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And some don't even watch old westerns , they just make crap up.
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12-22-2013, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ray284
If you are a trapper, Photographer or any job that requires you to be on your own in the bush you can take a test and obtain a permit for concealed carry while you are working.I have not heard of any trouble arising from this or anyone having to use a handgun for protection from any animal
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We are all photographers here.Could you be so kind to advise if we have to be professional photographers to apply for concealed carry?
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12-22-2013, 09:15 PM
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As a bow hunter and a fisherman I would feel better if I and my family were allowed to carry a firearm. Also in Montana they have open carry, I go there quite a bit and still have NEVER seen a sidearm on the street. The whole argument about the carrying of a firearm will create crime is a rouse by the left.
P.S. I am number 700 on the list just to give you a update on the count.
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12-22-2013, 09:16 PM
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I couldn't even bother trying to do the math on how many a day that would be! 
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I saw 5 grizzlys over a 4 hour period in Kananaskis, then saw 3 the next day, and 2 on my way home the day after that. I don't hunt, and rarely am in the bush for fishing, so I'm not sure why it seems so far fetched?
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12-22-2013, 09:16 PM
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If it gives hunters and trappers easier access to sidearms I don't have a problem with that. If it allows inner city youth and criminals to carry then I'm against it.
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OK....finally I agree with you
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12-22-2013, 09:17 PM
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So tell us what changes lately have been beneficial overall????
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How about the obvious.
They pretended to scrap the registry,
didn't they?
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12-22-2013, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter
As a bow hunter and a fisherman I would feel better if I and my family were allowed to carry a firearm. Also in Montana they have open carry, I go there quite a bit and still have NEVER seen a sidearm on the street. The whole argument about the carrying of a firearm will create crime is a rouse by the left.
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Stats say otherwise. Our friends down south have way more guns and way more murders aswell. When's the last school shooting you can remember in Canada ?
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12-22-2013, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ali#1
Stats say otherwise. Our friends down south have way more guns and way more murders aswell. When's the last school shooting you can remember in Canada ?
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12-22-2013, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wags
So one question, and truly honest here - if you're hunting in the bush, don't you already have a gun? What's the need for a second gun? Is it simply a matter of being able to draw and shoot quicker?
And for the hunters who feel like the stance against this is based on hunters being criminals, and wide brushes, and you carry them now and so on...
My perspective is not that what-so-ever. My perspective is that if it's easier for you to get them, it's easier for everyone else to get them. And if there's something you're allowed to have, then many more stores will sell them, and current stores will sell more. At the end of the day, it's simple math - more guns, more crimes as a result of guns. This provides opportunities for crimes to be committed using guns that would not normally would have been committed (the multitude of school shootings being an example).
As for the argument of 'would you commit a crime against me if you saw me carrying a gun' can only be met with what do we see from our southerly neighbors? Maybe it deters some, and others becomes a 'my gun is bigger than your gun' match...so the answer would be absolutely, yes, happens all the time.
The petition is being requested as a means of protection. As per my original post, protection from what? If it's animals only, as in the case of hunting, perhaps laws that provide people with a valid hunting license/ticket the means to carry...only while hunting. Otherwise, can't imagine what we need protection from.
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For myself the sidearm would be late summer fishing on trout streams with berry bushes nearby and summer horse riding
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12-22-2013, 09:22 PM
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Stats say otherwise. Our friends down south have way more guns and way more murders aswell. When's the last school shooting you can remember in Canada ?
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There are a lot more people as well, and your argument about school shootings can be skewed an way you look at it .
There was a one not too long ago where the gunman was killed by a teacher before killing anybody .
Statistics and polls are so one sided that an argument on either pro or con really is lame IMO.
real numbers may be a better way to look at it.
I have many friends Stateside, and the number that carry compared to the number that don't is about equal.
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12-22-2013, 09:23 PM
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Wasn't that in the early 2000's ? I vaguely remember it.
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12-22-2013, 09:24 PM
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"Maybe it deters some, and others becomes a 'my gun is bigger than your gun' match...so the answer would be absolutely, yes, happens all the time."
Any data on this. How often does it happen.
More guns= more crime any data on this?
If criminals can't get guns as registered licensed gun owners, they will turn away from their wicked ways, rather than continue to get them where they do now?????? Really???
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12-22-2013, 09:24 PM
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Taber was 1999...and there have been a few more since then, maybe 5 or so - how many school shooting in the states this year? Or even the last 6 months? Or even this month?
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12-22-2013, 09:25 PM
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I saw 5 grizzlys over a 4 hour period in Kananaskis, then saw 3 the next day, and 2 on my way home the day after that. I don't hunt, and rarely am in the bush for fishing, so I'm not sure why it seems so far fetched?
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Just seeing a bear and actually having an encounter with a bear , aren't necessarily the same thing.
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12-22-2013, 09:26 PM
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There are a lot more people as well, and your argument about school shootings can be skewed an way you look at it .
There was a one not too long ago where the gunman was killed by a teacher before killing anybody .
Statistics and polls are so one sided that an argument on either pro or con really is lame IMO.
real numbers may be a better way to look at it.
I have many friends Stateside, and the number that carry compared to the number that don't is about equal.
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I'm obviously not anti gun as I own multiple guns. I think more guns in the hands of people who use them for defence is a bad idea. Now a days you go to the bar with your friends a ruckus breaks out and a few guys get punched in the face, add drunks and guns to that mix and see how much safer you feel.
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12-22-2013, 09:26 PM
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How about the obvious.
They pretended to scrap the registry,
didn't they?
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So your argument is, that is an example of what you think is beneficial over all??
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12-22-2013, 09:27 PM
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Wasn't that in the early 2000's ? I vaguely remember it.
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My cousin was shot at Taber. I remember it.
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12-22-2013, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Redfrog
"Maybe it deters some, and others becomes a 'my gun is bigger than your gun' match...so the answer would be absolutely, yes, happens all the time."
Any data on this. How often does it happen.
More guns= more crime any data on this?
If criminals can't get guns as registered licensed gun owners, they will turn away from their wicked ways, rather than continue to get them where they do now?????? Really???
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By your logic the USA would be the safest place on earth. But it's not nearly 10000 people a year get murdered mostly by guns.
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12-22-2013, 09:28 PM
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My cousin was shot at Taber. I remember it.
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Sorry to hear that.
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12-22-2013, 09:29 PM
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Stats say otherwise. Our friends down south have way more guns and way more murders aswell. When's the last school shooting you can remember in Canada ?
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Do you mean when a firearm just jumped up and started shooting scholl kids, or do you mean when some whacko went off the rails like the guy without the gun on the Greyhound. Wonder what would have happened there is a passenger was 'packin'?HMMM?
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12-22-2013, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Redfrog
"Maybe it deters some, and others becomes a 'my gun is bigger than your gun' match...so the answer would be absolutely, yes, happens all the time."
Any data on this. How often does it happen.
More guns= more crime any data on this?
If criminals can't get guns as registered licensed gun owners, they will turn away from their wicked ways, rather than continue to get them where they do now?????? Really???
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1)No Mr. Redfrog, I don't have any data that I care to look up, just what I see and read every day.
2)Yes, I stated them earlier in the 'guns crimes per capita' data ealier in this thread.
3)I didn't say anything like that what-so-ever, I said, if it's easier for you to get, it's easier for them to get. It also puts more guns in the market, allowing more guns to be gained illegally (theft of an honest hunter, black market, etc), and thirdly, puts more guns in the hands of people that would not have otherwise committed the crime without the access - mental health people come to mind primarily.
Cheers
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12-22-2013, 09:31 PM
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Do you mean when a firearm just jumped up and started shooting scholl kids, or do you mean when some whacko went off the rails like the guy without the gun on the Greyhound. Wonder what would have happened there is a passenger was 'packin'?HMMM?
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Wonder what would have happened if the perp had a gun and killed 10 people in the bus ?
You really think the world is like a duke movie where good guys and bad guys are easy to spot ad nobody ever gets shot by mistake.
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12-22-2013, 09:32 PM
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"Hundreds of bear encounters." "Hundreds of bear encounters."
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12-22-2013, 09:32 PM
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By your logic the USA would be the safest place on earth. But it's not nearly 10000 people a year get murdered mostly by guns.
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How many don't get shot, because some3one is carrying.??
I go to the states a lot and always to states with open carry, and I feel as safe as when I'm home in downtown Bodo.
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12-22-2013, 09:33 PM
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For myself the sidearm would be late summer fishing on trout streams with berry bushes nearby and summer horse riding
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And that would be reasonable. Or teach your horse karate! 
I'm just not sure how the law could be structured for this. I still feel it opens the door too much for the not nature lover so to speak to just have an
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12-22-2013, 09:34 PM
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How many don't get shot, because some3one is carrying.??
I go to the states a lot and always to states with open carry, and I feel as safe as when I'm home in downtown Bodo.
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Enlighten us, how many don't get shot, because someone is carrying?
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By your logic the USA would be the safest place on earth. But it's not nearly 10000 people a year get murdered mostly by guns.
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Sorry for ignorance.Are they all killed by (could be) victims of crime,acting in self defense ?
OR mostly kills were made by criminals, who have obtained their guns unlawfully(without even care what gun law states,or probably backed up by lawyers who explained all loopholes in any gun laws ) ?
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12-22-2013, 09:35 PM
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How many don't get shot, because some3one is carrying.??
I go to the states a lot and always to states with open carry, and I feel as safe as when I'm home in downtown Bodo.
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Do those states include inner cities of large metropolitan areas ?.
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12-22-2013, 09:36 PM
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Wonder what would have happened if the perp had a gun and killed 10 people in the bus ?
You really think the world is like a duke movie where good guys and bad guys are easy to spot ad nobody ever gets shot by mistake.
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I'm gonna take a wild guess here that guy who cutting the head off a bus passenger is a bad guy. A naked guy who is chasing a woman down the stret while waving a knife and screaming loudly, is a bad guy. A guy who is kicking in my door and makes it past my dog... Well let's just say we won't have to worry about his intentions or his poor unhappy childhood.
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