Gun Registry Super Thread (please thank your Liberal/NDP friends)

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by 3blade

The Americans don’t need another example - NZ, Australia, UK, China, USSR, Nazi Germany, all the way back to Ancient Greece. The government takes away weapons to subjugate and enslave people by force when it can’t control with words. The Americans - well at least a good chunk of them- also arent going to budge and will replace elected officials that cower.

Government shouldn't be targeting gun ownership! IMO gun ownership isn't a problem in Canada. Gun crimes are. Take all this effort and target the gun crimes.
Make all gun crimes a 24 month minimum mandatory sentence from date of conviction, not date of crime or time served etc.

Target the criminals who use guns, not the legal owners of guns.

BW

[cody j]

Many people have no idea, the media is busy being cheerleaders instead of asking tough questions. If a politician can’t answer tough questions maybe they aren’t doing what’s best for the people

[KGB]

Serious question: if the conservatives come to power, how fast and how easy it will be to overturn the latest stupid gun laws? Pierre said that he is against the gun grab so he should be able to repel the stupidity asap…

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by KGB

Serious question: if the conservatives come to power, how fast and how easy it will be to overturn the latest stupid gun laws? Pierre said that he is against the gun grab so he should be able to repel the stupidity asap…

This is my hope as well. Harper overturned the stupid long gun registry boondoggle fairly easily so I think this has a solid chance as well... We just have to get rid of the current idiots in power.

[IronNoggin]

Justin Trudeau claims handgun “freeze” doesn’t target law-abiding gun owners

One day after Justin Trudeau announced what he calls a “freeze” on handgun purchases in Canada, he told reporters his government’s anti-gun bill has no effect on law-abiding gun owners.

https://tnc.news/2022/05/31/justin-t...ng-gun-owners/

[32-40win]

News pundits are asking why the Libs didn't ban handguns, such as in Raquel Dancho's interview on CTV, her response was rather bland in my view, so I posted this on the post on it. This is my view on it anyway;

A handgun ban is impossible to enforce for one, it would, and this legislation will also, create a black market far larger than what exists today. A buyback is too expensive, also impossible to fully enforce, and if the gov't doesn't pay enough, creates the same expanded black market as a ban. We already have 400,000+ people like the NS shooter that were/are prohibited from owning firearms, that wasn't and isn't enforced or tracked. Firearms licence holders are tracked every day. We still don't know what the buyback will cost us, yes, that is us, the taxpayer. The Libs really don't have the funds for it, just another part of the deficit. Then there is the cost of trying to chase down those who don't participate in a ban or buyback. Along with the courts insistence on releasing people charged with firearms offences, including murder, on bail, so they can go out and do it again, plenty of examples of that. TO and other police chiefs will confirm that. And now, the SCC saying a life sentence is cruel and unusual punishment, along with their previous guidance to the lower courts to dismiss extra charges like firearms charges if there are other more important charges they can prosecute, so they drop the firearms charges. IF that isn't the picture of a clusterflop, I don't know what is.

[3blade]

Originally Posted by tirebob

This is my hope as well. Harper overturned the stupid long gun registry boondoggle fairly easily so I think this has a solid chance as well... We just have to get rid of the current idiots in power.

Harper accepted a lie and a blow… from the rcmp and never forced the issue when he knew full well they did not delete the data. The whole force should have been disbanded and the brass tried for treason.

It’s long overdue we demand our “conservatives” start acting instead of talking.

Why has Kenney not used the notwithstanding clause? Yes I know I know legal that that whatever blah blah blah. Any excuse to sit on hands and not offend the dippers

We have accepted this inaction by capitulating limp dycks for far too long.

[IronNoggin]

14 top cops and policing experts who doubt the effectiveness of the proposed Liberal gun ban

Police officers and police departments across Canada have voiced their opinions on the Liberal government’s gun bans.

In 2019 the Liberals made a decision to ban “assault-style” rifles and earlier this week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced a ban on handguns and even further restrictions on law-abiding firearm owners.

Current and former officers have voiced their concerns about Trudeau’s gun bans and its effectiveness in combatting illegal crime.

Here are 14 police officers and policing experts who have gone on record speaking out against the proposed ban, in their own words:

https://tnc.news/2022/06/01/14-top-c...beral-gun-ban/

[32-40win]

See how this pans out, sounds like a good deal to be having our own CFO;

[AI 6.5]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

See how this pans out, sounds like a good deal to be having our own CFO;

I said it before and I will say it again we can't afford another NDP government in Alberta or we are done.

[IronNoggin]

CSSA Special Report:

For Immediate Release:

June 3, 2022

Liberal Lies 743, 744 and 745

Our phone lines and emails are burning up with one question.

When Does This “Freeze” Take Effect?

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino [intentionally?] sowed massive confusion about when this “freeze” on handgun sales actually takes effect.

“We are not waiting for this bill (C-21) to pass to take action,” Mendicino said. “Today we table changes to regulations under the Firearms Act to bring these handgun prohibitions into force as soon as possible.

Yet Public Safety Canada’s website states, “These regulations will come into force once the Parliamentary tabling requirements under the Firearms Act are complete, expected in Fall 2022.”[i]

During the technical briefing that followed Monday’s press conference, the government spokesperson made this statement:

“These regulations will be following the democratic process through the Houses and if these regulations are approved and they come into force prior to Royal Assent [of Bill C-21] then they will be in effect and will apply [first].”

What Does That Mean?

“The democratic process” for regulations are specified in Section 118 (4) of the Firearms Act.[ii]

118 (4) A proposed regulation that has been laid pursuant to subsection (1) may be made

(a) on the expiration of thirty sitting days after it was laid; or

(b) where, with respect to each House of Parliament,

(i) the committee reports to the House, or

(ii) the committee decides not to conduct inquiries or public hearings.

And What Does That Mean?

The regulations will either:

Come into force 30 sitting days from May 30th, 2022 (likely the “Fall 2022” date from Public Safety),

OR

As soon as they are passed in the House of Commons and the Senate.

Clear as mud, right?

The House will pass these regulations ASAP as the NDP is committed to voting with the Liberals until the next legislated election.

The Senate will likely pass these regulations quickly as well, given Liberals control the upper chamber.

Indeed, Second Reading of Bill C-21 is happening in the House of Commons today at approximately 12:15 p.m. You can watch the debate live HERE.

The regulations could pass the House and Senate as early as next week. While this seems unlikely, the Liberals will happily stoop to a new low if it will get them their way.

This would also explain why the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program shut down access to PAL verifications and firearm transfers on Monday. They needed to ensure the system could be stopped at a moment’s notice.

Alberta Chief Firearms Officer Teri Bryant refuted these latest Liberal Lies.[iii]

Bryant said public safety would be far better served if greater attention was paid to tracking people who have firearms prohibition orders against them.

"Often these people already have numerous firearms prohibition orders against them, and yet they still are able to go out and track down and obtain firearms," Bryant said.

"We need to be tracking these people and keeping better tabs on them because these are really high-risk offenders. The problem with this package of measures is it targets the people who are at the lowest risk of offending."

As of yesterday, media outlets have reported that 337 repeat offenders, all arrested for committing other serious crimes, were also charged with 779 counts of breaching Firearm Prohibition Orders, yet Liberal Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino refuses to lift a finger to fix Canada’s broken Firearm Prohibition Order System to address this serious public safety issue.[iv]

Justin Trudeau Lied

Justin Trudeau was consistent yesterday when he lied to Canadians claiming Bill C-21 will stop drug dealers, criminals and gangs from using smuggled illegal guns.

Trudeau makes this absurd claim every time he places new restrictions on RCMP-vetted licensed firearm owners.

Why Canadians continue to believe this Liberal lie is troubling.

Bill Blair Lied

Bill Blair was consistent when he lied about increasing funding for the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA).

According to a document Bill Blair presented to Parliament, he slashed funding for the CBSA by $264.9 million in 2021 and planned to slash another $125.1 million this year.[v]

Blair claimed he was cracking down on border security, but three government experts say almost nothing is being done to stop the flow of illegal handguns smuggled into Canada.

Speaking before the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU) on February 1, 2022, Mark Weber, National President of the Customs and Immigration Union, testified:

“Perhaps most glaring of all are the rail mode operations, where, according to the union's own data, as of 2019, only one one-millionth of all rail cargo was effectively being examined. The reality is that our current operational abilities in the rail field are virtually non-existent.”[vi]

National Police Federation President Brian Sauvé testified:

“Resources should prioritize the criminal use of firearms, with a coordinated strategy that effectively combines prevention, law enforcement and social programs.”[vii]

RCMP Deputy Commissioner Stephen White testified:

“The reality is that of the number of firearms that were seized last year across the country — well over 30,000 — the national tracing centre under the Canadian firearms program traced just a very small percentage of those handguns and other firearms.”[viii]

“We are taking effective steps in Bill C-21 to address all of the ways in which criminals gain access to guns,” Bill Blair claimed.

Why Canadians continue to believe this Liberal lie is even more troubling.

Further restricting the lawful ownership and use of firearms is not the solution to lax border controls, yet, for reasons we do not fathom – Canadians continue to believe Bill Blair’s Liberal lies.

The legal purchase of handguns by licensed and RCMP-vetted firearm owners is not the scary bogeyman this lying Liberal government would have you believe.

There's Still Time

If you want to have a say in who becomes the next leader of the Conservative Party of Canada – a leader who will look out for the rights of lawful gun owners and put the focus back on gun smuggling and violent criminals with guns – you still have time to buy a membership. The deadline is TODAY, June 3rd at 11:59 p.m.

Make your voice count! Get your $15 membership HERE: https://donate.conservative.ca/en/membership-poilievre/

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[IronNoggin]

Canada does not have a ‘gun problem’; we have a ‘crime problem

Dear editor,

Re: June 1 editorial – Gun control a shared issue

What happened at that Texas school was a gut-wrenching tragedy. One of the things that makes it even worse (if such a thing was possible) is when opportunistic politicians and ideologues try to exploit the tragedy and the fragile emotional state of its aftermath in an attempt to thrust forward their agenda. “Never waste a crisis,” they cry.

One of the first obstacles to having a ‘conversation’ about ‘gun control’ (a very broad subject which does not lend itself to finding specific, effective solutions) is that the people crying loudest for gun control are almost all ignorant. Ignorant of the facts – particularly regarding the current, extremely strict laws in Canada.

It’s not my intent to be insulting, it’s just a fact. Legal gun owners in Canada, some of the most vetted citizens, face criminal prosecution if we make even the slightest error related to storage, transportation or paperwork. As such, we make it a point to fully educate ourselves on all those pitfalls so as to avoid jail. In my experience, the average legal gun owner in Canada understands the minefield of Canadian gun law better than the average police officer (unless he/she too is a private, legal gun owner – many are).

Justin Trudeau is just such an opportunistic politician/ideologue. He and his colleagues cannot stand the private ownership of guns and are constantly on the lookout for tragic opportunities to exploit. He did it with the Nova Scotia murders and he’s done it again with the Texas tragedy. He has metaphorically climbed onto the bodies of dead children to manipulate your emotions. It’s absolutely disgusting.

Nothing he announced on May 30 would have any effect on a similar incident nor is any of it even related to that particular horrific event. It’s all just posturing and virtue-signalling – Trudeau’s particular specialty. Naturally, the media gobbles it up and regurgitates it back to its ignorant audience, further misinforming them.

We do not have a ‘gun problem’ in Canada. We have a ‘crime problem’ in which unlicensed criminals misuse illegal handguns in support of their illegal drug trade. How is freezing the legal commerce of handguns going to fix that? It won’t. Contrary to the Black Press editorial, ‘straw purchases’ by licensed gun owners and theft of legal guns only accounts for an extremely minor source of crime guns. It is well known that over 80 per cent of crime guns in Toronto are illegal, smuggled handguns.

I haven’t the space to correct the rest of the misinformation in the editorial but I’ll mention two other misleading statements: a. There has not been 30 x K – 12 ‘school shootings’ so far this year. That figure covers all gun-related activity in the environs of a school. Included in that are incidents not related to a school or on school property. In fact there have only been 13 incidents in the past 60 years that meet the criteria for a ‘school mass shooting.’ (Yes, I agree, one is too many.) And b. The US does not lead the world in murder, gun crime or school shootings. These are facts you can verify and not just parrot the talking points of the anti-gun lobby.

Herein lies a major problem. As long as we are distracted by ever increasing restrictions on the legal gun community, we are wasting time and resources that should be spent on the actual root causes of our crime problem. Yet, following a tragedy, the politicians and media parade out the ‘usual suspects’ of the anti-gun lobby who spew false statistics, half truths and outright lies while giving no time for comment from calm, articulate and factual speakers like Rod Giltaca of the CCFR. We can’t have that valuable ‘discussion’ if one side ignores all the facts and screams at the other side.

So why does Trudeau keep attacking legal gun owners? Simple. Because he can get away with it. Removing guns from private ownership is a pillar/cornerstone of leftist ideology. It has been for over 50 years. Trudeau is determined to pursue that ideology regardless of public safety or the actual facts. His main aim, however, is not to sacrifice any power in the pursuit of that ideology.

Enter 2.25 million licensed gun owners. We are lost to him. We will never vote for his party so we don’t matter. He can toy with us as he wishes and appear to be ‘doing something’ when actually he is doing nothing meaningful. All while never losing a single vote. He gains votes among the ill-informed general public and boasts about it in his party’s re-election propaganda.

Remember, more criminals vote liberal than legal gun owners. So, rather than go after actual criminals in a full court press, he wastes resources and tax dollars attacking a safe minority group. This clouds the real issues and nothing of any efficacy gets done.

Finally, to all those who cry, “why does anyone need a (insert handgun, semi-auto rifle etc). Much of the private property we own in Canada is not needed. Why does each household need more that one car? Particularly when cars kill more than 10 times the people than guns (suicides account for more than 60% of all gun-related deaths). A killer in Toronto murdered 10 people using a white van (5 times more victims than those shot and killed on Danforth). Where are the cries to ban ‘assault vans’? Why do we need motorcycles that can exceed 200kms/hr? What’s the fascination with ‘scary’ dog breeds that intimidate pedestrians and attack children?

‘Need’ has nothing to do with it. If, in pursuit of ideology, politicians decide, on a whim and contrary to all logic and facts, to outlaw the legally-obtained private property of citizens who have done no wrong, the onus is on them to prove their case. They have failed to do so. So what’s next? Ban antique cars in the name of climate change? Ban the aforementioned ‘scary’ dog breeds? Why not? Most of the rifles on his banned list from 2020 have never been used in a crime and are only on the list because they are ‘scary-looking.’

D.J. Vernon,
Comox

https://www.comoxvalleyrecord.com/op...e-problem/amp/

[59whiskers]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

Canada does not have a ‘gun problem’; we have a ‘crime problem

Dear editor,

Re: June 1 editorial – Gun control a shared issue

What happened at that Texas school was a gut-wrenching tragedy. One of the things that makes it even worse (if such a thing was possible) is when opportunistic politicians and ideologues try to exploit the tragedy and the fragile emotional state of its aftermath in an attempt to thrust forward their agenda. “Never waste a crisis,” they cry.

One of the first obstacles to having a ‘conversation’ about ‘gun control’ (a very broad subject which does not lend itself to finding specific, effective solutions) is that the people crying loudest for gun control are almost all ignorant. Ignorant of the facts – particularly regarding the current, extremely strict laws in Canada.

It’s not my intent to be insulting, it’s just a fact. Legal gun owners in Canada, some of the most vetted citizens, face criminal prosecution if we make even the slightest error related to storage, transportation or paperwork. As such, we make it a point to fully educate ourselves on all those pitfalls so as to avoid jail. In my experience, the average legal gun owner in Canada understands the minefield of Canadian gun law better than the average police officer (unless he/she too is a private, legal gun owner – many are).

Justin Trudeau is just such an opportunistic politician/ideologue. He and his colleagues cannot stand the private ownership of guns and are constantly on the lookout for tragic opportunities to exploit. He did it with the Nova Scotia murders and he’s done it again with the Texas tragedy. He has metaphorically climbed onto the bodies of dead children to manipulate your emotions. It’s absolutely disgusting.

Nothing he announced on May 30 would have any effect on a similar incident nor is any of it even related to that particular horrific event. It’s all just posturing and virtue-signalling – Trudeau’s particular specialty. Naturally, the media gobbles it up and regurgitates it back to its ignorant audience, further misinforming them.

We do not have a ‘gun problem’ in Canada. We have a ‘crime problem’ in which unlicensed criminals misuse illegal handguns in support of their illegal drug trade. How is freezing the legal commerce of handguns going to fix that? It won’t. Contrary to the Black Press editorial, ‘straw purchases’ by licensed gun owners and theft of legal guns only accounts for an extremely minor source of crime guns. It is well known that over 80 per cent of crime guns in Toronto are illegal, smuggled handguns.

I haven’t the space to correct the rest of the misinformation in the editorial but I’ll mention two other misleading statements: a. There has not been 30 x K – 12 ‘school shootings’ so far this year. That figure covers all gun-related activity in the environs of a school. Included in that are incidents not related to a school or on school property. In fact there have only been 13 incidents in the past 60 years that meet the criteria for a ‘school mass shooting.’ (Yes, I agree, one is too many.) And b. The US does not lead the world in murder, gun crime or school shootings. These are facts you can verify and not just parrot the talking points of the anti-gun lobby.

Herein lies a major problem. As long as we are distracted by ever increasing restrictions on the legal gun community, we are wasting time and resources that should be spent on the actual root causes of our crime problem. Yet, following a tragedy, the politicians and media parade out the ‘usual suspects’ of the anti-gun lobby who spew false statistics, half truths and outright lies while giving no time for comment from calm, articulate and factual speakers like Rod Giltaca of the CCFR. We can’t have that valuable ‘discussion’ if one side ignores all the facts and screams at the other side.

So why does Trudeau keep attacking legal gun owners? Simple. Because he can get away with it. Removing guns from private ownership is a pillar/cornerstone of leftist ideology. It has been for over 50 years. Trudeau is determined to pursue that ideology regardless of public safety or the actual facts. His main aim, however, is not to sacrifice any power in the pursuit of that ideology.

Enter 2.25 million licensed gun owners. We are lost to him. We will never vote for his party so we don’t matter. He can toy with us as he wishes and appear to be ‘doing something’ when actually he is doing nothing meaningful. All while never losing a single vote. He gains votes among the ill-informed general public and boasts about it in his party’s re-election propaganda.

Remember, more criminals vote liberal than legal gun owners. So, rather than go after actual criminals in a full court press, he wastes resources and tax dollars attacking a safe minority group. This clouds the real issues and nothing of any efficacy gets done.

Finally, to all those who cry, “why does anyone need a (insert handgun, semi-auto rifle etc). Much of the private property we own in Canada is not needed. Why does each household need more that one car? Particularly when cars kill more than 10 times the people than guns (suicides account for more than 60% of all gun-related deaths). A killer in Toronto murdered 10 people using a white van (5 times more victims than those shot and killed on Danforth). Where are the cries to ban ‘assault vans’? Why do we need motorcycles that can exceed 200kms/hr? What’s the fascination with ‘scary’ dog breeds that intimidate pedestrians and attack children?

‘Need’ has nothing to do with it. If, in pursuit of ideology, politicians decide, on a whim and contrary to all logic and facts, to outlaw the legally-obtained private property of citizens who have done no wrong, the onus is on them to prove their case. They have failed to do so. So what’s next? Ban antique cars in the name of climate change? Ban the aforementioned ‘scary’ dog breeds? Why not? Most of the rifles on his banned list from 2020 have never been used in a crime and are only on the list because they are ‘scary-looking.’
P
D.J. Vernon,
Comox

https://www.comoxvalleyrecord.com/op...e-problem/amp/

We have a Liberal/NDP WEF problem.

[JeanCretien]

Originally Posted by 32-40win

Nothing too special going on. It appears Cdn Tire may be taking on a policy of recording personal info from PAL's and calling in PAL's, to buy ammo, starting June 1st. Keep an eye on that.

Thanks for the heads up. I bought BBs- for an air gun from them last fall. They were under lock and key, they checked my PAL and then escorted me to the parking lot. Never again will I buy hunting stuff from them.

[IronNoggin]

Originally Posted by JeanCretien

Thanks for the heads up. I bought BBs- for an air gun from them last fall. They were under lock and key, they checked my PAL and then escorted me to the parking lot. Never again will I buy hunting stuff from them.

Don't be overly hasty here.
I do not know where 32-40 got his information, but I checked with our local CT and they said there is NO such considerations. Not going to happen.

Their ammo has always been locked up & PAL required to purchase. The numbers have never been recorded, nor the PAL checked to verify. Date is good, you are good to go. The Owner here simply said "It will be business as usual".

Cheers,
Nog

[Pioneer2]

To buy BB's or an under 500fps airgun

[32-40win]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

Don't be overly hasty here.
I do not know where 32-40 got his information, but I checked with our local CT and they said there is NO such considerations. Not going to happen.

Their ammo has always been locked up & PAL required to purchase. The numbers have never been recorded, nor the PAL checked to verify. Date is good, you are good to go. The Owner here simply said "It will be business as usual".

Cheers,
Nog

Seems to me it was probably from customers or employees posting info on it at the time, may just be certain stores too. They are individually owned, and right or wrong, may choose to do as they see fit. No law req's on it that I'm aware of. don't think any have been proposed, yet. Although the BC legislation may get to doing something stupid like that yet, they have or had a proposal that goes way beyond C21.

[32-40win]

Alberta CFO and a CSAAA rep on Slamfire podcast regarding C21;

https://www.slamfireradio.com/episod...z7rXd_82WqP8aY

[32-40win]

Runkle's vid on C21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amRgFSwVkDo

[IronNoggin]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

To buy BB's or an under 500fps airgun

Missed that part. Is definitely over the top.

Cheers

[ghostguy6]

Originally Posted by JeanCretien

Thanks for the heads up. I bought BBs- for an air gun from them last fall. They were under lock and key, they checked my PAL and then escorted me to the parking lot. Never again will I buy hunting stuff from them.

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

Don't be overly hasty here.
I do not know where 32-40 got his information, but I checked with our local CT and they said there is NO such considerations. Not going to happen.

Their ammo has always been locked up & PAL required to purchase. The numbers have never been recorded, nor the PAL checked to verify. Date is good, you are good to go. The Owner here simply said "It will be business as usual".

Cheers,
Nog

The Sherwood Park location has or at least had a log book of the PAL used to buy ammo. About 5 years ago I tried to purchase some .22 ammo there. I handed over my PAL then the clerk took out the book to start writing down my info. I took the card out of his hand and said I would buy elsewhere. I have watched others be escorted to the till where they watch you pay and leave the store if you buy CO2 canisters.

[IronNoggin]

Originally Posted by ghostguy6

The Sherwood Park location has or at least had a log book of the PAL used to buy ammo.

As 32-40 clarified above, each store is individually owned and the owner can set some policies of his own as a consequence. I know this to be fact as my Lady manages the Seasonal Department (and previously managed the Sports Department) of the local CT here.

What you are seeing is not chain wide policy, rather the individual's imposing his own set of sanctions. In such cases a little chat with the fellow may be warranted. Or shop elsewhere. Your call.

Cheers,
Nog

[bat119]

Canuck tire in Lloyd, show your PAL to the 14 year old they take it to the till for you.

[igorot]

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

What you are seeing is not chain wide policy, rather the individual's imposing his own set of sanctions. In such cases a little chat with the fellow may be warranted. Or shop elsewhere. Your call.

Cheers,
Nog

Let you gubermint work for you

Collecting information is not just because you want it. There is storage, purpose, retention, destruction, security, .......... the whole nine yards. This must be presented if requested prior to providing your information.

File a complaint and let them sort it out

https://www.oipc.ab.ca/action-items/...complaint.aspx

[IronNoggin]

The Lawyer's Take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amRgFSwVkDo

[Stinky Buffalo]

Makes you wonder at what point shops like Cabelas will stop selling firearms and ammo completely and just focus on selling cheap hoodies.

[BlackHeart]

So once this legislation gets passed, I won’t be able to transfer my handguns to my son even though he has a RPAL. Hmmm?

So I thought, maybe should transfer them now. That way he can still inherit them......just a fair bit sooner.

Then I thought why? When I pass, I might have gone senile without anybody noticing and hid my guns in the woods. Maybe someone from my family took them without me knowing. Maybe I left them on the front steps......because I didn’t want thousands of dollars just getting destroyed by having to hand them in when I pass.

My last will and testament will be to be buried with my handguns, me face down with no pants or underwear...that way they can dig me up and Kiss My Adze easily. And haul my corpse into the police car and charge me with whatever you like.

So what family is willingly going to just let thousands of dollars evaporate when their handgun owning parents die? Not many. Plus these guns will now be quite a bit more valuable on the black market....so tens of thousands in value.

Soooo is he an idiot and by not allowing inheritance or transfer, indirectly creating huge $$$ incentives for legal handguns to be now expanding into the number of illegal handguns in Canada?

Are they going to start requiring a test of your mental capacity, once you reach a certain age in order to keep your handguns? How about a test of your health....just so they know your not about to drop dead soon. If you get terminal cancer, will they come and seize your handguns pre-emptively. Cause that the only way they would be able to ensure they just don’t disappear.

Or.....is he a F! Liar.......and they do plan on confiscation within a few years??

[Soiler]

Biggest problem for the family transfer for me so far , is the fact that I tried to phone the transfer number 72 times today… never even made it to hold or an answer other than “We’re sorry that we can’t take your call”
Planned ?
At least the commercial sales can get it started in the system online… can’t find any commercial outfit with stock anymore…
we can’t fax , email, online anything…
Got thru to the Alberta CFO but they can’t help until it’s started out east…

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

So once this legislation gets passed, I won’t be able to transfer my handguns to my son even though he has a RPAL. Hmmm?

So I thought, maybe should transfer them now. That way he can still inherit them......just a fair bit sooner.

Then I thought why? When I pass, I might have gone senile without anybody noticing and hid my guns in the woods. Maybe someone from my family took them without me knowing. Maybe I left them on the front steps......because I didn’t want thousands of dollars just getting destroyed by having to hand them in when I pass.

My last will and testament will be to be buried with my handguns, me face down with no pants or underwear...that way they can dig me up and Kiss My Adze easily. And haul my corpse into the police car and charge me with whatever you like.

So what family is willingly going to just let thousands of dollars evaporate when their handgun owning parents die? Not many. Plus these guns will now be quite a bit more valuable on the black market....so tens of thousands in value.

Soooo is he an idiot and by not allowing inheritance or transfer, indirectly creating huge $$$ incentives for legal handguns to be now expanding into the number of illegal handguns in Canada?

Are they going to start requiring a test of your mental capacity, once you reach a certain age in order to keep your handguns? How about a test of your health....just so they know your not about to drop dead soon. If you get terminal cancer, will they come and seize your handguns pre-emptively. Cause that the only way they would be able to ensure they just don’t disappear.

Or.....is he a F! Liar.......and they do plan on confiscation within a few years??

Let's not give them a heads up and tell them our plans.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Let's not give them a heads up and tell them our plans.

Well, I’m hoping they see the stupidity of their actions. That the current legislative concepts will increase the problem of illegal hand guns.

That the only real solution is a buy-back which has already been shot down as way too prohibitively expensive and means sacrificing other cherished liberal programs or which then comes at the cost of the NDP not getting what they were promised....hence a non-confidence vote.

The more the CBC and other lefty media pick up on how incompetent this approach is.....or at the cost of other socialism program wishes....that screwing with the law-abiding and doing nothing to the criminals...and even making the problem much worse, will get some critical thinking happening.

Trudeau could probably afford to do a handgun buy back, but he’d have to eliminate most of the CBC funding....aren’t they willing to take a bullet for the common good...if it saves one child???

The cost should come at the expense of something they cherish as well. Completely Eliminate the CBC and all media subsidies and I would agree to a handgun grandfathering AND full market value buy-back upon death.....extremely reluctantly.