Leaking road oil running into the Crowsnest River beside Lundbreck Falls

[Sundancefisher]

I sent an email and a Twitter to Alberta Environment.

Not sure what else to do. Excessive oil used on the gravel road was flowing in beside the overlook as well as at the bridge.

[MyAlberta]

My favourite cutthroat stream nearby was eviserated from cattle. Rancher was fencing but the damage was done.

There are a few coal seams there, wonder if it does much harm?

[lannie]

Best thing to do is drive home and leave the fish alone. That is the best thing you could possibly do to help the fish. Will that fit your agenda?

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I sent an email and a Twitter to Alberta Environment.

Not sure what else to do. Excessive oil used on the gravel road was flowing in beside the overlook as well as at the bridge.

It’s not oil or “road oil”, pretty sure it is called lignosulfonate, a non toxic dust suppression agent. They use it all over in the MD and boy they lathered it on thick this year!

[RZR]

It's Beet juice! It's non toxic to the water that's why they use it for dust control. No harm no foul!

[Don Andersen]

Originally Posted by lannie

Best thing to do is drive home and leave the fish alone. That is the best thing you could possibly do to help the fish. Will that fit your agenda?

Albertans have been driving home and doing nothing for 50+ years. See what got us. Just take off the rose coloured glasses.

Don

[lannie]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

Albertans have been driving home and doing nothing for 50+ years. See what got us. Just take off the rose coloured glasses.

Don

Put on your glasses Don.... The most damage being done there is the fishing.
It's not oil. You Want to help the fish.....stay at home.

[Dewey Cox]

A few years ago the falls ran brown from the stuff after a heavy rain.
A good friend of mine worked for the MD at the time, and quite a few pictures of it came across his desk.
They use lots of dust suppressant right above the falls so the tourists can actually see them if someone drives by on the road.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

It’s not oil or “road oil”, pretty sure it is called lignosulfonate, a non toxic dust suppression agent. They use it all over in the MD and boy they lathered it on thick this year!

Sure looked like the dust suppressant oil they spread.

This stuff had an oily sheen.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by lannie

Put on your glasses Don.... The most damage being done there is the fishing.
It's not oil. You Want to help the fish.....stay at home.

Quite a statement on an outdoorsman forum. So all fishing/hunting is bad? Wildlife management is bad for wildlife?

[vinny]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Sure looked like the dust suppressant oil they spread.

This stuff had an oily sheen.

They don’t use oil as a dust suppressant. As stated before, it’s a non toxic solution that’s used all over the county roads. At least it is down here in the south.

[W921]

I'm not sure what that stuff they are using now is but its not oil. When they first put it on in the morning they put it on really thick and the road is horrible for quite some time after that.
The stuff will stick to your truck and I heard its very corrosive .
One time I had to drive through it after they just put it on the road. What a job washing it off the under side of my truck.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by vinny

They don’t use oil as a dust suppressant. As stated before, it’s a non toxic solution that’s used all over the county roads. At least it is down here in the south.

Obviously some get it, others, well let’s put out more bull poop on social media like “they are pouring so much OIL on the road it’s getting in the river”. Give your head a shake Sundance if you think they are using OIL for dust suppression in this day and age. Read my above post again, maybe look it up.

Call the MD if you have concerns.

[W921]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

It’s not oil or “road oil”, pretty sure it is called lignosulfonate, a non toxic dust suppression agent. They use it all over in the MD and boy they lathered it on thick this year!

I looked it up
Apparently its not corrosive, so that's good news.
It is hard to get it off a vehicle though.
If I see them putting it on I will just do a u turn and stay away for a week until it dries.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by lannie

Put on your glasses Don.... The most damage being done there is the fishing.
It's not oil. You Want to help the fish.....stay at home.

Not sure this is the right forum for your anti fishing sentiments.

And, I think reporting a concern that may impact a watershed, even if it's a false alarm or misidentification, was, and remains to be, the right thing to do.

I'm pretty sure even "harmless beet juice" isn't meant to be leaking into a stream as even harmless chemicals can cause other effects.

[vinny]

Originally Posted by EZM

Not sure this is the right forum for your anti fishing sentiments.

And, I think reporting a concern that may impact a watershed, even if it's a false alarm or misidentification, was, and remains to be, the right thing to do.

I'm pretty sure even "harmless beet juice" isn't meant to be leaking into a stream as even harmless chemicals can cause other effects.

I completely agree that it shouldn’t be leaking into the river. Just wanted to state that it’s not oil before everyone goes bananas. I can’t think it’s that hard to just call the county and ask them.

[RZR]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

Obviously some get it, others, well let’s put out more bull poop on social media like “they are pouring so much OIL on the road it’s getting in the river”. Give your head a shake Sundance if you think they are using OIL for dust suppression in this day and age. Read my above post again, maybe look it up.

Call the MD if you have concerns.

2x... The things they do in the country aren't like they do in the city

[Dolly’s Mom]

You could call it in to the Enviro hotline

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by W921

I'm not sure what that stuff they are using now is but its not oil. When they first put it on in the morning they put it on really thick and the road is horrible for quite some time after that.
The stuff will stick to your truck and I heard its very corrosive .
One time I had to drive through it after they just put it on the road. What a job washing it off the under side of my truck.

It's a by product of the sugar beet industry, doesn't mean it's benign. One of those "environmentally friendly " solutions.

Grizz

[FishOutOfWater]

Originally Posted by RZR

The things they do in the country aren't like they do in the city.

I'd wager that's why he's concerned... Out in the stix, they'll try to sneak anything past the country bumpkins.

Can't do that sh-t near or in the city, too many hippies trying to save the environment.

[WayneChristie]

Originally Posted by FishOutOfWater

I'd wager that's why he's concerned... Out in the stix, they'll try to sneak anything past the country bumpkins.

Can't do that sh-t near or in the city, too many hippies trying to save the environment.

Nah we just spray crap on the crops and tell the citiots it's good for them and they lap it up. OP was concerned and some people think that makes it stupid? Not everyone's a genius like you I guess

[NKP]

If you think it’s a problem for the environment report it to Alberta environment, 1-800-222-6514.

[W921]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

It's a by product of the sugar beet industry, doesn't mean it's benign. One of those "environmentally friendly " solutions.

Grizz

I think we are talking about two different things.
One poster on here said it was lignosulfonate. I web searched it and its from trees. Basically a fancy tree sap???? They are calling it a bi product of pulp and paper???
The beet juice I know they use on pavement in the winter to deal with ice.

[bessiedog]

So our non rainbow trout now come with a bonus rainbow....


What’s the big deal?

Why do people insist I always seeing the negative in things...?

[Map Maker]

Yes, very surprising thread on outdoorsman forum.
Silt is 100% natural but still can be detrimental to fish.
Creosote is from natural sources as well and they used to submerge that stuff until people got cancer.

Nothing should be going in the waterways. How hard would it be to just collect that before it goes in the river. And if so much is needed, just pave the darn section.

[wildwoods]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Yes, very surprising thread on outdoorsman forum.
Silt is 100% natural but still can be detrimental to fish.
Creosote is from natural sources as well and they used to submerge that stuff until people got cancer.

Nothing should be going in the waterways. How hard would it be to just collect that before it goes in the river. And if so much is needed, just pave the darn section.

My thoughts exactly. Milk is natural and humans can drink it. Milk is also 100% toxic to fish.....

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by NKP

If you think it’s a problem for the environment report it to Alberta environment, 1-800-222-6514.

I did. They will investigate. If none toxic. No problem. If applied incorrectly then AE willfix them.

Strange responses.

On the other shoe I would say to the poster...great job. Saw something leaking into a river and reported. Hopefully all will be well.

Some strange responses

[bessiedog]

But I want rainbow browns!........

[Don Andersen]

Originally Posted by lannie

Put on your glasses Don.... The most damage being done there is the fishing.
It's not oil. You Want to help the fish.....stay at home.

Really,
Your solution to pollution is for me to stay at home.
Good God.

Don

[FishOutOfWater]

Originally Posted by WayneChristie

Nah we just spray crap on the crops and tell the citiots it's good for them and they lap it up. OP was concerned and some people think that makes it stupid? Not everyone's a genius like you I guess

Is that all you have to add, troll ?