Obligations for selling a gun?

[damn_missed_again]

Hey I'm looking to sell a gun of mine. What are my legal obligations when and if I sell it? Do I need to record a PAL number? Report it sold to anyone? Since the registry is dead my understanding is that I really have no obligations but it feels weird not to have to record a PAL number as anyone could say they do and purchase a gun this way! Thanks for your advice.

[Hogie135]

Make sure PAL is valid, collect cash.....done. For non restricted that is.

[coreya3212]

Assuming non restricted, you must Have no reason to believe the purchaser is prohibited from owning the firearm. Arguably the best way is to simply see there PAL and verify it is not expired. No recording and no reporting.

Edit, I typed slow. See above.

[Prairiewolf]

I like to draw up a bill of sale with the serial number on it with each party's signature. Feels more official.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Prairiewolf

I like to draw up a bill of sale with the serial number on it with each party's signature. Feels more official.

not with me you won't

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by hal53

not with me you won't

Me neither. Would never want a rifle that bad.

[nelsonob1]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Me neither. Would never want a rifle that bad.

x3

[Hooter]

Originally Posted by hal53

not with me you won't

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Me neither. Would never want a rifle that bad.

Originally Posted by nelsonob1

x3

Why?

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Me neither. Would never want a rifle that bad.

+1

[nelsonob1]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

+1

Elk Hunter you are innumerate, that would be x4 or +1

Edit: OK I am an idiot who is illiterate.

[Vessey]

Originally Posted by damn_missed_again

Hey I'm looking to sell a gun of mine. What are my legal obligations when and if I sell it? Do I need to record a PAL number? Report it sold to anyone? Since the registry is dead my understanding is that I really have no obligations but it feels weird not to have to record a PAL number as anyone could say they do and purchase a gun this way! Thanks for your advice.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...vendre-eng.htm

[Donkey Slayer]

Would the seller need to be concerned of documenting the transaction if the gun was used in a crime after it was sold and the serial number brought the RCMP to the door. I'm also thinking of Hennessy and cheese man.

In a court situation , I would hope you would be cleared but who needs the huge hassle and costs.

[4thredneck]

Originally Posted by Donkey Slayer

Would the seller need to be concerned of documenting the transaction if the gun was used in a crime after it was sold and the serial number brought the RCMP to the door. I'm also thinking of Hennessy and cheese man.

In a court situation , I would hope you would be cleared but who needs the huge hassle and costs.

How would the serial number bring the cops to your door? Records were destroyed.

[Prairiewolf]

Originally Posted by 4thredneck

How would the serial number bring the cops to your door? Records were destroyed.

You know when you buy a gun at a retail chain (WSS, Cabelas, BPS, etc)? They take all this info down. Including the purchaser's PAL. Yes, police will figure this out.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Prairiewolf

You know when you buy a gun at a retail chain (WSS, Cabelas, BPS, etc)? They take all this info down. Including the purchaser's PAL. Yes, police will figure this out.

Read the link on post 38 thus is for used guns that the OP was originally asking about .
There is far too much worrying and " what if" situations here.
If I think someone is sketchy ,I won't deal with them. .
Cat

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Prairiewolf

You know when you buy a gun at a retail chain (WSS, Cabelas, BPS, etc)? They take all this info down. Including the purchaser's PAL. Yes, police will figure this out.

Last gun I bought at Canadian Tire the girl just looked at my Pal. Didn't record anything.

[elkdump]

I sold a Pressure Cooker at a garage sale a few years ago,,,,


It still bothers me to this day,,,


The Babooshkha that bought it didn't have any Photo ID , and She only spoke Ukrainian,,,

She maybe turned it into a Weapon of Mass Destruction,,,

My Bad !


PS; Luckily I had Filed all the a SERIAL NUMBERS off of the Pressure Cooker !

[Battle Rat]

Originally Posted by elkdump

I sold a Pressure Cooker at a garage sale a few years ago,,,,


It still bothers me to this day,,,


The Babooshkha that bought it didn't have any Photo ID , and She only spoke Ukrainian,,,

She maybe turned it into a Weapon of Mass Destruction,,,

My Bad !


PS; Luckily I had Filed all the a SERIAL NUMBERS off of the Pressure Cooker !

Shush, the Boston police might be watching this site.

[Matt22]

You boys all get pretty bent outta shape about paper. While I have bought a few guns with no bill of sale I wouldn't at all be supposed to one. What's the harm? I don't get it.

[Prairiewolf]

Originally Posted by Donkey Slayer

Would the seller need to be concerned of documenting the transaction if the gun was used in a crime after it was sold and the serial number brought the RCMP to the door. I'm also thinking of Hennessy and cheese man.

In a court situation , I would hope you would be cleared but who needs the huge hassle and costs.

And this is why I originally posted about liking a bill of sale. Its not to show support for the LGR, but rather to cover my own ass. You can say you have a paper trail on AO or emails or whatever, but a bill of sale takes no time and has both parties names on it. Done.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by Donkey Slayer

Would the seller need to be concerned of documenting the transaction if the gun was used in a crime after it was sold and the serial number brought the RCMP to the door. I'm also thinking of Hennessy and cheese man.

In a court situation , I would hope you would be cleared but who needs the huge hassle and costs.

Without a registry how do they know it was once yours?

[Dick284]

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=127459

[elkdump]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

Without a registry how do they know it was once yours?

Maybe his DNA was on the gun, many people "Love their gun" , sticky subject !

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by elkdump

Maybe his DNA was on the gun, many people "Love their gun" , sticky subject !

A possibility I suppose. Still a better chance of winning the lottery IMO, but some people love to play the what if game.

[Okotokian]

edited. Nevermind

[Yycadm]

In a perfect world, we shouldn't NEED to do any documenting...shooters are all honest folks, right?

I found a rifle I was looking for online, private seller in another Province. We discussed the price, I asked for and got a bunch more photos of the gun, serial number, etc. plus a photocopy of a valid PAL, and a valid Ontario Driver's lic.

I had nothing more that I could do...he's a fellow shooter, right? He's not gonna run game on me...heck he OFFERED to draw up the bill of sale. It left me with no funny feeling...very cooperative, even copied me on his FedEx pickup request email. So, off went the funds...EFT since he didn't use Paypal.

What he didn't do was tell me he canceled the FedEx pickup...or that he wasn't planning on shipping it in the first place.

I was ****ed off, embarrassed and eventually mad enough to go to the Police. Imagine my freaking surprise...no signed bill of sale? Sucks to be you. They did very little in the way of followup. Took a report, checked the validity of his PAL and D.L. both good. Went to his residence...he'd moved. No forwarding address. And, that was the end of that.

I have his email, and his old address. I've emailed him with no reply or indication that he ever opened any of them. I mailed letters to his old address, and had them returned.

That was a $600 lesson for me. There is bugger-all they can/will do in a situation like that, despite having lots of info on the thief. Two things have changed since this happened, a couple of years ago now. #1 - if I can't physically touch the gun, it doesn't exist and I'm not buying. If I don't get a bill of sale, same thing. It may not be much, it may not be needed by the laws, but it is mandatory for me to buy or sell a gun from now on

[Ozzzzz]

So...clearly a touchy subject. Whenever I buy or sell something substantial privately, I always involve a bill of sale. Doesn't matter if it's a bicycle, an alternator, or a rifle. It's just common sense, and "cover your a--". Anyone who argues over something as simple as a bill of sale must have something to hide, and won't be doing business with me.

[Immigrant]

I will ask for a PAL. Purely because i want to make sure the person i am selling a rifle to understand gun safety and responsibility, and that he is not going to walk down main street and start taking shots at people because "the voices in his head" told him so. The PAL, for the most part, is there to make sure people are capable of owning a gun. They are to a certain degree "screened" by the system.
And yes, the system is flawed and crazy people do get a PAL and access to guns, but at least i will sleep good at night knowing i did not sell a rifle to a crazy guy. Especially in times like these with "lone wolf" operators.

And what is the big deal with the government or somebody else knowing you have a gun? What are you planning on doing with it? It's not like there is going to be a rebellion or a coup in Canada and police or military will come to your house confiscating weapons in fear of people starting a civil war.

[Lefty-Canuck]

I bought a firearm from a policeman and he had a bill of sale to which we each had a copy....if you are uncomfortable with who you are buying or selling from, do a bill of sale or pass on the transaction.

Even today some gentleman can deal with a word or a handshake.

LC