The 223 as a viable big game round volume 2.

Pathfinder76 · #1 07-21-2018, 12:21 PM

To belabour the point and because this place slows to a crawl in the summer here it goes.

Even though I apparently will shoot less in my lifetime than some here will shoot in a year I was out again this morning. I had zero intention of running my phones video capabilities but thought what the heck. The video is only for sound (I’m going to buy a phone Skope now) so please have no expectation of a Warner Brothers movie.

Yes, I know I’m not shooting deer. Yes I know steel does not bleed. But a deer at 250 yds could not, in seven lifetimes, win this battle. And I wouldn’t have wanted to be a deer standing at the distances illustrated either.

https://youtu.be/kn5VfOXG8sQ

https://youtu.be/nB55NuE6PjM

Nyksta · #2 07-21-2018, 01:42 PM

What was wrong with your first thread?

Pathfinder76 · #3 07-21-2018, 01:45 PM

Any thread on these forums loses all sanity after page three.

Nyksta · #4 07-21-2018, 02:07 PM

I applaud your passion for the sport as well as trying to give info on capabilities of your enjoyment with your 223. In the right hands in the right circumstances it will kill. But the regulations are designed to control the general population's activities. I disagree that 223 would be effective on a regular basis by the more general population of people who want to get out for their 1 or 2 days of being involved in the sport and go be "hunters" so they can go back to their other lifestyle and brag about their amazingness to their non-hunter friends. A skilled trained person who loves the hobby and spends a large number of days every year would be better at deciding the right situation where 223 capabilities are appropriate, but average guy would not. That is why the regulations require more powerful cartridges for big game hunting.

Kurt505 · #5 07-21-2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyksta

I applaud your passion for the sport as well as trying to give info on capabilities of your enjoyment with your 223. In the right hands in the right circumstances it will kill. But the regulations are designed to control the general population's activities. I disagree that 223 would be effective on a regular basis by the more general population of people who want to get out for their 1 or 2 days of being involved in the sport and go be "hunters" so they can go back to their other lifestyle and brag about their amazingness to their non-hunter friends. A skilled trained person who loves the hobby and spends a large number of days every year would be better at deciding the right situation where 223 capabilities are appropriate, but average guy would not. That is why the regulations require more powerful cartridges for big game hunting.

I think if the 223 were allowed you'd find the opposite. Most hunters with limited experience would opt for the biggest baddest gun they could find, while those with more experience would opt for the smaller cartridges. I'd be willing to bet in areas where the native populations still hunt for most of their meat that the 223 is one of the most popular cartridges used today.

Salavee · #6 07-21-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Any thread on these forums loses all sanity after page three.

..and yet you start another one.

Nice shooting, but it didn't prove a thing. Touting the .223 as a Deer cartridge to 200yds might cut it but promoting it as an acceptable general Big Game ctdge has less chance of success than the probability of a .223 reliably and consistently taking Deer at 300 yds... except, of course, if you're doing the shooting. Now, keep it sane please.

Pathfinder76 · #7 07-21-2018, 02:27 PM

Can we all agree that Alberta is fairly unique in imposing this restriction as far as North America goes?

Norwest Alta · #8 07-21-2018, 02:32 PM

No

Salavee · #9 07-21-2018, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Can we all agree that Alberta is fairly unique in imposing this restriction as far as North America goes?

No Way. Many of the States (not all) that allow use of a .223 for hunting
do not have much more than very small whitetails, some exotics and feral hogs available to hunt. Normal shooting ranges are often short as well.

The wide variety and size of our available Big Game in Alberta is totally different. As usual, there are exceptions. I think we have some excellent smaller cartridges available. Why push the absolute minimum agenda?

270person · #10 07-21-2018, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chuck

Can we all agree that Alberta is fairly unique in imposing this restriction as far as North America goes?

Be unique. The world needs more niques.

270person · #11 07-21-2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyksta

What was wrong with your first thread?

Some guys just like to be the focus of attention and hear themselves talk I guess.

Yawn.

last minute · #12 07-21-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 270person

Some guys just like to be the focus of attention and hear themselves talk I guess.

Yawn.

I like it

270person · #13 07-21-2018, 03:40 PM

I can put 5 inside a loonie at 100yds with my 17 HMR, so being basically a sniper with this gun, I think I should be allowed to use it for CP2 and CP3 game animals.

I'll only take headshots at 100 yds and under....I promise....because... I'm a 17 machine. 150 fpe at 50 yds be damned. More than enough to put the smack down.

It's all about ME and I would like to use my 17 HMR for everything. That way I can sell all my other rifles, buy cheap ammo, and I'm betting I can get down to 5 inside a dime if I practise with it enough. TYVM.

P.S. I think I should be able to use it for waterfowl as well.

Norwest Alta · #14 07-21-2018, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 270person

I can put 5 inside a loonie at 100yds with my 17 HMR, so being basically a sniper with this gun, I think I should be allowed to use it for CP2 and CP3 game animals.

I'll only take headshots at 100 yds and under....I promise....because... I'm a 17 machine. 150 fpe at 50 yds be damned. More than enough to put the smack down.

It's all about ME and I would like to use my 17 HMR for everything. That way I can sell all my other rifles, buy cheap ammo, and I'm betting I can get down to 5 inside a dime if I practise with it enough. TYVM.

P.S. I think I should be able to use it for waterfowl as well.

All good points. Don't forget the super short action so you don't have to expend as much energy working it.

Since we're tailor making hunting rules and regulations to suit ourselves. I think that because I'm a poor shot with my 410 that when I'm goose hunting I should have 30 rnd clip for it.

catnthehat · #15 07-21-2018, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 270person

I can put 5 inside a loonie at 100yds with my 17 HMR, so being basically a sniper with this gun, I think I should be allowed to use it for CP2 and CP3 game animals.

I'll only take headshots at 100 yds and under....I promise....because... I'm a 17 machine. 150 fpe at 50 yds be damned. More than enough to put the smack down.

It's all about ME and I would like to use my 17 HMR for everything. That way I can sell all my other rifles, buy cheap ammo, and I'm betting I can get down to 5 inside a dime if I practise with it enough. TYVM.

P.S. I think I should be able to use it for waterfowl as well.

It is sarcastic like this that I get disgusted with these threads .
What an immature attempt at humour in the middle of a serious thread
Cat

ponokajoe · #16 07-21-2018, 03:58 PM

As hunters and sportsmen we owe it to the animals we kill to make sure we do so in a humane and sportsman like way as possible . Light calibers that inherently "explode" or disintegrate on impact. Do not typically achieve solid one shot kills. If you are hunting please use your sense of fair play and make sure you apply it to the animal you are intending to dispatch. Some one once told me that good hunters don,t shooter farther, THEY GET CLOSER.
Use enough rifle to get the job done!!