So if you were going to build a 1200 yard rifle???

[Smokinyotes]

Just starting to think about building a new medium long Range rifle. If you were building it what caliber? What action? What barrel? Would you use. Just looking for your thoughts.

[Robmcleod82]

Give us a budget, and intended purpose. Hunting, banging steel?

[Nepcros]

Hoping to reach out to that range with my cz750 I pillar bedded and made a 1 in 12 twist stainless barrel to try vs the stock 1 in 10. I'm running .308 175 grain HPBT because some of the greatest shots in history were with a 308 I hope I can do it justice. I know the rifle can do it but I need to step it up.

[Smokinyotes]

Originally Posted by Robmcleod82

Give us a budget, and intended purpose. Hunting, banging steel?

Probably no more than $4000 for everything excluding the scope. Yes it would be just for shooting steel. Not interested in any of the big magnums.

[Fredo]

Bolt
.300 or .308, .338 a bit overkill but still nice
Barrel above 20'

[Lefty-Canuck]

This is my answer to your question

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...t=Scoped+ready

LC

[Smokinyotes]

Originally Posted by Fredo

Bolt
.300 or .308, .338 a bit overkill but still nice
Barrel above 20'

Yes it would be a bolt action but what kind, defiance, stiller Barnard or what other kind?

[Fredo]

Budget will help... If I had money and time, I'd love a Surgeon 1086.

How you gonna use your rifle? Bench? Varmint? Hunting? Target?

[DaleJ]

First choice for 1200 yd rifle would be 7mm Rem mag, or 7 WSM. 168 gr or heavier bullets. Retumbo. Have a Rem 700 with RKS 16X8:1 gain twist chambered 7 WSM. Set up for 17 lb 1000 yd bench rest. Shot out to one mile.

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[Smokinyotes]

Originally Posted by Fredo

Budget will help... If I had money and time, I'd love a Surgeon 1086.

How you gonna use your rifle? Bench? Varmint? Hunting? Target?

Bench and prone, just shooting steel.

[catnthehat]

308 on a Ruger no1 action!
Cat

[Robmcleod82]

I'd be looking at a 7-08 AI, or a 243AI. 7-08 slinging 162s and 243 slinging 105s. I would stay away from any of the true BR actions if your shooting off a pod in the dirt myself. Stocks I'd be looking at either a Macmillan a5 or Manners t4a (or any of the other tac style stocks) I'd probably run a atlas bipod. 26-28 inch barrel in what ever flavour you like. In your price range your probably looking at a stiller, or pierce action. Maybe look into running a long action with a standard bolt face so you don't run into any mag length issues with those big vld bullets (or make sure your reamer is designed to seat the bullet you want to shoot at the length you require for action footprint. That should put you right in the $4000 neighbourhood.

[Cupped N Committed]

6.5x284 would be a great choose as well.

[fish gunner]

Bee .270 -7mm. Flat and fast and made by weatherby

[Ivo]

You may want to consider something in a 7mm. I use a 7 WSM and shoot 1200m with relative ease. A SAUM will do the same, if you want some more jam go with a 7 Rem, STW or RUM. The 7's have a great selection of bullets with high BCs and relatively easy to push to 2900 fps without heavy recoil. I shoot 180 gr Matchkings with 66.4 gr of RL 25 out of a 24" tube at 2850 fps and it's very forgiving in the wind as well.

I wouldn't go with anything smaller as both hits and misses can be hard to see at distance. A 6mm can be almost impossible to see at 1200m and the 6.5s aren't much better.

I would go with components I could get the best deal on. Any semi-custom action would be fine like Pierce, Bighorn..., most of the major barrel manufacturers make great barrels like Krieger, Bartlien, Benchmark and I like McMillan stocks just because they seem to fit me better or at least are more comfortable.

My setup on a PGW Coyote in 7 WSM.

[ccardinal]

7mm rem

[recce43]

the Parker-Hale 1200TX target rifle IN 308 HAS MAUSER 98 ACTION .. iTS THE C3 SNIPER RIFLE IN CANADA PARKER HALE M82 ON IS CIVIE THE M82 MILITARY

[BANG]

A stock k-31 with gp11 ammo and open sights.
Cant wait to get one and try it out at long range.
Miss out on the fun of a build though i guess.

[u_cant_rope_the_wind]

1874 shapes 45-110 36 inch green mountain barrel with long range vernier sights

[rembo]

no need to build.

Get a Savage Model 12 F-Class in 6.5-284.

One of these will probably shoot right alongside most customs.

[Jordan Smith]

Depending on terrain, spotting misses can be difficult even with larger calibers. Having said that, I would still use a smaller chambering that is more user friendly and cheaper to shoot (both of which tend to lead to more practice). I've successfully taken the .223 to well beyond 1000 yards and the .243AI to over a mile, and could spot hits and misses with both in cooperative terrain. It's all about the bullet and how fast you are willing to push it. For a LR learning rifle, it's hard to go wrong with .223, .308, .243, 6.5 Creedmoor, etc. Remember to use targets that easily show hits like some AR500 painted white or some other bright colour. I use a target much bigger than I intend to need and then spray paint a smaller square in the middle (paint a 10" square on a 16" or 18" target), that way you can see your close "misses".

As far as rifles go, you can have an equally accurate and effective tool for the job by using a Rem 700 rather than a custom action, assuming money is a concern, but you will get a nicer feeling and looking rifle with a custom action. Customs have other benefits too, but when it comes down to it, they may not shoot any more precisely or accurately than a Rem 700 build. If money were no concern, I'd likely build off a Defiance Rebel II action using a Manners stock, Bartlein barrel, and Jewel trigger, with APA bottom metal and AI mags.

[Speckle55]

here are the effective ranges for these calibers

I would choose the 338
http://www.longrangehunting.com/rifles/lrr-338-edge.php

David
Cartridge Maximum effective range[35]
7.62×39mm 600 m
5.56×45mm 600 m [36]
7.62×51mm (.308 Winchester) 800 m
7.62×54mm R 800 m
.30-06 Springfield 800 m
7 mm Remington Magnum 900–1,100 m
.300 Winchester Magnum 900–1,200 m
.338 Lapua Magnum 1,200-1,500 m
.50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO)
12.7×108mm (Russian) 1,500–2,000 m
14.5×114mm 1,800–2,300

[Quinn]

Originally Posted by Speckle55

here are the effective ranges for these calibers

I would choose the 338
http://www.longrangehunting.com/rifles/lrr-338-edge.php

David
Cartridge Maximum effective range[35]
7.62×39mm 600 m
5.56×45mm 600 m [36]
7.62×51mm (.308 Winchester) 800 m
7.62×54mm R 800 m
.30-06 Springfield 800 m
7 mm Remington Magnum 900–1,100 m
.300 Winchester Magnum 900–1,200 m
.338 Lapua Magnum 1,200-1,500 m
.50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO)
12.7×108mm (Russian) 1,500–2,000 m
14.5×114mm 1,800–2,300

What's your basis to justifying "effective" range? He's banging steel, not shooting animals.

[ranchhand]

6.5 GAP 4S (6.5 SAUM)

If you're not into to necking up,down, or fireforming than any of the 7's mentioned above or what Jordan Smith said.

[243 wild cat]

Originally Posted by Robmcleod82

I'd be looking at a 7-08 AI, or a 243AI. 7-08 slinging 162s and 243 slinging 105s. I would stay away from any of the true BR actions if your shooting off a pod in the dirt myself. Stocks I'd be looking at either a Macmillan a5 or Manners t4a (or any of the other tac style stocks) I'd probably run a atlas bipod. 26-28 inch barrel in what ever flavour you like. In your price range your probably looking at a stiller, or pierce action. Maybe look into running a long action with a standard bolt face so you don't run into any mag length issues with those big vld bullets (or make sure your reamer is designed to seat the bullet you want to shoot at the length you require for action footprint. That should put you right in the $4000 neighbourhood.

243AI 105s from Downrange Precision. I have one and i love it great rig to shoot the 1000 yard gong. A bit $ to get started but then you have a nice set up that will not break the bank to shoot and get the performance you need at that range.

[Speckle55]

Not my numbers

its 1200 yards he is shooting and a 338 will shoot that far and bang steel or coyotes as per op name

they do it out here to 1600 yards

here is a video
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...6396566A699D8D


David

Originally Posted by Quinn

What's your basis to justifying "effective" range? He's banging steel, not shooting animals.

[DaleJ]

Hmm, how would you carry a 1200 yd rifle?

[Fredo]

... Why 1200 yds ? this is a kind of in-between distance.
What can do the most can do the less, so I'll keep on suggesting .338 LM.
This is a truly wonderful load, in the right gun.

[Smokinyotes]

The only reason why I suggested 1200 yds is because that is as far as we have room to shoot. I know I definitely don't need a 338 LM to shoot 1200 yds.