Why the NDP will win.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Of course they do!

A very clear incentivization for Unions to make sure people are never healthy.

Same with corporations who make drugs.

You are a little paranoid. The contracts definitely could use some changes, that would massively improve the financials, and staffing, but to assume that staff are actively trying to keep people sick is ludicrous. Patients make more than enough bad decisions on their own that they virtually guarantee an unlimited amount of "business".

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Scott h

You are a little paranoid. The contracts definitely could use some changes, that would massively improve the financials, and staffing, but to assume that staff are actively trying to keep people sick is ludicrous. Patients make more than enough bad decisions on their own that they virtually guarantee an unlimited amount of "business".

Never said it was the staff, amigo. The allegation is against the Unions.

Query: Why, with all the "free healthcare" are people so fat, sick, and dying?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

State power is not the solution to what ails society. The deadweight of the State needs to collapse upon itself.

I would never accept a proposition to "run the Province of Alberta". What man has the authority to tell other men what to do? Such "power" is illegitimate and immoral.

I think you're missing my most basic point. If you are a proponent of the corrupt State, it doesn't matter which party you support. It's a uniparty system, varying only by degree.

Since 1867, Canada has had two parties "run" the country. Both pretend to be opposite of each other in philosophy yet the inescapable reality is that Canadians have been marched towards less and less freedom with each generation. Voting doesn't matter. Policy doesn't matter. Every year, the System layers on more and more regulations, more and more taxes. Neither Party has (in any meaningful way) repealed legislation or lowered taxes. Again, voting doesn't matter. The System is designed to march the country towards authoritarianism.

Again, whether you are a conservative, a liberal, an NDP... it doesn't matter. All the parties approve of The System. Regulations. Taxes. Oppression.

In 1867, Government was small. Now, only 155 years later, government is a behemoth with no mechanism in place to arrest the inevitable slide towards authoritarianism. The feedback loops in the System make this a certainty. Compare life in 1922 with 1952. 1952 with 1972. 1972 with 1992. 1992 with 2022. The slow march towards bondage. Suffocation. Decay. Basically, Eastern Europe during Communist rule.

The answer isn't to wait for a political saviour. A more realistic strategy is to actively participate in the creation of parallel structures, free of government influence. The first step in this process is awareness... awareness that government is not actually needed....for anything. Then...decentralize, decentralize, decentralize.

In addition to allowing citizens to live more robust, free, beautiful lives, the creation of these parallel (decentralized) structures will soften the blow when the System ultimately collapses under its own weight.

“When the activity of those who oppose the establishment becomes articulated it will be in forms, methods and ideas that are totally unknown, incomprehensible and unacceptable to members of the establishment – and that is how it should be.” (Egon Bundy, Civic Freedom in Central Europe)

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Polis

https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/e...iat/TheLaw.htm

Postscript: My question regarding your address was rhetorical. I have no interest in stealing from you or anyone else...not even if it's just a little bit of stealing.

Very odd post.

I asked how you would change the system after saying everyone is a socialist.

Yet you post links. The only sign of a suggestion is decentralize and your big “bam statement” is government grew in Canada from 1867 when there were 3.4 million in Canada and technology consisted of the wheel. Today Canada is 38.3 million and we have technology coming out our heinies.

I’m looking for a plan… a well thought out plan that you can articulate to show our existing style of government is bad when compared.

So far your notion of decentralizing government is massively flawed which you may have simply missed. Then you say decentralization comes before some fictional crash of society?

I’ll ask you this question.

What takes more staff to manage. One department overseeing all provinces or each province having their own department. Could there be waste due to duplication across provinces?

Please dive deeper into how a decentralized government makes people …

In addition to allowing citizens to live more robust, free, beautiful lives, the creation of these parallel (decentralized) structures will soften the blow when the System ultimately collapses under its own weight.

I see government needs a good house cleaning. Remove some of the duplication, lack of full work loads, poor performance. There are lots of good workerbee people in government but sadly far to many poor workers that bring others down.

But that’s a far cry from what ever you are failing at explaining.

Is there any country on the planet where you would live because they have it nailed down right?

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Very odd post.

I asked how you would change the system after saying everyone is a socialist.

Yet you post links. The only sign of a suggestion is decentralize and your big “bam statement” is government grew in Canada from 1867 when there were 3.4 million in Canada and technology consisted of the wheel. Today Canada is 38.3 million and we have technology coming out our heinies.

I’m looking for a plan… a well thought out plan that you can articulate to show our existing style of government is bad when compared.

So far your notion of decentralizing government is massively flawed which you may have simply missed. Then you say decentralization comes before some fictional crash of society?

I’ll ask you this question.

What takes more staff to manage. One department overseeing all provinces or each province having their own department. Could there be waste due to duplication across provinces?

Please dive deeper into how a decentralized government makes people …



I see government needs a good house cleaning. Remove some of the duplication, lack of full work loads, poor performance. There are lots of good workerbee people in government but sadly far to many poor workers that bring others down.

But that’s a far cry from what ever you are failing at explaining.

Is there any country on the planet where you would live because they have it nailed down right?

LOL!

Just keep voting bro.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

LOL!

Just keep voting bro.

Leave the thinking to other people.

Some may say it looks like you are not thinking. Just trolling. If you were a thinker you would explain your ideal societal social and governance ideal.

So far it’s just posting links… not thinking.

Telling us regardless of political party we are all socialists.

That voting is bad…

I’ll tell ya what. If you post something that has some intellectually interesting ideas… I’ll engage again in dialog.

Otherwise you can troll someone else for a while.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Some may say it looks like you are not thinking. Just trolling. If you were a thinker you would explain your ideal societal social and governance ideal.

So far it’s just posting links… not thinking.

Telling us regardless of political party we are all socialists.

That voting is bad…

I’ll tell ya what. If you post something that has some intellectually interesting ideas… I’ll engage again in dialog.

Otherwise you can troll someone else for a while.

You can lead a horse to water...

[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Never said it was the staff, amigo. The allegation is against the Unions.

Query: Why, with all the "free healthcare" are people so fat, sick, and dying?

I don’t know, lifestyle maybe? Spending too much time on open forums?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Never said it was the staff, amigo. The allegation is against the Unions.

Query: Why, with all the "free healthcare" are people so fat, sick, and dying?

You are blaming the health care unions because people are lazy, eat bad, and don't take care of themselves???? Sorry but that doesn't compute....

[Smoky buck]

There is definitely issues within Canada’s healthcare systems and unions but there is way too much crazy floating around this thread for a realistic conversation

But it is amusing lol

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Scott h

You are blaming the health care unions because people are lazy, eat bad, and don't take care of themselves???? Sorry but that doesn't compute....

One thing I've noticed on here is the proclivity to hypergeneralize.

Clearly, poor health is caused by a constellation of issues.

However in study after study, poverty is one of the leading causes of poor health.

The Unions do not hide the fact that they strongly support the political parties most likely to CREATE POVERTY through over-regulation and over-taxation.

So....Unions support the political parties that create poverty that lead to poor health that leads to use of health care that leads to more money for frontline workers that leads to...you guessed it....more money for Unions

[fishnguy]

Lol

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

One thing I've noticed on here is the proclivity to hypergeneralize.

Clearly, poor health is caused by a constellation of issues.

However in study after study, poverty is one of the leading causes of poor health.

The Unions do not hide the fact that they strongly support the political parties most likely to CREATE POVERTY through over-regulation and over-taxation.

So....Unions support the political parties that create poverty that lead to poor health that leads to use of health care that leads to more money for frontline workers that leads to...you guessed it....more money for Unions

Trust me the healthcare unions are not thinking that deeply or sinister lol

Looking for ways to get better funding, try to find ways to not work as hard, push for any perk they can, pushing for better equipment, more staff to lessen the work load, and they do create some bs management positions to try and move people up the ladder, and definitely push for some perks

They push their members towards the NDP because they know they will support their demands not to create poverty. There is also a ton of healthcare workers who don’t follow the unions voting advice

Healthcare workers are just people working a job not manipulating the word sharing a brain as union minions

Don’t worry my wife(healthcare employee) won’t vote NDP she can’t stand them

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Trust me the healthcare unions are not thinking that deeply or sinister lol

Looking for ways to get better funding, try to find ways to not work as hard, push for any perk they can, pushing for better equipment, more staff to lessen the work load, and they do create some bs management positions to try and move people up the ladder, and definitely push for some perks

They push their members towards the NDP because they know they will support their demands not to create poverty. There is also a ton of healthcare workers who don’t follow the unions voting advice

Healthcare workers are just people working a job not manipulating the word sharing a brain as union minions

Don’t worry my wife(healthcare employee) won’t vote NDP she can’t stand them

Never said it was a vast conspiracy involving every healthcare employee.

The Unions on the other hand literally had their genesis in organized crime...a cabal, if you will.

Guys are playing checkers when everyone else is playing chess.

[bridger2010]

"SNV Lavalin is just an engineering firm"

lol

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Never said it was a vast conspiracy involving every healthcare employee.

The Unions on the other hand literally had their genesis in organized crime...a cabal, if you will.

Guys are playing checkers when everyone else is playing chess.

I doubt they are half as smart as you are making them out to be

But I am not going to continue down this rabbit hole as it’s just not worth the debate

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

I doubt they are half as smart as you are making them out to be

But I am not going to continue down this rabbit hole as it’s just not worth the debate

I'm sure this is about his fourth or fifth round here, in a few days he will be banned again.

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

I'm sure this is about his fourth or fifth round here, in a few days he will be banned again.

Still on my first account from 2010.

Never been banned, thanks.

Why would I be banned?

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

I doubt they are half as smart as you are making them out to be

But I am not going to continue down this rabbit hole as it’s just not worth the debate

They don't even have to be smart. Just thugs.

[bridger2010]

lol wrongthink 2022

[Fisherdan]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Some may say it looks like you are not thinking. Just trolling. If you were a thinker you would explain your ideal societal social and governance ideal.

So far it’s just posting links… not thinking.

Telling us regardless of political party we are all socialists.

That voting is bad…

I’ll tell ya what. If you post something that has some intellectually interesting ideas… I’ll engage again in dialog.

Otherwise you can troll someone else for a while.

Just pointing out the obvious… Look at the dude’s name, and then ask yourself what lives under it.

[bridger2010]

Softness everywhere lol

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Softness everywhere lol

Can totally feel the love.....lol

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Can totally feel the love.....lol

The unearned condescension is hitting new highs!

(not directed at you to be clear)

[claykuch]

There are some NDP trolls here trying to sell their leftist, ideals. But we all know they are socialist gun grabbers...............

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Fisherdan

Just pointing out the obvious… Look at the dude’s name, and then ask yourself what lives under it.

I asked a fair question. He’s calling everyone socialist.

But he is unable or unwilling to share his ideal society structure.

He does the classic troll approach.

Not linking to provide factual backup or evidence.

He provides random links for people to guess what he wants or stew on and guess what he wants.

Someone who complains yet can’t provide solutions is okay for a while… but eventually it is just sad.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by claykuch

There are some NDP trolls here trying to sell their leftist, ideals. But we all know they are socialist gun grabbers...............

I haven’t seen any NDP trolls on here. Someone who presents a concern that could cause folks to vote NDP is a fair statement.

If someone has made a concern you think is false or invalid… by all means point it out.

Otherwise… mirror mirror on the wall…

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

I asked a fair question. He’s calling everyone socialist.

But he is unable or unwilling to share his ideal society structure.

He does the classic troll approach.

Not linking to provide factual backup or evidence.

He provides random links for people to guess what he wants or stew on and guess what he wants.

Someone who complains yet can’t provide solutions is okay for a while… but eventually it is just sad.

Lol!

You might be in denial!

Keep forcing people to pay taxes! Just like the socialists! I'm sure it's going to end well!

[bridger2010]

Originally Posted by bridger2010

Lol!

You might be in denial!

Keep forcing people to pay taxes! Just like the socialists! I'm sure it's going to end well!

What evidence do I have to point to in order to show that you, like the socialists, are perfectly fine with the State forcing people to pay taxes against their will? Identical!

[bridger2010]

I don't even know how to make it more simple to understand.

Taking money from people without their consent is theft.

You support the State's act of taking money from people without their consent.

You support State theft.

All parties support State theft.

-fin

[bridger2010]

Hypothetically, is it difficult for a person to live with themselves when they turn a blind eye, or actively support, moral degeneracy? Asking for a friend.