Calgary Herald - Guns taken by RCMP from High River Homes

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by jbrow397

Its plainly clear that there are some on this forum that have such a buggered up moral compass they could justify pretty much any action.

I do not care if it was lawful because we have an act, on a piece of paper. It was WRONG. Many times in history, there have been horrendous laws written into the books. With a warped enough mind, a person will justify anything to ensure their job has meaning.

Gun crime is almost inconsequential in this country, so;

Did the seize knives?

Medication?

fuel from garages?

cars?

The morally corrupt on this forum can keep telling themselves whatever they want. What was done was wrong, plain and simple. Authorities are proving themselves more and more irrelevant as time goes on.

This was not done in Calgary, with a much larger criminal element. Why? because city cops would get lynched for this. People would riot if they found out cops went door to door and kicked them in.

With the incompetent mayor and leadership in Highriver, and now this action by the RCMP I can bet you this entire town will learn to hate authority.

We were in Calgary homes, going door to door, ripping out drywall and carpet as soon as the water drained off the streets. There was no "prohibited entry for your safety". Calgary dropped the evac order as soon as CEMA trucks good drive down the streets.

We are 7 days in on Highriver and these idiots are going to cause peoples homes to be unrepairable with this wait time. Now, adding that every door was kicked in and firearms were stolen under the guise of safety.

I promise you that these people are going to remove their city council, and block RCMP from operating in their town. They will take city status and form their own police force from locals. Sun news will spin this as a RCMP and PC party screw up and the entire southern region of Alberta will be hoisting up the Wild Rose.

I hope that the RCMP top dogs that put this order through are stripped of their badge, charged and sentenced for this.

Its time we put some morality back into our society and stop allowing authorities to dictate what people can do.

Lastly, I will point this out: The RCMP, military, local police, by-law, any government agency are SERVANTS of the people, not the MASTERS.

The servants are going to find their services are no longer required if this crap keeps up.

Added: State of Emergency does not equal Marshal law

Be interesting to see how many friends those local cops have left when folks come home.

[Gust]

Did they take guns from the affluent area of the Elbow below Glenmore Dam? lotsa lawyers down there, prolly not.

[TheRealDeal]

Have not read all the posts on this thread so forgive me if this has been pointed out already:

Seems to me that a great many unrestricted gun owners will have no way to prove ownership (many, myself included, threw registration burning parties).

So when all these legal gun owners can't prove they own specific guns what do you all think the rcmp is going to say? (Along with every pro-registration anti-gun group).

This is only the beginning. Its going to get a lot worse.

[leeaspell]

Originally Posted by CheeseBurger

This is a quote from a CGN member that was there:

Quote Originally Posted by celtic1123 View Post
Hey guys, I was one of the soldiers that was there helping out the RCMP. I can tell you from the groups I worked with that only guns that were unlocked and not in a safe were taken. If guns were locked up and hidden away (aka someone couldn't grab and go) they were left in the residence. We only took firearms that were unlocked and in the open, and were even ordered not to actively look for guns. The ones we came across were handled with care (I tried to assure that as best I could, although the RCMP was doing quite a good job of it already) and marked with the address from where they were taken. So the proof of ownership would only have to be proof of residence and a PAL/RPAL. As for charges the Mounties I talked to (and made sure to ask this question), said that filing charges most likely would not occur. As they did have to essentially break in to get to the guns (or in most cases use a locksmith), however there were a few people that had loaded handguns stashed in their houses. . . those I think are more of a toss up on if there will be charges. But from the rank and file Mounties most of them (there at least) didn't like the idea of charging anyone.

As for the people wanting to get in to their residences. . . I can see where they are coming from. But at the same time I can tell you that there was significant damage to a lot of these homes. Several first responders actually fell through staircases and some structural collapse in areas. If people are let in to their homes and end up having the structure collapse on them there will be a huge uproar on why people were allowed back into unsafe structures.

EDIT- by stashed handguns I mean that they were sitting in the open, clearly visible. Not that they were hidden in a drawer, or anything like that.

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but if they weren't actively searching for guns, how did*they find these "stashed" loaded hand guns. Stashed, to me, means out of sight not laying on the kitchen table.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Have not read all the posts on this thread so forgive me if this has been pointed out already:

Seems to me that a great many unrestricted gun owners will have no way to prove ownership (many, myself included, threw registration burning parties).

So when all these legal gun owners can't prove they own specific guns what do you all think the rcmp is going to say? (Along with every pro-registration anti-gun group).

This is only the beginning. Its going to get a lot worse.

Well I just backed up a bit.
Seems they only took those thatw ere not secured and that a license and proof of residence will be all that is required... according to a fella that was there... helping the popo.

Still a pretty darn high handed though.

[shep dog]

If the firearms are returned, no harm done.

[HyperMOA]

The picture of that rifle case in the zodiac is a perfectly acceptable storage container even for restricted firearms as long as there was a lock on it. I didn't see a lock but most of the case is concealed.

[canadiantdi]

Originally Posted by shep dog

If the firearms are returned, no harm done.

So you can take something from someone without their consent, as long as you plan on returning it? We can't do it, they shouldn't do it. Who are they keeping safe by taking these guns?

[sourdough doug]

I haven't read all the previous posts but if it has not been mentioned yet, this is the same shiZ that occurred in Slave Lake, in the fire of 2011. Safes were broken into, contents removed, all kinds of things gone missing. The only people in town during this time was "essential service" people--- police and firemen. Everyone else was evacuated AFTER the fire had pretty much done it's thing.
I really feel for all the thousands of people affected by this disaster but I cannot watch what is on the tube cause it just rekindles (unintended) all the bad things that happened here plus all the wrongs that were done, the abuse of resources and the lack of accountability by just about every Gov't agency involved. The horror stories have just begun for those down south, while far too many in Slave are still living with theirs.
I see that the military is now returning, after helping out. I wonder if they will be sending an invoice to the cities and towns where they helped, just like the fire depts from Calgary and Edmonton sent to Slave Lake for some $10,000,000.00 plus ....?????

[wildbill]

What a joke, since when did they start paying cops to do B&Es with our tax payer money? We're in the middle of a major disaster and the rcmp have nothing better to do than steal guns? Wow! Could they have not done something productive with their time? I'm gonna go puke!

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

The picture of that rifle case in the zodiac is a perfectly acceptable storage container even for restricted firearms as long as there was a lock on it. I didn't see a lock but most of the case is concealed.

Technically...if the door to your house is locked and the firearm is out of plain view, it is stored correctly....no?

I have a "gun room" in my house that has an electronic keypad that only I know the combo to...it is considered legal storage even though it is an entire area/room in my home.....why would the entire home if locked not be consider a "container" for legal purposes?

Breaching a home using a battering ram....and finding firearms in a home under water....seems a bit sinister and excessive if they are only looking for people and pets....

LC

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by shep dog

If the firearms are returned, no harm done.

Not so fast.

That is pre-constitutional thinking.
In Canada now... there are all sorts of crimes commited that result in no harm... if you are just an ordinary citizen.

ESECIALLY when it comes to things like firearms.

I'd still write a couple letters and talk to a lawyer... whats good for the goose... is good for the guard...I mean gander.

I wouldn't let this go that easy... someone should still have to squirm a bit... no matter what.

[Kanonfodder]

Not to mention why are they passing up some homes and not others? At 141 on the vid you can hear the dispatcher talking about firearms and ammunition.....

[LuckyStrike]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/technol...340/story.html

Something has gone terribly wrong in our country.

While the police used to be people we trusted and respected, this is sadly no longer the case.

Canuckistan , you say? Well wake up and smell your freedoms drifting down the river.

If you live in High River, and have a Pal, no doubt your secure home was compromised by the authorities and searched. I wish you best of luck in getting back your possessions.

All in the name of Public Safety.

Seems to me that public safety may just be the new evil in Canada.

sad times we live in..........

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Kanonfodder

Not to mention why are they passing up some homes and not others? At 141 on the vid you can hear the dispatcher talking about firearms and ammunition.....

Wierd they would bring up ammunition....there is nothing tracking who has what ammo?....unless they are talking about the "powder registry"....makes me wonder how many of these folks whose homes were breached had only nonrestricted firearms...

...BECAUSE if those homes were singled out then the registry for the long guns is alive and well on some computer somewhere.

Just having a PAL does not mean you own firearms....having a RPAL even does not suggest that.

Someone is going to have to dig into the evidence....i can tell you if i was a home owner who only owned non-restricted firearms and it seems they went directly there to collect them I would be asking some pretty hard questions.

LC

[LuckyStrike]

-Calgary Sun article

HIGH RIVER – Oh yes. Temperature rising. Oh, is it rising.

Then we hear about the guns.

With tensions on the edge anyone with two bits of sense to rub together can’t imagine a worse thing to hear.

The Mounties scoop “a large quantity of firearms” from homes in the near ghost town of High River while the population is kept out under an evacuation order.

The guns are now in the local cop shop and can be picked up when the proof of ownership is produced.

Premier Redford defends the police as she stands Thursday afternoon in the Cargill plant north of this town of 13,000.

“I think what we need to understand is these are exceptional circumstances,” says the premier, adding the gun snatching move was talked about for other places.

“In an emergency situation we need to have our police ensuring there is law and order.”

Redford says she thinks in the fullness of time “we’ll find the system has run smoothly.”

“At the end of the day, when we’re through all of this, people are going to be able to return to exactly their life and deal with these issues through the RCMP.”

The premier says she’s sure individuals will have questions but “at the end of the day I want to remind people we are still in an emergency situation.”

“There are dangerous things happening. We want to make sure our officers, our sheriffs, our RCMP are protecting life and limb and protecting public order and that has to be the first priority.”

The word on the street, though not the High River streets which are empty, is some folks took their guns out of basement safes so they wouldn’t be damaged. Then they locked up their house.

The police and the army go in, search the houses and ... gee whiz ... they see the guns and take them out of the house the owner had to leave on orders of the government.

At this time, the authorities don’t contemplate any charges of unsafe storage at this time.

As we begin to digest that nugget, we hear about the 50 or so trying to get into the part of town where the houses don’t look bad at all.

The Mounties and the citizens standoff. Angry words are exchanged as they are the day before at the Highway 2 exit. A spike belt is put down.

Spike belts are seen at other locations.

After the toe-to-toe Wednesday between the mayor and severely steaming citizens, the press are escorted by RCMP Thursday into the town to talk to officials. They say it is for our safety. We laugh.

It is the one place the people of High River cannot go.

The High River residents vow to try to walk into town Friday.

Then we hear from the Mounties about three people under cover of darkness breaching the police perimeter. They want to go home.

The trio are intercepted, arrested, detained and removed. Charges are possible.

The Mounties tell us they now have 160 officers in this town and have “created a security envelope around the community.”

Rick Fraser, the province’s point man in High River calls for people to play nice.

“These citizens who are at the rodaway, presumably leaders in the community, I plead to them, lead the community and help support the mayor and help support the people on the ground to get this job done.”

Fraser says if they don’t behave it takes away “from creating more plans and a long-term strategy of getting everybody in their homes back in High River.”

Besides, says Fraser, he hears from High River residents who are applauding the authorities.

Interesting words from Fraser. He says they wouldn’t want to have people come back and then have to evacuate again because “perhaps we can’t get them to leave this time.”

Meanwhile, we hear it’s a gong show with High River residents trying to get those $1,250 debit cards to help with expenses.

On Friday, the province plans to unveil a re-entry plan for some residents of High River.

Redford is confident the plan will help get this fear and loathing under control.

Meanwhile, just so you know, for those not allowed back to High River as quickly as others, they can enjoy government accommodation in Lethbridge, far, far away from any police perimeter.

Emile Blokland, High River’s embattled mayor, believes the town will come back together again.

Not this day.

Messages flood into this columnist’s inbox. It’s back to the guns.

“This is a total invasion of people’s privacy,” says one message.

“Meanwhile my house is rotting, full of stinking water.”

rick.bell@sunmedia.ca

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

Not so fast.

That is pre-constitutional thinking.
In Canada now... there are all sorts of crimes commited that result in no harm... if you are just an ordinary citizen.

ESECIALLY when it comes to things like firearms.

I'd still write a couple letters and talk to a lawyer... whats good for the goose... is good for the guard...I mean gander.

I wouldn't let this go that easy... someone should still have to squirm a bit... no matter what.

What's the benefit of having someone "squirm?"

Under a state of emergency, some laws can be temporarily suspended.

[DiabeticKripple]

I'm not one to usually comment on gun threads and haven't read this whole thread....


But this is plain theft. Just because the rifles were unattended doesn't give the police the right to take them from the residences. I hope someone is fired over this.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Technically...if the door to your house is locked and the firearm is out of plain view, it is stored correctly....no?

I have a "gun room" in my house that has an electronic keypad that only I know the combo to...it is considered legal storage even though it is an entire area/room in my home.....why would the entire home if locked not be consider a "container" for legal purposes?

Breaching a home using a battering ram....and finding firearms in a home under water....seems a bit sinister and excessive if they are only looking for people and pets....

LC

I am not disagreeing with you, but I believe the storage laws state that a restricted weapon within your home must have a trigger lock and in an opaque locked case. As for your "gun room" to get proper "certification" it requires tamper-proof hinges, as your front door does not require these hinges, the government might say that your front door does not meet the requirements. Once again, and I can't stress this enough, I don't agree with it, just my understanding of the situation. As for non restricts, the storage laws are less restrictive. I also believe that a bolt removed from a rifle can sit on a kitchen table and still be considered safely stored.

[BeeGuy]

Oh Boy

Looks like Ali just made this that much worse.

In an emergency situation we need to have our police ensuring there is law and order.

protecting public order

You bet your ass this is a test run.

[BeeGuy]

We need Alex Jones in High River with a Mega Phone

STAT!

[Smokey]

I wonder if the mayors got the cahoonas to enter High River again. He's better to resign his post and send in someone else to remove his belonging and clean up his house.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by shep dog

What's the benefit of having someone "squirm?"

Under a state of emergency, some laws can be temporarily suspended.

Yes but what laws and on whose authority?
Besides... the "emergency" had passed really hadn't it?

Its not like they were in there rescueing people or guns by then...were they?.

The benefit of taking your rights out for a walk is that when you flex that muscle... the "authorities" are reminded who put em there and who can remove em.

Democracy begins to die as soon as government stops fearing the people.

Having read Redfords comments... I'm pretty sure that the PVC's just lost a few more seats.
That makes me happy.
She should talk more about civil rights and firearms.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

I am not disagreeing with you, but I believe the storage laws state that a restricted weapon within your home must have a trigger lock and in an opaque locked case. As for your "gun room" to get proper "certification" it requires tamper-proof hinges, as your front door does not require these hinges, the government might say that your front door does not meet the requirements. Once again, and I can't stress this enough, I don't agree with it, just my understanding of the situation. As for non restricts, the storage laws are less restrictive. I also believe that a bolt removed from a rifle can sit on a kitchen table and still be considered safely stored.

For restricted I agree....for non restricted a locked door is good....trigger locks actually never are required to be on a non-restricted firearm if you meet other criteria.

Taken from the CFC website....http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...posage-eng.htm

Displaying Firearms Safely
Unload and lock your firearms!

Here are the rules for displaying firearms in your home: Ammunition cannot be displayed with, or accessible to, the firearms.

Non-restricted firearms
•Attach secure locking devices to the firearms; or
•Lock the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into.

Restricted and prohibited firearms
•Attach secure locking devices to the firearms; and
•Securely attach them to something that cannot be moved.
•For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.
Some rules may be different for firearms displayed away from home – for example, at a gun show. Contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) for more information.

For the record....my restricted firearms are behind the keypadded door in a locked case within a safe.

LC

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Technically...if the door to your house is locked and the firearm is out of plain view, it is stored correctly....no?

I have a "gun room" in my house that has an electronic keypad that only I know the combo to...it is considered legal storage even though it is an entire area/room in my home.....why would the entire home if locked not be consider a "container" for legal purposes?

Breaching a home using a battering ram....and finding firearms in a home under water....seems a bit sinister and excessive if they are only looking for people and pets....

LC

Its gotta be 6969 or 5150.

Did I guess right?
Do I get a prize?

Is it a PONY?!!!!?


Oh...please please let it be a PONY!!!!!!

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

Its gotta be 6969 or 5150.

.....geeze, now I gotta figure out how to reprogram that gall darned thing.....

LC

[vcmm]

This is why the COW is called the RED DEVIL

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

.....geeze, now I gotta figure out how to reprogram that gall darned thing.....

LC

Sweet.

I'm gonna name my new pony..... FLASH... or Trixie if its a girl pony

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by vcmm

This is why the COW is called the RED DEVIL

Ok... just lost me there....

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by big daddy badger

ok... Just lost me there....

redford....