New rifle for the Rangers.

[Dick284]

-The Rangers didn't want a semi!
-The spec was chosen by the Rangers themselves.
-Made in Canada under licence because thats how military procurement happens, creating reliable supply lines regardless of international circumstances.
-Odd coluration of the stock performs two purposes, keeps indavertant lose to a minimum, and makes blackmarket sales distinguishable.
- As for the cost...thats like peeing in the ocean compared to other blunderous initiatives the Feds have attempted, and shelved/screwed up/or otherwise mis managed.

I know this likely hurts the sentimants of the arm chair defence ministers, or wannabe field marshals, but the realities are, what they are.

The rangers have no combat tasking, they are at best trainers and guides if Arctic combat ever were to happened, Right now they serve as a method of bolstering Canadian sovereignty, without having an inflated cost of actual bases, personel and equiptment being there.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Dick284

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- As for the cost...thats like peeing in the ocean compared to other blunderous initiatives the Feds have attempted, and shelved/screwed up/or otherwise mis managed.

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I think that's what the Senators said about their expense account charges. That's about the biggest pile of BS for justification. And a secure supply line???? LOL They should have bought a gun from our biggest and safest ally next door if that was a real concern, instead of a country not even in NATO. You're grasping at straws here Dick. If you want to ensure availability of parts, modifications, etc, you buy a Remington 700. Simply no excuse for a $6500 HUNTING RIFLE. If

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Simply no excuse for a $6500 HUNTING RIFLE.

it just depends what rifle that is there are a lot of rofles i'd spend $6500 on and be happier than a pig in it

if it comes out to $4900 like was said above and that includes a 20 year no condition warranty that's a great deal for a rifle used in some of the harshest conditions!

a rifle used in that manner for that long will probably see a few barrels at least. at $1000 a pop it really puts the price right where it should be.

[Morpheus32]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

it just depends what rifle that is there are a lot of rofles i'd spend $6500 on and be happier than a pig in it

if it comes out to $4900 like was said above and that includes a 20 year no condition warranty that's a great deal for a rifle used in some of the harshest conditions!

a rifle used in that manner for that long will probably see a few barrels at least. at $1000 a pop it really puts the price right where it should be.

Thank you. I am feeling like a bit of a broken record trying to explain how we maintain weapons in the military. I guess some people just can't take in the concepts we are doing here. I think it would be more of a insult to the Canadian tax payer if we did not have a life cycle plan and viewed them as disposable. The cost would be well over $6500 if we replaced them every time they got damaged.

Having parts, and a repair process is critical to keeping the rifle in service for 30 years.

[Huntnut]

Some people just see that 6500 price tag and it's like they have blinders on-can't see past that number.

[marxman]

I feel like a broken record too maybe the military should change if they can inflate a simple purchase like this what are they doing with big items. I would cost much more to maintain it for thirty years than to replace it every ten and what about the ones that fall overboard or get lost or wrecked

[marxman]

if i understand it correctly the govt has also bought the right to pay them to maintain them is that right? what a deal

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by Morpheus32

Thank you. I am feeling like a bit of a broken record trying to explain how we maintain weapons in the military. I guess some people just can't take in the concepts we are doing here. I think it would be more of a insult to the Canadian tax payer if we did not have a life cycle plan and viewed them as disposable. The cost would be well over $6500 if we replaced them every time they got damaged.

Having parts, and a repair process is critical to keeping the rifle in service for 30 years.

It would appear you think Colt is providing a "life cycle" plan for repairing rifles "every time they got damaged". I'm sure there is a scheduled maintenance plan of sorts, a certain number of barrels per gun over the 30 years, but your posting like any time the gun gets damaged/wore out/needs maintenance/etc., it will just get serviced for free. Such costs are cearly not included in the $6,500.00, maybe there in lies the confusion as to why you think its an acceptable cost.

[Morpheus32]

Originally Posted by Trochu

It would appear you think Colt is providing a "life cycle" plan for repairing rifles "every time they got damaged". I'm sure there is a scheduled maintenance plan of sorts, a certain number of barrels per gun over the 30 years, but your posting like any time the gun gets damaged/wore out/needs maintenance/etc., it will just get serviced for free. Such costs are cearly not included in the $6,500.00, maybe there in lies the confusion as to why you think its an acceptable cost.

The spare parts, barrels and tooling are part of the price. The rebuild and depot level repair are part of the price over the lifespan of the rifle. so for the price, you get the rifle, all the parts you need for 30 years and the process to have depot ie factory level repair. If you just buy a rifle and have zero maintenance plans, how to you ensure the rifle is remains serviceable through its 30 years? Pay as you go? Your paying it forward with this option for the rifle. What happens if the rifle you buy is commercial off the shelf and the manufacture stops making it or the parts you need? How do you keep the rifles serviceable? who will do the repairs? How much will it cost? Have you had a factory repair job for your rifle? It takes months and the costs can be high. You have to have a plan how you will keep the rifle operational for the military. The rifle belongs to the military and is returned when a person leaves the ranger. They don't get to keep them.

All weapons are managed the same. We have pools of parts and a process to do repairs at the armourer and depot level. So a machine gun might cost $1000 but I am sure we have $5000 in parts, barrels and the 30 year lifecycle plan for rebuild. So why would we do it differently for a bolt action rifle? Our sniper rifles are managed the same way. In fact all weapons are done this way. Armourer repair and inspections are done by our military weapons technicians and depot is done by colt canada.

I am curious how you would maintain the operational capabilities of this rifle over 30 years. Buying a Rem 700 is not a guarantee of parts or maintenance.

[RatFink]

Cool rifle, but god that stock is awful. Put a proper walnut stock like the CZ entry or a pepper laminate like the Ruger.

[sikwhiskey]

Originally Posted by Morpheus32

The spare parts, barrels and tooling are part of the price. The rebuild and depot level repair are part of the price over the lifespan of the rifle. so for the price, you get the rifle, all the parts you need for 30 years and the process to have depot ie factory level repair. If you just buy a rifle and have zero maintenance plans, how to you ensure the rifle is remains serviceable through its 30 years? Pay as you go? Your paying it forward with this option for the rifle. What happens if the rifle you buy is commercial off the shelf and the manufacture stops making it or the parts you need? How do you keep the rifles serviceable? who will do the repairs? How much will it cost? Have you had a factory repair job for your rifle? It takes months and the costs can be high. You have to have a plan how you will keep the rifle operational for the military. The rifle belongs to the military and is returned when a person leaves the ranger. They don't get to keep them.

All weapons are managed the same. We have pools of parts and a process to do repairs at the armourer and depot level. So a machine gun might cost $1000 but I am sure we have $5000 in parts, barrels and the 30 year lifecycle plan for rebuild. So why would we do it differently for a bolt action rifle? Our sniper rifles are managed the same way. In fact all weapons are done this way. Armourer repair and inspections are done by our military weapons technicians and depot is done by colt canada.

I am curious how you would maintain the operational capabilities of this rifle over 30 years. Buying a Rem 700 is not a guarantee of parts or maintenance.

As i understand it, slowly but surely lol, the initial cost is licensing and tool up, for colt Canada, the initial cost is high because of this? Once production is in full swing, after the initial 1000 rifles, costs will drop.
Any competent gunsmith can and would give their left nut to get this contract, but I understand the govt wants some stability and reliability for the end product, hell, it only took them 30 years to get it done, I hope it works out for the Rangers.. Govt spent 2 billion on a useless registry for nothing, what's 50 mil for something that counts, peanuts in dip **** land.