Calgary Herald - Guns taken by RCMP from High River Homes

[Kanonfodder]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

For restricted I agree....for non restricted a locked door is good....trigger locks actually never are required to be on a non-restricted firearm if you meet other criteria.

Taken from the CFC website....http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...posage-eng.htm

Displaying Firearms Safely
Unload and lock your firearms!

Here are the rules for displaying firearms in your home: Ammunition cannot be displayed with, or accessible to, the firearms.

Non-restricted firearms
•Attach secure locking devices to the firearms; or
•Lock the firearms in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into.

Restricted and prohibited firearms
•Attach secure locking devices to the firearms; and
•Securely attach them to something that cannot be moved.
•For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into.
Some rules may be different for firearms displayed away from home – for example, at a gun show. Contact the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) for more information.

For the record....my restricted firearms are behind the keypadded door in a locked case within a safe.

LC

Looks secured now

[BeeGuy]

Ther gunna tak er gerns. . .

Ther gunna tak er Gerns. . .

Ther Gunna Tak Er Gerns. . .

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HOLY ^*%# THEY TOOK OUR !@#$%^ GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Redford:

In an emergency situation we need to have our police ensuring there is law and order.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by vcmm

redford....

Ok... a bit slow on the uptake there.

Yes indeed... an uncanny resemblance.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Ther gunna tak er gerns. . .

Ther gunna tak er Gerns. . .

Ther Gunna Tak Er Gerns. . .

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HOLY ^*%# THEY TOOK OUR !@#$%^ GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Redford:

Oh BEE-HAVE!

You know they would if they could.

Fact is it probably rolled out like this.

What about thieves and looters?
Oh... there are guns in some of those homes.

Hmmm... well... whats easier... gather up the guns or traversing flood water at night trying to find looters?

I didn't bring my thermos... my boots leak and who will make the donut runs if I'm in a boat... at night...in the rain?
Besides... I have a skin condition and promised my missus that I'd stay dry and be careful.
Also... we rented some movies....

Good point...lets go get them guns.

Just like people do everywhere... they morphed a potential problem into an immediate and real problem then undertook the decission that required the least amount of imagination or effort.

[1000yards]

They just didnt want all the angry citizens that refused to leave to have access to weapons,
Because lord knows we are only allowed opinions when the state of emergency isnt declared

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

Yes but what laws and on whose authority?
Besides... the "emergency" had passed really hadn't it?

Its not like they were in there rescueing people or guns by then...were they?.

The benefit of taking your rights out for a walk is that when you flex that muscle... the "authorities" are reminded who put em there and who can remove em.

Democracy begins to die as soon as government stops fearing the people.

Having read Redfords comments... I'm pretty sure that the PVC's just lost a few more seats.
That makes me happy.
She should talk more about civil rights and firearms.

Namely, provisions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, based on the authority of the fed/prov/muni governments. The state of emergency still exists.

Only the RCMP know why they removed the firearms. Anyone else who claims to is speculating, nothing more.

[ganderblaster]

Nice 4th post shep! The all knowing omnipotent cops are always right aren't they. Ah what would be safer than them stealing guns!?

[canadiantdi]

Originally Posted by shep dog

Namely, provisions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, based on the authority of the fed/prov/muni governments. The state of emergency still exists.

Only the RCMP know why they removed the firearms. Anyone else who claims to is speculating, nothing more.

Flooded homes, better confiscate. Bend over shep dog... as long as the police know why they did it, that's good enough... ask for lube at least

[shep dog]

The RCMP didn't steal or confiscate anything.

[IR_mike]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Ther gunna tak er gerns. . .

Ther gunna tak er Gerns. . .

Ther Gunna Tak Er Gerns. . .

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HOLY ^*%# THEY TOOK OUR !@#$%^ GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Redford:

In a nutshell..............yup.

[220swifty]

Originally Posted by shep dog

The RCMP didn't steal or confiscate anything.

So if I come into you're home, while it is vacant, and take something of vàlue, that's obvious theft.

If I leave my phone number, and a note telling you I will give it back as soon as you prove to me it was yours, that makes it different? How?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by shep dog

The RCMP didn't steal or confiscate anything.

So you are saying they did not remove any firearms from any homes? And the reports and admissions by the police are incorrect?

LC

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by 220swifty

So if I come into you're home, while it is vacant, and take something of vàlue, that's obvious theft.

If I leave my phone number, and a note telling you I will give it back as soon as you prove to me it was yours, that makes it different? How?

Yes, unless you're a police officer and legally entitled to do so. Your phone number and note would make no difference.

[jzz30tt]

Originally Posted by shep dog

Yes, unless you're a police officer and legally entitled to do so. Your phone number and note would make no difference.

Police officers are not legally entitled to do so. It is theft pure and simple.

[KWO]

Originally Posted by jzz30tt

Police officers are not legally entitled to do so. It is theft pure and simple.

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[shep dog]

Originally Posted by jzz30tt

Police officers are not legally entitled to do so. It is theft pure and simple.

Under the circumstances (a state of emergency), the RCMP likely did nothing illegal. Why would they? Do they have a hidden agend to "steal" guns from law-abaiding citizens?

What do they have to gain from that? Nothing that I can think of.

[jzz30tt]

Originally Posted by shep dog

Under the circumstances (a state of emergency), the RCMP likely did nothing illegal. Why would they? Do they have a hidden agend to "steal" guns from law-abaiding citizens?

What do they have to gain from that? Nothing that I can think of.

State of emergency has nothing to do with seizure requirements. The clause most people are throwing around has nothing to do with this scenario and is related to the moving of things like livestock.

Once again, the police officers have absolutely no right to do what they did and have B&E'd on film as well as showing citizen's homes publicly without consent. They have also illegally searched and seized personal property.

It is not right and cannot be accepted. Theft is still theft no matter who does it or whatever badge they hold. There is no justification for what was done at all.

Using the state of emergency excuse is where many a war-crime began. People including the police are extremely apt at excusing their own actions rather than being accountable and taking responsibility for their wrong doing. They ought to, as well, set an example of proper leadership in a time like this. The only leadership they are providing is that might is right and that people rarely push back when pushed.

[shep dog]

Originally Posted by jzz30tt

State of emergency has nothing to do with seizure requirements. The clause most people are throwing around has nothing to do with this scenario and is related to the moving of things like livestock.

Once again, the police officers have absolutely no right to do what they did and have B&E'd on film as well as showing citizen's homes publicly without consent. They have also illegally searched and seized personal property.

It is not right and cannot be accepted. Theft is still theft no matter who does it or whatever badge they hold. There is no justification for what was done at all.

Using the state of emergency excuse is where many a war-crime began. People including the police are extremely apt at excusing their own actions rather than being accountable and taking responsibility for their wrong doing. They ought to, as well, set an example of proper leadership in a time like this. The only leadership they are providing is that might is right and that people rarely push back when pushed.

This sounds like a judgement from a court of law, but it isn't. Remember, the phrase "presumed innocent until proven guilty" applies to police officers.

You might not like or agree with what the RCMP may or may not have done, but that doesn't make it illegal.

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by shep dog

This sounds like a judgement from a court of law, but it isn't. Remember, the phrase "presumed innocent until proven guilty" applies to police officers.

You might not like or agree with what the RCMP may or may not have done, but that doesn't make it illegal.

It is illegal.

Where is the warrant to search for and confiscate guns?

If you are looking for trapped civvies, you cannot go on a 'fishing' expedition. For firearms or drugs.

I wonder if it wasn't as random as searching for people in town with a firearms license and booting in the doors of ONLY those residences

[jzz30tt]

Originally Posted by shep dog

This sounds like a judgement from a court of law, but it isn't. Remember, the phrase "presumed innocent until proven guilty" applies to police officers.

You might not like or agree with what the RCMP may or may not have done, but that doesn't make it illegal.

You seem to be forgetting that the police are not only bound by the laws that govern citizens but also by further jurisdiction regarding unlawful search and seizure. There was no justification for the actions that were taken as admitted publicly by the police service. They blatantly infringed on the rights that we hold against search and seizure. This isn't a case where they deny doing it or even claim anything that nears ample or adequate reason or justification.

Once again, Illegal not to mention high handed and disrespectful. Shameful and wrong.

[Rod1960]

HIGH RIVER, Alta. - Oh, yes. Temperature rising. Oh, is it rising.

Then we hear about the guns.

With tensions on the edge anyone with two bits of sense to rub together can't imagine a worse thing to hear.

The Mounties scoop "a large quantity of firearms" from homes in the near ghost town of High River while the population is kept out under an evacuation order.

The guns are now in the local cop shop and can be picked up when the proof of ownership is produced.

Premier Alison Redford defends the police as she stands Thursday afternoon in the Cargill plant north of this town of 13,000.

"I think what we need to understand is these are exceptional circumstances," says the premier, adding the gun-snatching move was talked about for other places.

"In an emergency situation we need to have our police ensuring there is law and order."

Redford says she thinks in the fullness of time "we'll find the system has run smoothly."

"At the end of the day, when we're through all of this, people are going to be able to return to exactly their life and deal with these issues through the RCMP."

The premier says she's sure individuals will have questions but "at the end of the day I want to remind people we are still in an emergency situation.

"There are dangerous things happening. We want to make sure our officers, our sheriffs, our RCMP are protecting life and limb and protecting public order and that has to be the first priority."

The word on the street, though not the High River streets which are empty, is some folks took their guns out of basement safes so they wouldn't be damaged. Then they locked up their house.

The police and the army go in, search the houses and ... gee whiz ... they see the guns and take them out of the house the owner had to leave on orders of the government.

At this time, the authorities don't contemplate any charges of unsafe storage.

As we begin to digest that nugget, we hear about the 50 or so trying to get into the part of town where the houses don't look bad at all.

The Mounties and the citizens standoff. Angry words are exchanged as they are the day before at the Highway 2 exit. A spike belt is put down.

Spike belts are seen at other locations.

After the toe-to-toe Wednesday between the mayor and severely steaming citizens, the press are escorted by RCMP Thursday into the town to talk to officials. They say it is for our safety. We laugh.

It is the one place the people of High River cannot go.

The High River residents vow to try to walk into town Friday.

Then we hear from the Mounties about three people under cover of darkness breaching the police perimeter. They want to go home.

The trio are intercepted, arrested, detained and removed. Charges are possible.

The Mounties tell us they now have 160 officers in this town and have "created a security envelope around the community."

Rick Fraser, the province's point man in High River, calls for people to play nice.

"These citizens who are at the rodaway, presumably leaders in the community, I plead to them, lead the community and help support the mayor and help support the people on the ground to get this job done."

Fraser says if they don't behave it takes away "from creating more plans and a long-term strategy of getting everybody in their homes back in High River."

Besides, says Fraser, he hears from High River residents who are applauding the authorities.

Interesting words from Fraser. He says they wouldn't want to have people come back and then have to evacuate again because "perhaps we can't get them to leave this time."

Meanwhile, we hear it's a gong show with High River residents trying to get those $1,250 debit cards to help with expenses.

On Friday, the province plans to unveil a re-entry plan for some residents of High River.

Redford is confident the plan will help get this fear and loathing under control.

Meanwhile, just so you know, for those not allowed back to High River as quickly as others, they can enjoy government accommodation in Lethbridge, far, far away from any police perimeter.

Emile Blokland, High River's embattled mayor, believes the town will come back together again.

Not this day.

Messages flood into this columnist's inbox. It's back to the guns.

"This is a total invasion of people's privacy," says one message.

"Meanwhile my house is rotting, full of stinking water."

rick.bell@sunmedia.ca

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/28...acuees-homes-2

Premier Redfraud says it's okay, so it must be. Uh huh.....

[popgunn]

Having experienced how well RCMP document firearms (3 Whereabouts unknown with CSIS) residence should go to the "secure storage area" and obtain a receipt for their firearms. And you gotta know they will not be treating your firearms with the same care you would, more like an arm full of firewood. If they can expend the manpower to keep a towns residence from returning to their homes, break into their homes to take their property why couldn't they keep looters from doing the same.

Best wishes to the residence of High River
You Didn't need this additional burden heaped upon you as you try to put your lives back together.

[Hagalaz]

The RCMP just keep stepping in it again and again. I guess they really are trying to make the public lose what little faith they still have in them. Time to get a provincial police force & get rid of the RCMP, they are more trouble than they are worth.

So the police just took firearms, or that is at least what they are claiming. I wonder how many residents will discover other items missing from their homes? What's stopping the RCMP involved from helping themselves to other items they come across? It would be the resident's word against theirs, & we all know the RCMP are hardly ever called to account for any wrongdoing that they choose to commit.

I hope the RCMP in High River realize that they just lost a significant number of possible friends & allies with this clear act of theft.

[Wilbur1005]

That will learn us gun hugging, rural, red necked, hicks a lesson or two won't it now. Why tar-nation to Betsey we need more police!! Ya don't say whoa in a mud hole.

[gitrdun]

Yesterday after my failed attempt to travel to north Calgary (bridge closures) I returned home. I can by-pass High River by going south to 594 Ave and then west to home. But I stopped at the overpass check point on south end of town and had a chat with an RCMP officer out of Ft. McMurrary.

He informed me that firearms had been removed from some homes in High River, one was cleaned out of 60 firearms. I asked if they were going to be returned to their rightful owners and he commented that they certainly would providing legal ownership. I then asked how were they ensuring that they would be traced to their rightful owner. This is were it gets a little odd......He claimed that they would use the LGR data to reconnect the firearms to owners. What?.....the LGR is dead, the data should not even be in your hands. Yes it is he added. Right.....how current do you think that this information is? He changed topic.

Another disturbing fact is that a good friend and hunting partner stayed in town in order to assure that his firearm inventory did not fall into the wrong hands. His house was not affected, I kept in touch through cell phone and texting more than once daily. In fact, he asked that I apply for his hunting draws, which I did. As of yesterday, he went quiet, I cannot contact him, all of my texts are unanswered. He DID have power at his house, so his phone could be charged, and I know he has other means of charging his phone. The quiet sure has me concerned for him.

[HyperMOA]

If the RCMP are using the grounds of public safety to allow them to seize weapons; wouldn't there have to actually be a public present to use this stance? I mean if nobody is present, what danger to the public is there?

[bigbore375]

This is another great reason all Canadian firearms owners should join the NFA.
We need a much louder voice!

Speaking of NFA does anyone know if they have been contacted in regard to this matter?

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by bigbore375

This is another great reason all Canadian firearms owners should join the NFA.
We need a much louder voice!

Speaking of NFA does anyone know if they have been contacted in regard to this matter?

Good point, but I don't know if they have. I am a member, and I will get on that pronto.

[220swifty]

CSSA sent out a mass email regarding this yesterday.

[6.5swedeforelk]

News flash.... PM Harper orders rcmp (non-caps deliberate) to stop taking firearms from High River homes.

What are the chances of them obeying???0


Heard on cbc (" ") radio news this am.