment,
medical supplies, or other essential supplies and the use of
any property, services, resources or equipment within any
part of Alberta for the duration of the state of emergency;
(k) authorize the conscription of persons needed to meet an
emergency.
(2) As it relates to the acquisition of real property, subsection
(1)(c) does not apply to real property located within a national park
or an Indian reserve.
(3) If the Minister acquires or utilizes real or personal property
under subsection (1) or if any real or personal property is damaged
or destroyed due to an action of the Minister in preventing

[jungleboy]

So is this the first recorded case of looting during this disaster?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Who the **** is authorized to video the inside of someones home who I can only assume did not give permission to enter or video and then go ahead and publish it online for anyone to see?

Very unprofessional.

Published online by the 'townofhighriver'.

Checkin out yer crib since we got the powa Circa 2013.

We may disagree on some things Beeguy but I am with you 100% on this one!

LC

[mudbug]

There's a lot of hard questions that need to be answered by the people that are supposed to be in charge..........

[Kanonfodder]

Don't see the part where it says confiscate property

[sailor]

In my amature opinion in rcmp operations it could be as simple as fishgunner said or more complicated ad huntfurfish and some others noted.

[jbrow397]

Its plainly clear that there are some on this forum that have such a buggered up moral compass they could justify pretty much any action.

I do not care if it was lawful because we have an act, on a piece of paper. It was WRONG. Many times in history, there have been horrendous laws written into the books. With a warped enough mind, a person will justify anything to ensure their job has meaning.

Gun crime is almost inconsequential in this country, so;

Did the seize knives?

Medication?

fuel from garages?

cars?

The morally corrupt on this forum can keep telling themselves whatever they want. What was done was wrong, plain and simple. Authorities are proving themselves more and more irrelevant as time goes on.

This was not done in Calgary, with a much larger criminal element. Why? because city cops would get lynched for this. People would riot if they found out cops went door to door and kicked them in.

With the incompetent mayor and leadership in Highriver, and now this action by the RCMP I can bet you this entire town will learn to hate authority.

We were in Calgary homes, going door to door, ripping out drywall and carpet as soon as the water drained off the streets. There was no "prohibited entry for your safety". Calgary dropped the evac order as soon as CEMA trucks good drive down the streets.

We are 7 days in on Highriver and these idiots are going to cause peoples homes to be unrepairable with this wait time. Now, adding that every door was kicked in and firearms were stolen under the guise of safety.

I promise you that these people are going to remove their city council, and block RCMP from operating in their town. They will take city status and form their own police force from locals. Sun news will spin this as a RCMP and PC party screw up and the entire southern region of Alberta will be hoisting up the Wild Rose.

I hope that the RCMP top dogs that put this order through are stripped of their badge, charged and sentenced for this.

Its time we put some morality back into our society and stop allowing authorities to dictate what people can do.

Lastly, I will point this out: The RCMP, military, local police, by-law, any government agency are SERVANTS of the people, not the MASTERS.

The servants are going to find their services are no longer required if this crap keeps up.

Added: State of Emergency does not equal Marshal law

[recce43]

Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

Don't see the part where it says confiscate property

its there
(g) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of
livestock and personal property from any area of Alberta
that is or may be affected by a disaster and make
arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those
persons or livestock and of the personal property

I do not agree with what the rcmp are doing though

[mudbug]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

So is this the first recorded case of looting during this disaster?

Seems to be in that location

[fish gunner]

One quick question? is any other town still submerged or is kanons footage days old.

[HyperMOA]

If my house was breached I would complain about every scratch on my returned firearms and immediately ask where the other 4 missing ones are. I definitely at least had a .50BMG with $5000 worth of optics and a few others missing. "Oh you guys didn't remove that after breaking into my house? Well then when you left it unsecured someone else stole it."

[Kanonfodder]

Originally Posted by hal53

seen it, but thanks,

Originally Posted by recce43

its there
(g) cause the evacuation of persons and the removal of
livestock and personal property from any area of Alberta
that is or may be affected by a disaster and make
arrangements for the adequate care and protection of those
persons or livestock and of the personal property

I do not agree with what the rcmp are doing though

I read that to mean if they are evacuating you your livestock and your personal possessions they have to arrange adequate care.....that implies your property is leaving at the time you are not several days later it is removed

[Roughneck12]

Never invite the man into your space.
RCMP crossed a line. That video was out of line also.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by greylynx

That will be the story they use. All in the name of public safety.

Who cares about entering a private residence with no warrant. Public safety.

And the stupid will continue to believe this.

The RCMP and ARMY kicking down doors for public safety.

I guess that is ok, they will never come after me. I have nothing to hide. How Liberal.

Grey...

I just wish more folks had remembered that this has happened before... and that they had had enough time and presence of mind to take action.

Pretty tough though... with the water rising around you... families to think about.... you have to prioritize.

I feel for those folks.

Hopefully... the popo will be more reasonable than we fear.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

If my house was breached I would complain about every scratch on my returned firearms and immediately ask where the other 4 missing ones are. I definitely at least had a .50BMG with $5000 worth of optics and a few others missing. "Oh you guys didn't remove that after breaking into my house? Well then when you left it unsecured someone else stole it."

Might work....lol

In this case... weapons would have been secured.... I hope.
If not... thats another can of worms.
In a locked house... in a locked container.
The law says nothing about the need to keep em dry or for someone to be home.

IOW firearms were taken although the law had been satisfied by the owners to the extent that it is any of their darn business.

It would be different if the gun locker had burst and the darn things were strewn about in the open.
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