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01-24-2022, 11:38 AM
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While I await all the supplies I bought, new to getting into this game, I dream about how I will set up a loading bench.
Some great Ideas on here for sure. I may not get a spare room for a few years yet, so will have to come up with locking cabinets and set up in a basement corner. I do have a spare room planned, as the kids grow and move out, so the corner will have to do for a bit. Have to plan on things so I can still move into the spare room when time comes. The room has a narrower door, that is also short, but planning on a new steel door when the time comes, so may be able to go wider, but not taller.
I used to help dad reload 30 years ago, and time to get back into it. I have been planning to, for a few years, and finally just jumped in and order things, as factory ammo is hard to find. Still was able to find components for now, for the most part to start. Go figure.
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01-24-2022, 04:36 PM
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Cleaned it up and reorganized in preparation for the new press.
It's like being a kid again waiting for Christmas...the anticipation is killing me!
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01-25-2022, 07:37 PM
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Press arrived at dinner time yesterday, so reorganized things to accommodate it today. Moved the old press to the left as a dedicated decapping press and installed the new MEC in the old ones location.
Here's a pic of the reloading bench. Been in that location for the last 38+ years.
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01-26-2022, 08:41 AM
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Neck turned 100 22 creedmoor alpha brass
Seems like very good quality
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01-26-2022, 08:55 AM
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Hi All
Got a weird one.
-New Tikka T3X 3006
-bolt disassembled for this
-bolt will not close on new loaded ammo (Barnes or Hornady) without a ‘push’
-fired brass from the gun is .004 shorter at the shoulder
Following the RCBS die instructions takes the brass back to what the loaded ammo shoulder length is and the bolt needs a “push” to chamber.
Just getting into reloading so have all the stuff to resize brass etc.
How bad is this?
What should be done if anything?
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01-26-2022, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatlandliver
Hi All
Got a weird one.
-New Tikka T3X 3006
-bolt disassembled for this
-bolt will not close on new loaded ammo (Barnes or Hornady) without a ‘push’
-fired brass from the gun is .004 shorter at the shoulder
Following the RCBS die instructions takes the brass back to what the loaded ammo shoulder length is and the bolt needs a “push” to chamber.
Just getting into reloading so have all the stuff to resize brass etc.
How bad is this?
What should be done if anything?
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How are you measuring this?
With a comparator?
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01-26-2022, 10:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marky_mark
How are you measuring this?
With a comparator?
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Yes. Hornady
And a stripped bolt to check the “jam”
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01-26-2022, 10:19 AM
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Will sized brass with no bullet, chamber in the rifle?? If so then it is a overall length problem. IF the brass will not fit then it is a sizing problem. IF new factory ammo will not feed then it is a rifle problem.
Best I can give you with out more info.
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01-26-2022, 10:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter
Will sized brass with no bullet, chamber in the rifle?? No. If so then it is a overall length problem. IF the brass will not fit then it is a sizing problem. IF new factory ammo will not feed then it is a rifle problem.
Best I can give you with out more info.
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The bolt will not drop on brass sized to the loaded brass shoulder to case end length. New factory ammo will not feed with pushing the bolt closed. Never noticed that it was happening until I stripped the ejector spring/pin from the bolt to check shoulder bump.
Fired brass is .004 shorter then factory ammo when measured with a comparator.
Thinking I just size the fired brass until I get a loose bolt drop?
Or just neck size?
Or What?
I have maybe 50 factory loaded rounds through the gun. No pressure signs etc on the brass.
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01-26-2022, 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatlandliver
The bolt will not drop on brass sized to the loaded brass shoulder to case end length. New factory ammo will not feed with pushing the bolt closed. Never noticed that it was happening until I stripped the ejector spring/pin from the bolt to check shoulder bump.
Fired brass is .004 shorter then factory ammo when measured with a comparator.
Thinking I just size the fired brass until I get a loose bolt drop?
Or just neck size?
Or What?
I have maybe 50 factory loaded rounds through the gun. No pressure signs etc on the brass.
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Something is off
You shouldn’t be getting a shorter measurement after the brass is fired
The brass expands when ignition happens it doesn’t shrink
If it’s longer after it’s sized than you could have an incorrect expander ball on your die and it’s pulling it the brass outward as the brass is coming out of the die
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01-26-2022, 12:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marky_mark
Something is off
You shouldn’t be getting a shorter measurement after the brass is fired
The brass expands when ignition happens it doesn’t shrink
If it’s longer after it’s sized than you could have an incorrect expander ball on your die and it’s pulling it the brass outward as the brass is coming out of the die
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Agreed.
I shouldn’t be, but the gauge isn’t lying.
The body dia of the case has expanded but it is definitely .004 shorter measured at the shoulder once fired.
And I definitely have to “squeeze” the bolt shut to chamber a factory or a resized round. A fired case chambers easily.
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01-26-2022, 01:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatlandliver
Agreed.
I shouldn’t be, but the gauge isn’t lying.
The body dia of the case has expanded but it is definitely .004 shorter measured at the shoulder once fired.
And I definitely have to “squeeze” the bolt shut to chamber a factory or a resized round. A fired case chambers easily.
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Very weird
Last edited by marky_mark; 01-26-2022 at 01:39 PM.
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01-26-2022, 01:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatlandliver
Hi All
Got a weird one.
-New Tikka T3X 3006
-bolt disassembled for this
-bolt will not close on new loaded ammo (Barnes or Hornady) without a ‘push’
-fired brass from the gun is .004 shorter at the shoulder
Following the RCBS die instructions takes the brass back to what the loaded ammo shoulder length is and the bolt needs a “push” to chamber.
Just getting into reloading so have all the stuff to resize brass etc.
How bad is this?
What should be done if anything?
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The bolt won't close on factory ammo? Or are the Barnes and Hornady reloads?
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01-26-2022, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pikergolf
The bolt won't close on factory ammo? Or are the Barnes and Hornady reloads?
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Factory box rounds. ELDx and TTSX.
I have to set up the FL sizing die to size the brass .002/.003 shorter then the factory brass for the bolt to close “on its own”.
If I had hair it would be all pulled out.
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01-26-2022, 02:07 PM
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And it was fine before?
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01-26-2022, 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatlandliver
Factory box rounds. ELDx and TTSX.
I have to set up the FL sizing die to size the brass .002/.003 shorter then the factory brass for the bolt to close “on its own”.
If I had hair it would be all pulled out.
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Not the first time I have heard that about Hornady and Barnes factory ammo.
My suggestion is to ignore that gauges you are using , just size the case until it cljusf closes ,and load the bullets. 010 off the lands for starters (or right at the bullet Cannelure if your bullets have one) and go from there .
If you have a chamber close to the SAAMI minimum spec and factory ammo at the max spec you are going to have issues .
Best to load to the individual rifle
Cat
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01-26-2022, 02:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marky_mark
And it was fine before?
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Never noticed it before. Shot it, hunted with it. Thought the extra push with the bolt was from the ejector.
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01-26-2022, 02:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by catnthehat
Not the first time I have heard that about Hornady and Barnes factory ammo.
My suggestion is to ignore that gauges you are using , just size the case until it cljusf closes ,and load the bullets. 010 off the lands for starters (or right at the bullet Cannelure if your bullets have one) and go from there .
If you have a chamber close to the SAAMI minimum spec and factory ammo at the max spec you are going to have issues .
Best to load to the individual rifle
Cat
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That’s where my head is at too. Listen to the bolt/barrel
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01-27-2022, 08:10 AM
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After getting all of my gear covered with wet snow yesterday after a sudden squall, I have it all spread out on every square space I have in the shop, 4 guns torn apart drying. Equipment box empty and the contents drying put, what a mess!
However everything will go back in its place this morning and I will likely head out and do it all over again!
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01-28-2022, 09:02 AM
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it's a .223 type of morning
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Anytime I figure I've got this long range thing figured out, I just strap into the sling and irons and remind myself that I don't!
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01-28-2022, 10:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatlandliver
The bolt will not drop on brass sized to the loaded brass shoulder to case end length. New factory ammo will not feed with pushing the bolt closed. Never noticed that it was happening until I stripped the ejector spring/pin from the bolt to check shoulder bump.
Fired brass is .004 shorter then factory ammo when measured with a comparator.
Thinking I just size the fired brass until I get a loose bolt drop?
Or just neck size?
Or What?
I have maybe 50 factory loaded rounds through the gun. No pressure signs etc on the brass.
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Went thru similar situation, Fired brass , FL resized would not chamber. Screw the sizing die down and make sure the last part of the case is actually being sized, the instructions of backing die off 1/2 a turn is a bit much. Look at first 1/4" up from base of your brass and you will tell right away. My Whidden die for 6mm dasher is backed off 1/8th of a turn. Rounds chamber and eject perfectly.
Just a suggestion , i'm far from an expert. I was trying different things and over looked the obvious. Worked for me thks to a friend
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01-30-2022, 04:51 PM
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Skimmed turn the necks and did all the brass prep for my 6GT and 22 creedmoor barrels
90gr atips and 109 gr bergers
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01-30-2022, 05:22 PM
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After losing the bases on some 6mmBR brass I decided to pull the bullets on the remaing ones and trash them.
This particular lot of brass has been through 5 different rifles with about twice as many loadings as most get, so they don't owe me anything!
Loaded a different lot of 100 today, and they are onload #9
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Anytime I figure I've got this long range thing figured out, I just strap into the sling and irons and remind myself that I don't!
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01-30-2022, 05:38 PM
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De-capped, wet tumbled, dried, F.L. sized, and neck flared almost 300 straight walled cases of 3 different calibers.
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02-10-2022, 09:10 PM
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Rolled up some .357mag coyote killers tonight. Might be going to help a farmer friend this weekend try and lessen the pack a bit.
Starline brass
CCI 550 SP magnum primers
Hornady XTP 125gr
TiteGroup 7.2gr
OAL: 1.590”
Winchester 1873 carbine (20”)
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02-10-2022, 09:58 PM
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Loaded Some 244RemAI for this weekend now that our 1K tower is once again open!
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Anytime I figure I've got this long range thing figured out, I just strap into the sling and irons and remind myself that I don't!
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02-16-2022, 07:58 PM
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Ranges can be gold mines. Here I am just finishing up some non-match rounds of 6.5CM. These cases are all range pick-ups (94 total). I strongly believe they are once fired. Tight primer pockets. And measuring the fire firmed cases indicate that they were not stout loads at all. They are various head-stamps…and only one is a small primer case.
My cost per round for these is around $.70. Gotta love it!
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02-16-2022, 08:15 PM
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Did 48 30-30 brass. Cleaned, decap, primed. Ready for some 150g with 32g or so of imr3031.....gonna play a bit with powder.... shot 1" groups at 100 the other day.
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02-16-2022, 08:58 PM
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Loaded some ELDX bullets into the 244RemAI hunting rifle to test tomorrow, hope springs eternal!
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Anytime I figure I've got this long range thing figured out, I just strap into the sling and irons and remind myself that I don't!
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02-17-2022, 04:06 PM
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Loaded up 50 rnds. 22-250. 55gr. Sierra BTHP over 35gr. Varget. Gopher season's comin' !
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