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Bought a 2018 F150 with the 3.5 eco and max tow. Truck says 12500# but I don't have anything close to that to tow. All I have is a Rpod 178 which loaded weighs in maybe 4500#. I make a point not to have heavy things, too much of a pain moving them. If I was to buy a heavier truck I would skip right over the 3/4 tons a get a new F350 single cab long box with the 6.2 V8 just to put a snow plow on.
I was planning on waiting to see the new diesel 150 but a few hours to burn inbetween a meeting at work I ended up finding the exact truck I've wanted for years. A buddy of mine has the Dodge 1500 diesel and loves it. The truck is plush for sure and gets great mileage.
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Wow! what a price tag for a 150 or 1500 series truck! I don't use 1/2 tonne anymore as it has been obsolete for some time but I get it.
Like others have said...... a 5000 pound truck ( aluminum) pulling 10-12 k down the road is the tail wagging the dog. The engine is capable for sure but will be zinging the turbos all day long.
That truck would be fine with the 6000 lb trailer someone mentioned .
My 2010 maxtow 150 was rated to tow 11,200. I was never over 8500 but knew it was too much and am on my second 350. My 2017 Planinum 350 was less than the 85k but msrp was more.
Ratings are ok at best but one needs to do the real world numbers.
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My 2015 going in for service tomorrow--they are giving me one as a loaner, should be interesting
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Like others have said...... a 5000 pound truck ( aluminum) pulling 10-12 k down the road is the tail wagging the dog.
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While I agree with you completely, I don't get that argument. Tractors (semi's) are usually 20-25% the weight of the trailers they are pulling. to me the truck/trailer ratio is better for the 1/2 ton.
5000# truck, 12000# trailer = ~41%
20000# semi, 60000# trailer = ~33%
Unless I'm completely wrong on the weights?
Even digging into it more,
F350 Dually 7500#, trailer 27500# = ~27%
Oh, and obviously I realize there are other factors (power, hitch, loading, axles, etc.), and I would never tow close to the ratings, but if the tail is wagging the dog on a 1/2 ton, something else is wrong with the setup.
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10-23-2018, 11:21 AM
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While I agree with you completely, I don't get that argument. Tractors (semi's) are usually 20-25% the weight of the trailers they are pulling. to me the truck/trailer ratio is better for the 1/2 ton.
5000# truck, 12000# trailer = ~41%
20000# semi, 60000# trailer = ~33%
Unless I'm completely wrong on the weights?
Even digging into it more,
F350 Dually 7500#, trailer 27500# = ~27%
Oh, and obviously I realize there are other factors (power, hitch, loading, axles, etc.), and I would never tow close to the ratings, but if the tail is wagging the dog on a 1/2 ton, something else is wrong with the setup.
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You make a good point and I have always thought about that example. The components on the HD trucks are really under rated. Think of some configurations where one truck has a 17 k tow rating and another one in different configuration in 30 plus. Then there is pulling vs. carrying.
The problem in the 150 is you would never reach the real world 12k rating without going over payload, gvwr, tires, etc. When I was under 3000 pounds on my tow rating I was 50 over on the axle. Did not like that. And I had a 7700 gvwr truck.
My 2017 SRW weighs 8150 empty and that is with the big weight savings from the aluminum.
Your weight ratios do look right though. With pin weight of my toyhauler I am at 11,500 for truck and 12500-13 k for trailer. A nice balance.
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Wow! what a price tag for a 150 or 1500 series truck! I don't use 1/2 tonne anymore as it has been obsolete for some time but I get it.
Like others have said...... a 5000 pound truck ( aluminum) pulling 10-12 k down the road is the tail wagging the dog. The engine is capable for sure but will be zinging the turbos all day long.
That truck would be fine with the 6000 lb trailer someone mentioned .
My 2010 maxtow 150 was rated to tow 11,200. I was never over 8500 but knew it was too much and am on my second 350. My 2017 Planinum 350 was less than the 85k but msrp was more.
Ratings are ok at best but one needs to do the real world numbers.
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And wont stop as well as a 3/4 or 1 ton. Still will have smaller 1/2 ton brake components...
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Pulling or towing with a 3.0L seems stupid.
The only reason I would buy a teeny diesel would be for high mileage daily driver. Save money on fuel, but not at the price of this unit.
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Ain’t going to save any $$$ with diesel being $0.20/l more than gasoline. Not to mention higher cost of maintenance unless the baby diesels have done something to reduce maintenance costs.
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Ain’t going to save any $$$ with diesel being $0.20/l more than gasoline. Not to mention higher cost of maintenance unless the baby diesels have done something to reduce maintenance costs.
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Most half tons get ~20mpg. The diesel is getting 35mpg.
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Most half tons get ~20mpg. The diesel is getting 35mpg.
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And pricing for diesel fuel is higher in winter months tied into home heating fuels. In summer when I am burning lots of diesel the price is cheaper than gasoline.
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10-23-2018, 01:00 PM
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The extra price paid for the diesel option eats up the savings with fuel economy, for a driver anyway.
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10-23-2018, 02:59 PM
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I was thinking of trading off my 2014 F350 diesel on a F150 diesel. As was said earlier the price is crazy on these new truck. My lariat F350 was 60K cash price. Basic lariat f150 diesel was quoted at 68K after incentives and Costco rebate. To big of a hit. May just go gas if I do anything. Not sure whether to go 5 litre or eco boost though.
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But, diesels are supposed to last a half-million to a million km without breaking a sweat. If you are keeping the truck for a couple years sure not worth it, if you mile it out and hand it to the kids it is absolutely worth it.
Guys that do not and have not owned diesels always say maintenance is so much more, I did nothing at all to my 2000 7.3 with half a million km, my 2003 7.3 with half a million km, am betting my 6.7 will be the same.
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I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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But, diesels are supposed to last a half-million to a million km without breaking a sweat. If you are keeping the truck for a couple years sure not worth it, if you mile it out and hand it to the kids it is absolutely worth it.
Guys that do not and have not owned diesels always say maintenance is so much more, I did nothing at all to my 2000 7.3 with half a million km, my 2003 7.3 with half a million km, am betting my 6.7 will be the same.
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I haven't owned a diesel for a few years now, but I seem to recall just general maintenance, such as oil changes, being significantly more for the diesel vs the gas.
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10-23-2018, 03:11 PM
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The 3.0 diesel hold 7 litres of oil, my 3.5 ecoswab takes 6.
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I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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and pricing for diesel fuel is higher in winter months tied into home heating fuels. In summer when i am burning lots of diesel the price is cheaper than gasoline.
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The 3.0 diesel hold 7 litres of oil, my 3.5 ecoswab takes 6.
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Yup. But are you using the same oil? And I doubt the price of the filter is the same. Wouldn't surprise me if the diesel filter is 3x as much. And insurance is more on a diesel as well, isn't it?
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Yup. But are you using the same oil? And I doubt the price of the filter is the same. Wouldn't surprise me if the diesel filter is 3x as much. And insurance is more on a diesel as well, isn't it?
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It's not 3x as much. This is a 3.0L not a 6.7. Insurance is the same.
If they are making a diesel daily driver they for sure thought about maintenance costs.
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10-23-2018, 03:41 PM
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For me, personally putting 18k on my truck a year on avg. DEF runs me 30 bucks. It is included with my oil change for about 170 bucks every 10 months.
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My 2015 going in for service tomorrow--they are giving me one as a loaner, should be interesting
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Have s new diesel lariat today, cant say Im impressed, mileage no better than gas job
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The Ford 150 diesel IMO is a bit of a novelty at this point, it's great on fuel but the 5.0L (11,600lbs) and the 3.5L (13,200lbs) both have a higher tow rating. The misperception out there is that the F150 Diesel has a great tow rating but you are better off with the 3.5L if you plan on towing with a Ford 150. So the F-150 diesel(11,400lbs) is more for the guy that drives a lot and want to save some money on fuel. Also, you will only see the diesel in a Lariat or higher trim making it that much more expensive than say a XLT trim.
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Put an 800 lb skid in her, sure doesn't seem happy pulling it around. No clue why anyone would pick this over the 3.5 Ecoboost.
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The Ford 150 diesel IMO is a bit of a novelty at this point, it's great on fuel but the 5.0L (11,600lbs) and the 3.5L (13,200lbs) both have a higher tow rating. The misperception out there is that the F150 Diesel has a great tow rating but you are better off with the 3.5L if you plan on towing with a Ford 150. So the F-150 diesel(11,400lbs) is more for the guy that drives a lot and want to save some money on fuel. Also, you will only see the diesel in a Lariat or higher trim making it that much more expensive than say a XLT trim.
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Dang that sucks. Was thinking this might be a nice truck to look into for a few reasons.
1) I drive a bunch every year. Around 30-40k with commuting
2) I need something that would pull a small stock trailer. (Able to hold 2-3 horses)
3) Want a crew cab for family outings to the mountains/hunting
4) Would prefer not to get a 1 ton as its a PITA to park and run around town.
But I don't need or want a Lariat or Platinum edition truck. Seems like a waste of money to me. If I can get power locks/windows, AC, cruise, and a stereo thats all I need. Anyone have any comments on the Nissan Titan Diesel?
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The Ford 150 diesel IMO is a bit of a novelty at this point, it's great on fuel but the 5.0L (11,600lbs) and the 3.5L (13,200lbs) both have a higher tow rating. The misperception out there is that the F150 Diesel has a great tow rating but you are better off with the 3.5L if you plan on towing with a Ford 150. So the F-150 diesel(11,400lbs) is more for the guy that drives a lot and want to save some money on fuel. Also, you will only see the diesel in a Lariat or higher trim making it that much more expensive than say a XLT trim.
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They offer it to fleet customers in an XL and XLT. When I was looking for my truck, they said wait a couple years and Ford will put the diesel in the lower trim lines. Something about a marketing move since they felt the demand will be high so offer it in the upper trim levels to keep up with demand. Time will tell
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Have s new diesel lariat today, cant say Im impressed, mileage no better than gas job
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Brother was telling me how great the mileage was with his brand new F-150 ecoboost. I asked him to keep it to 115 kph, Edm to Lethbridge, and tell me how good it actually was.
I figured it wouldn't be any better than the 5.7 hemi 8 speed in my 2017 Ram sport. I can get as low as 12.2L/100k on Hwy 2 bouncing between 110 and 120 kph.
He told me he got 9.5L/100kms on his return trip to Lethbridge locked in at 115. Blew me away to be honest. I wasn't getting a lot better in my BMW sedan...mind you. 
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Brother was telling me how great the mileage was with his brand new F-150 ecoboost. I asked him to keep it to 115 kph, Edm to Lethbridge, and tell me how good it actually was.
I figured it wouldn't be any better than the 5.7 hemi 8 speed in my 2017 Ram sport. I can get as low as 12.2L/100k on Hwy 2 bouncing between 110 and 120 kph.
He told me he got 9.5L/100kms on his return trip to Lethbridge locked in at 115. Blew me away to be honest. I wasn't getting a lot better in my BMW sedan...mind you. |
Before some mods, I was getting 1200 Kms highway out of a tank, bigger tires and a level kit did away with that--sure looks good though. Although once you put your foot into it, well, yknow
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Brother was telling me how great the mileage was with his brand new F-150 ecoboost. I asked him to keep it to 115 kph, Edm to Lethbridge, and tell me how good it actually was.
I figured it wouldn't be any better than the 5.7 hemi 8 speed in my 2017 Ram sport. I can get as low as 12.2L/100k on Hwy 2 bouncing between 110 and 120 kph.
He told me he got 9.5L/100kms on his return trip to Lethbridge locked in at 115. Blew me away to be honest. I wasn't getting a lot better in my BMW sedan...mind you. |
The new econoboosts are quite fuel efficient for a pickup, if they had a better reliability record, I would consider one myself.
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Before some mods, I was getting 1200 Kms highway out of a tank, bigger tires and a level kit did away with that--sure looks good though. Although once you put your foot into it, well, yknow
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How big is your tank? Ever watched to see what you're getting Litres per 100k"s or are you fabulously wealthy and just don't give a damn?
I can maybe cram 104 litres into my Dodge. Usually get 750 - 800 k's per tank. I figured 12 - 12.5 l/km was pretty good in a larger 4 x 4 but maybe not. That's highway too. combined is right around 13.5L per 100 k's.
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The new econoboosts are quite fuel efficient for a pickup, if they had a better reliability record, I would consider one myself.
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Must be something to that engine. Ass Monkey put one in a Ford Pantera they rebuilt.
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How big is your tank? Ever watched to see what you're getting Litres per 100k"s or are you fabulously wealthy and just don't give a damn?
I can maybe cram 104 litres into my Dodge. Usually get 750 - 800 k's per tank. I figured 12 - 12.5 l/km was pretty good in a larger 4 x 4 but maybe not. That's highway too. combined is right around 13.5L per 100 k's. |
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