Why the NDP will win.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Fiscal conservatives advocate tax cuts, reduced government spending, free markets, deregulation, privatization, free trade, and minimal government debt. Fiscal conservatism follows the same philosophical outlook of classical liberalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal...l%20liberalism.

Nowhere does it say that a fiscal conservative is in favour of abolishing taxes (aka theft from citizens).

Cutting taxes is reducing theft from citizens.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Cutting taxes is reducing theft from citizens.

Still stealing. Just like socialists.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Still stealing. Just like socialists.

Except cutting taxes results in less stealing, whereas socialists promote higher taxes, which increases stealing. You can't totally abolish taxes, and still have free health care, and education, or social programs, but you can reduce taxes, which is the best that you can realistically accomplish, in a developed world.

[birdseye]

Liberals and NDP are CANCER to Canada,this once great country will be lost if iether of these parties continue.It truley is shocking people still support them after what they have done.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Except cutting taxes results in less stealing, whereas socialists promote higher taxes, which increases stealing. You can't totally abolish taxes, and still have free health care, and education, or social programs, but you can reduce taxes, which is the best that you can realistically accomplish, in a developed world.

No you're wrong. Stealing is stealing no matter the justification. You're exactly the same as a socialist if you accept this basic moral premise.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

No you're wrong. Stealing is stealing no matter the justification. You're exactly the same as a socialist if you accept this basic moral premise.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Solid response from a person who is apparently down with stealing from other folks.

[mac1983]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

For the most part I agree. However I’ve followed Smith’s career over time. Went to speeches when she was wild rose.

I never got the sense she was all that bright. Notley IS far smarter and it shows to the average person.

In a perfect world I wish Notley was conservative.

There is lots of entitlement feelings on both sides.

A mature leader that can lead and keep stupid at bay would be a dream.

Maybe you could help me out on this Sun, as this goes to the OP's question since dividing the UCP party will elect the NDP.

You mentioned going to WR conventions and since the WR weren't happy with JK who was PC they wanted a WR candidate to replace him.

They got DS who is a WR but now they aren't happy with their candidate.

I was ok with JK as he seemed to be getting the economic file rolling, but he is history.

The people have to coalesce around someone as the next election is approaching.

What are we to do?

[ZJHoban]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Solid response from a person who is apparently down with stealing from other folks.

If taxes are abolished then where does spending for things like road maintenance and Military come from?

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by ZJHoban

If taxes are abolished then where does spending for things like road maintenance and Military come from?

The same way that you pay for people to grow your food, cut your hair, change your oil...

[ZJHoban]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

The same way that you pay for people to grow your food, cut your hair, change your oil...

So the military and road work people will have storefronts?

I understand having some highways being privately built and maintained by tolls.

So you are in support of privatization of all industry in Canada? Education, health care, maintenance? what happens to the money that companies pay for the already existing infrastructure?

I could be wrong, but it seems like that would greatly increase the divide between economic classes.


Are there any other countries that have a similar setup to what you think would be best?

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by ZJHoban

So the military and road work people will have storefronts?

I understand having some highways being privately built and maintained by tolls.

So you are in support of privatization of all industry in Canada? Education, health care, maintenance? what happens to the money that companies pay for the already existing infrastructure?

I could be wrong, but it seems like that would greatly increase the divide between economic classes.


Are there any other countries that have a similar setup to what you think would be best?

Yes, of course privatize everything. User pay. All existing infrastructure is sold. There will be problems of course as utopia doesn't exist. Lots of material you can read on these ideas they aren't new.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Yes, of course privatize everything. User pay. All existing infrastructure is sold. There will be problems of course as utopia doesn't exist. Lots of material you can read on these ideas they aren't new.

Do we all agree that stealing is wrong?

If so, you can't reconcile support of government theft...no matter what the stolen funds are used for.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You seem oblivious to what’s been posted.

Following any political leader blindly is a fools game regardless of political leanings. But some seem to boldly follow and ignore any problems.

I’ve pointed out problems that conservatives need to address and quickly or else.

For the record. I have always said I’m a strong C fiscal conservative.

I don’t have blinders on and can freely comment on what I see as currently fatal flaws in the chance of a future UPC win.

Someone like you… trying a passive insult by suggesting I’m NDP… is no different than others with their heads in the sand.

Refusing to see the broader picture and continuing to dwell on vaccines which is behind us, given so many more important problems out there is a failed strategy right out the chute.

We need to move on. Stop stupid infighting. Shore up a common sense plan for the future and explain it to Albertans. Transparent leadership is key.

Some of the comments here… hyper focused on one topic WILL mean the UPC lose.

Well said. I want vision and strategy for growth, stability and prosperity from our political leaders. A fiscally prudent run government that doesn’t just make across the board cuts but digs into what services are and aren’t being provided and how can they be provided better. That’s what I want from the UCP to earn my vote.

A washed up turncoat populist beating the same anti-mandate drum is not of interest to me. I don’t care about WEF conspiracies, I don’t care about vaccines, and I don’t particularly care for the brash type politics that has come into style lately with her saying she’s going to clean house in our healthcare with seemingly no actual plan on how to improve it beyond firing people and “restructuring”. Further, I’m sick of political leaders here who embarrass our province constantly. Kenney did a spectacular job of that and Smith so far is outdoing him in that regard phenomenally.

And I don’t think I’m alone in those thoughts.

I have never voted NDP in my life. Agree or disagree with her politics, Notley is a good political leader. She has vision for Alberta and her party plus majority of her supporters are fully behind her on it. As far as conservatives go, there’s nobody with anything like that. A bunch of different men and women with differing views under the same umbrella, trying to suck it up and get along (and that’s quickly unraveling) with most too pigeon hole focused on whatever issue they most care about, rather than like you say, the big picture.

Just look at this forum. The vast majority of folks on this forum are conservatives. 4 years ago you’d almost never see a word written in any sort of pro-NDP or anti-UCP. That’s sure changed.

[Redhorse Ranch]

Originally Posted by 3blade

Not yet elected

I wasn't referring specifically and solely to DS.
Most certainly, we have to wait and see how she performs in that regard.
I'm willing to give her some time.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

A fiscal conservative believes it is OK to steal money from citizens just as much as socialists do

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Fiscal conservatives advocate tax cuts, reduced government spending, free markets, deregulation, privatization, free trade, and minimal government debt. Fiscal conservatism follows the same philosophical outlook of classical liberalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal...l%20liberalism.

Nowhere does it say that a fiscal conservative is in favour of abolishing taxes (aka theft from citizens).

Quote from your link…

Fiscal conservatism is a political and economic philosophy regarding fiscal policy and fiscal responsibility with an ideological basis in capitalism, individualism, limited government, and laissez-faire economics.[1][2] Fiscal conservatives advocate tax cuts, reduced government spending, free markets, deregulation, privatization, free trade, and minimal government debt.

Now I’m just trying to figure out if you are serious or just trolling saying that a fiscal conservative is no different than say a socialist NDPer.



I can point stuff out but I can understand it for you.

For instance… this description is based upon US politics. US Democrats historically have been more conservative than Canadian conservative politics.

Still… as your link pointed… fiscal conservatives believe in low taxes and small government.

If you think all taxes are bad… then you are out to lunch. To run the country you need an operational budget, money for defence, healthcare, policing, necessary services etc. Money does grow on trees… even in the fringe zone.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

Well said. I want vision and strategy for growth, stability and prosperity from our political leaders. A fiscally prudent run government that doesn’t just make across the board cuts but digs into what services are and aren’t being provided and how can they be provided better. That’s what I want from the UCP to earn my vote.

A washed up turncoat populist beating the same anti-mandate drum is not of interest to me. I don’t care about WEF conspiracies, I don’t care about vaccines, and I don’t particularly care for the brash type politics that has come into style lately with her saying she’s going to clean house in our healthcare with seemingly no actual plan on how to improve it beyond firing people and “restructuring”. Further, I’m sick of political leaders here who embarrass our province constantly. Kenney did a spectacular job of that and Smith so far is outdoing him in that regard phenomenally.

And I don’t think I’m alone in those thoughts.

I have never voted NDP in my life. Agree or disagree with her politics, Notley is a good political leader. She has vision for Alberta and her party plus majority of her supporters are fully behind her on it. As far as conservatives go, there’s nobody with anything like that. A bunch of different men and women with differing views under the same umbrella, trying to suck it up and get along (and that’s quickly unraveling) with most too pigeon hole focused on whatever issue they most care about, rather than like you say, the big picture.

Just look at this forum. The vast majority of folks on this forum are conservatives. 4 years ago you’d almost never see a word written in any sort of pro-NDP or anti-UCP. That’s sure changed.

Exactly.

What we won’t hear is how much severance DS has paid out in her house cleaning… and how long it will take before her friends… surprisingly has similar roles with different titles.

Not wanting to be too pessimistic… but beware of someone screaming about problems while waving their hands and pointing all around them.

It’s usually a sign of misdirection to come.

Having a well articulated plan based on respectable experienced professionals makes me feel better.


Now I hear DS is bringing in an anti vax ex trump doctor to advise Albertans… give me a break.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Quote from your link…




Now I’m just trying to figure out if you are serious or just trolling saying that a fiscal conservative is no different than say a socialist NDPer.



I can point stuff out but I can understand it for you.

For instance… this description is based upon US politics. US Democrats historically have been more conservative than Canadian conservative politics.

Still… as your link pointed… fiscal conservatives believe in low taxes and small government.

If you think all taxes are bad… then you are out to lunch. To run the country you need an operational budget, money for defence, healthcare, policing, necessary services etc. Money does grow on trees… even in the fringe zone.

Exactly! You can't build schools, hospitals, roads, airports, military, coast guard without a system of taxation. To think otherwise is delusional.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Quote from your link…




Now I’m just trying to figure out if you are serious or just trolling saying that a fiscal conservative is no different than say a socialist NDPer.



I can point stuff out but I can understand it for you.

For instance… this description is based upon US politics. US Democrats historically have been more conservative than Canadian conservative politics.

Still… as your link pointed… fiscal conservatives believe in low taxes and small government.

If you think all taxes are bad… then you are out to lunch. To run the country you need an operational budget, money for defence, healthcare, policing, necessary services etc. Money does grow on trees… even in the fringe zone.

Sigh.Another collectivist who pretends he's not.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Exactly! You can't build schools, hospitals, roads, airports, military, coast guard without a system of taxation. To think otherwise is delusional.

Ya because only government money stolen from taxpayers is able to build stuff lol!!

[bridger2010]

I'm not trolling. You "fiscal conservatives" are just as keen to steal from people as socialists.

You just pretend your ideas are worth funding. Just like socialists.

[bridger2010]

Immorality running rampant on here.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

I'm not trolling. You "fiscal conservatives" are just as keen to steal from people as socialists.

You just pretend your ideas are worth funding. Just like socialists.

Thanks for the discussion and follow up. You’ve lost credibility. Sounds like you a a Freeman. Am I correct?

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Thanks for the discussion and follow up. You’ve lost credibility. Sounds like you a a Freeman. Am I correct?

Name calling. Typical leftist approach.

Not a freeman....wrong again.

What's your home address? I'll stop by and take some of your stuff. But don't fret, it won't be as much as other people might take from you so it's OK.

[MountainTi]

It appears DS needs a promise of cheap high speed internet to sway a few left of center votes her way

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

It appears DS needs a promise of cheap high speed internet to sway a few left of center votes her way

Like Ralph Klein’s Supernet!

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

Like Ralph Klein’s Supernet!

Which was a great forward thinking project by the Klein gov’t imo, given it was announced in 2001 when majority of those using the internet were on dial up at the time. Every community with at least one hospital, school, library or gov’t office. That allowed residents and businesses of those communities the option to work with local ISPs to get on high speed broadband. Those same communities would be in the stone age still for internet connectivity and paid A LOT more to get hooked up had Supernet never been implemented.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Name calling. Typical leftist approach.

Not a freeman....wrong again.

What's your home address? I'll stop by and take some of your stuff. But don't fret, it won't be as much as other people might take from you so it's OK.

Actually. Read your posts. You are the one name calling. I asked a question as your comments are in line with the Freeman movement.

So you have a very passionate opinion.

How would you run the Province of Alberta if you were Premier and say had absolute power?

Curious how you see the real world operating. Is it no taxes… everyone pays as they go? Free for all if you have the money and tough luck if you don’t? Zero public healthcare? Zero public police? Private schools only?

I see lots of complaining from you and name calling but zero ideas and solutions.

1​010 26 Avenue SE

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by mac1983

Maybe you could help me out on this Sun, as this goes to the OP's question since dividing the UCP party will elect the NDP.

You mentioned going to WR conventions and since the WR weren't happy with JK who was PC they wanted a WR candidate to replace him.

They got DS who is a WR but now they aren't happy with their candidate.

I was ok with JK as he seemed to be getting the economic file rolling, but he is history.

The people have to coalesce around someone as the next election is approaching.

What are we to do?

Never said I went to Wildrose conventions. As it typical with most politicians… they like to go to other functions and speak.

Dividing the UPC worse than it is already can totally give the NDP another spending power trip.

DS wasn’t Wildrose. She was a power hungry turncoat at the time. Has she changed. That’s for her to prove to Albertans.

JK screwed up by trying to appease everyone and instead annoying everyone.

Kenny had political savvy in a country where it’s needed given the media is so biased. His ability to speak fluent French was a huge asset that people failed to realize.

Now DS must snap out of the fringe and meet the mainstream head on with intelligence and common sense. Or else people on the fence will decide to go elsewhere or not vote. Either or is bad for the UPC.

[roper1]

Now Sundancefisher, I love you dearly. And I can't put you on 'Ignore' cause, well, I'm not supposed to. But for all that's reality, would you please identify the party as UCP instead of UPC?