Alberta Bass?

[BGSH]

Originally Posted by avb3

Guess you refuse to understand.

Basic conservation says that if you can't prove safety, then you don't introduce a new species. The experiment back in the '80's by Smoky Lake tells us nothing. First of all, there were no impact studies done before or after, so we don't KNOW what the impact was, do we?

Secondly, the ecosystem of that lake may well not be that of any other introductions, whether on purpose or accidental.

We CAN'T know the potential impacts of a non-native species into our waters, can we?

And if we can't know, how can we, as responsible conservationists (you are one too, right?), advocate those introductions.

Too many of our native fish are already in trouble, and you want to introduce a competitive fish into that?

Doesn't make ecological sense at all.

They are just BASS, the most simple fish ever.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by BGSH

They are just BASS, the most simple fish ever.

No animal is that simple nor has no impact on the environment. Maine is having trouble with bass now and the usual bucket biologists:

"Smallmouth and largemouth bass are both non-natives but widely established in southern, central, and parts of eastern Maine. Since 1986, Maine fishery biologists have determined that illegal introductions have established new populations in 57 additional lakes! One of these illegal stockings occurred at Umbagog Lake in the upper Androscoggin River drainage, where they now threaten one of our nation's premier wild brook trout populations. Largemouth bass are being illegally introduced into many Downeast waters at an alarming rate with unpredictable consequences to long established, economically important smallmouth populations."

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

If you don't like hearing about BASS don't read the posts.......


BRING ON THE BASS ........

If you dont like reading what I have to say dont read my post.......

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

If you dont like reading what I have to say dont read my post.......

I don't mine reading your post they make me smile........

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Many many people on here will tell you Bass can not breed here

And they might be wrong.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

I don't mine reading your post they make me smile........

You're just mad 'cause you're getting your bass whipped on this thread. LOL

[gilbertslake]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

You're just mad 'cause you're getting your bass whipped on this thread. LOL

Flame War.......time to gather round

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

I don't mine reading your post they make me smile........

As do yours

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by avb3

Guess you refuse to understand.

Basic conservation says that if you can't prove safety, then you don't introduce a new species. The experiment back in the '80's by Smoky Lake tells us nothing. First of all, there were no impact studies done before or after, so we don't KNOW what the impact was, do we?

Secondly, the ecosystem of that lake may well not be that of any other introductions, whether on purpose or accidental.

We CAN'T know the potential impacts of a non-native species into our waters, can we?

And if we can't know, how can we, as responsible conservationists (you are one too, right?), advocate those introductions.

Too many of our native fish are already in trouble, and you want to introduce a competitive fish into that?

Doesn't make ecological sense at all.

Yes your right i refuse to understand someone as narcissistic as you if all people were as negative as you all albertans would be fishing a mere 4 species of fish but thats ok we are all lucky the fishery is not in your hands

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by okotokian

you're just mad 'cause you're getting your bass whipped on this thread. lol

lol

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Yes your right i refuse to understand someone as narcissistic as you if all people were as negative as you all albertans would be fishing a mere 4 species of fish but thats ok we are all lucky the fishery is not in your hands

Were even luckier its not in yours

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

You're just mad 'cause you're getting your bass whipped on this thread. LOL

Ive never been afraid of a fight win or lose. Now go back to work and quit wasting you bosses money

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Were even luckier its not in yours

Well we will see in a couple years

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

lol

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Were even luckier its not in yours

See i told you

[slivers86]

only 1 option, drive to a lake that already has them, and fish them there. don't need anymore introduced species here imo. Look what they've started doing to native populations that ONCE existed and thrived.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

No animal is that simple nor has no impact on the environment. Maine is having trouble with bass now and the usual bucket biologists:

"Smallmouth and largemouth bass are both non-natives but widely established in southern, central, and parts of eastern Maine. Since 1986, Maine fishery biologists have determined that illegal introductions have established new populations in 57 additional lakes! One of these illegal stockings occurred at Umbagog Lake in the upper Androscoggin River drainage, where they now threaten one of our nation's premier wild brook trout populations. Largemouth bass are being illegally introduced into many Downeast waters at an alarming rate with unpredictable consequences to long established, economically important smallmouth populations."

Look in to the revenue that bass has brought to main the numbers of turnys and tourist rev. is unbelievable. And the fact that main has 6000 water way lakes and ponds i don't think the 57 lakes are hurting their fishery

[avb3]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Look in to the revenue that bass has brought to main the numbers of turnys and tourist rev. is unbelievable. And the fact that main has 6000 water way lakes and ponds i don't think the 57 lakes are hurting their fishery

Spoken like a true "I don't give a rip, what's in it for me, besides what would science pro's know" bar room lawyer type.

You go for it!

[BeeGuy]

yep

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Were even luckier its not in yours

Originally Posted by avb3

Spoken like a true "I don't give a rip, what's in it for me, besides what would science pro's know" bar room lawyer type.

You go for it!

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

yep

Sorry I had to go guys but I had to leave before I ****ed myself every time this thread comes back up out comes the trio. Out comes the same comments oh if we let bass in we will destroy the fishery we have no idea what it will do but it will destroy something. The last time I dragged you guys around by the nose for 10 pages. You guys are so typical I know what you will write before you write it. I got to much to do to play with you this time.Face it will they ever try to introduce Bass in alberta again who knows if they do will i fish them sure. I lived in Ontario most of my life I've fished Bass all my life. If I want to fish Bass that bad I still own property in Ontario I can take a trip back for a week or two and fish Bass all I want. Any way like I said I don't have time to play with you so this time you will just have to play with yourself... By now thanks for playing.......

PS I did add Oki. because he only can play at work mom won't let him have internet at home ......JK....

[gilbertslake]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Sorry I had to go guys but I had to leave before I ****ed myself every time this thread comes back up out comes the trio. Out comes the same comments oh if we let bass in we will destroy the fishery we have no idea what it will do but it will destroy something. The last time I dragged you guys around by the nose for 10 pages. You guys are so typical I know what you will write before you write it. I got to much to do to play with you this time.Face it will they ever try to introduce Bass in alberta again who knows if they do will i fish them sure. I lived in Ontario most of my life I've fished Bass all my life. If I want to fish Bass that bad I still own property in Ontario I can take a trip back for a week or two and fish Bass all I want. Any way like I said I don't have time to play with you so this time you will just have to play with yourself... By now thanks for playing.......

PS I did add Oki. because he only can play at work mom won't let him have internet at home ......JK....

Most of what I know about bass is what I see on TV.
However, Nova Scotia introduced small-mouth bass to some akes there back in the 1960's.
Bass like warmer temperatures and don't over winter well, even in Nova Scotia with higher winter temperatures than here. The American service -men at Fort Pepperell introduced bass to Quidi Vidi Lake in St John's Newoundland back in the 1950's, but they soon winter killed.
I was looking at the Nova scotia government site and found this.......
http://www.gov.ns.ca/fish/sportfishi...sRpt265911.pdf
Gives an idea as to how bass are faring down that way

[BGSH]

Ice fishing for bass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_2H4Xv_PP4

[avb3]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

Sorry I had to go guys but I had to leave before I ****ed myself every time this thread comes back up out comes the trio. Out comes the same comments oh if we let bass in we will destroy the fishery we have no idea what it will do but it will destroy something. The last time I dragged you guys around by the nose for 10 pages. You guys are so typical I know what you will write before you write it. I got to much to do to play with you this time.Face it will they ever try to introduce Bass in alberta again who knows if they do will i fish them sure. I lived in Ontario most of my life I've fished Bass all my life. If I want to fish Bass that bad I still own property in Ontario I can take a trip back for a week or two and fish Bass all I want. Any way like I said I don't have time to play with you so this time you will just have to play with yourself... By now thanks for playing.......

PS I did add Oki. because he only can play at work mom won't let him have internet at home ......JK....

Horsetrader, we know it is not you we are going to convince.

However, there are thinking people on this board who have a conservation ethic, and rather then having a one-sided diatribe from the "let's bring what ever critter we don't have in Alberta so we can fish/hunt it" types, we are giving some balance.

Carry on, you obviously are set in your ways.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by avb3

Horsetrader, we know it is not you we are going to convince.

However, there are thinking people on this board who have a conservation ethic, and rather then having a one-sided diatribe from the "let's bring what ever critter we don't have in Alberta so we can fish/hunt it" types, we are giving some balance.

Carry on, you obviously are set in your ways.

Ok dude what ever gets you through your day ............ you are the one that knows the best....

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

all albertans would be fishing a mere 4 species of fish but thats ok

I'm not sure where you got your information but I can tell you, it's wrong.
Four species! We have more then Four game fish species in the Peace River, and we don't get any of the fancy fish they get down south.

According to "The Fishes of Alberta, Paetz - Nelson", there are 49 native species of fish in Alberta waters. Thirteen of those are classed as game fish.

With your very limited knowledge of our fisheries resource you would do all of us a favor by leaving the decisions about what is and is not good for the resource, to others.


As for me, I have no desire to add Bass to my list of fish I pursue. I am more then happy with the variety we already have.

As the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it, you'll only make it worse.

The introduction of non native species has a long history of disastrous consequences. Sure there are a few success stories. But they are the exception.

For all I know, it may be that Bass would pose n problem in Alberta waters.
But why take the chance when we have plenty of Fish species to choose from already ?

It seems to me that it makes a lot more sense to do what we can to enhance the populations we already have, rather then introducing another species to an already stressed fishery.

[BGSH]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I'm not sure where you got your information but I can tell you, it's wrong.
Four species! We have more then Four game fish species in the Peace River, and we don't get any of the fancy fish they get down south.

According to "The Fishes of Alberta, Paetz - Nelson", there are 49 native species of fish in Alberta waters. Thirteen of those are classed as game fish.

With your very limited knowledge of our fisheries resource you would do all of us a favor by leaving the decisions about what is and is not good for the resource, to others.


As for me, I have no desire to add Bass to my list of fish I pursue. I am more then happy with the variety we already have.

As the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it, you'll only make it worse.

The introduction of non native species has a long history of disastrous consequences. Sure there are a few success stories. But they are the exception.

For all I know, it may be that Bass would pose n problem in Alberta waters.
But why take the chance when we have plenty of Fish species to choose from already ?

It seems to me that it makes a lot more sense to do what we can to enhance the populations we already have, rather then introducing another species to an already stressed fishery.

Keg, this is just a debate so don't get mad at me, bass would not do much in Alberta Lakes except just exist in them, they are a great species to have in Alberta waters, now that being said to we need bass in Alberta, no we don't now would it hurt Alberta lakes, don't think so, so i am neutral, if they decided to out bass in Alberta lakes go for it.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I'm not sure where you got your information but I can tell you, it's wrong.
Four species! We have more then Four game fish species in the Peace River, and we don't get any of the fancy fish they get down south.

According to "The Fishes of Alberta, Paetz - Nelson", there are 49 native species of fish in Alberta waters. Thirteen of those are classed as game fish.

With your very limited knowledge of our fisheries resource you would do all of us a favor by leaving the decisions about what is and is not good for the resource, to others.


As for me, I have no desire to add Bass to my list of fish I pursue. I am more then happy with the variety we already have.

As the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it, you'll only make it worse.

The introduction of non native species has a long history of disastrous consequences. Sure there are a few success stories. But they are the exception.

For all I know, it may be that Bass would pose n problem in Alberta waters.
But why take the chance when we have plenty of Fish species to choose from already ?

It seems to me that it makes a lot more sense to do what we can to enhance the populations we already have, rather then introducing another species to an already stressed fishery.

Well LA DE DA there keg we've gone through the whole deal with the 49 native species and the 13 game fish the last 3 times this thread came up.
I was being sarcastic but I guess I should have held up my sign for guys like you SORRY. I have an abundant knowledge of the Alberta fishery. And as you can see the Bass has hurt the alberta fishery terribly. I for one am not asking you to fish for bass so don't get your pantaloons in a bunch. OH and by the way according to fisheries management theres 16 native game fish

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by BGSH

Keg, this is just a debate so don't get mad at me, bass would not do much in Alberta Lakes except just exist in them, they are a great species to have in Alberta waters, now that being said to we need bass in Alberta, no we don't now would it hurt Alberta lakes, don't think so, so i am neutral, if they decided to out bass in Alberta lakes go for it.

Debate is acceptable I do believe.

I don't know where you get the idea that Bass would have no impact on other fishes, as you suggest, but I doubt it very much.
Even if the species were benign as you seem to think, it would still have a negitive impact in most suitable water in this province.

It is a simple fact that for one individual to exist, another has to not exist.
There is only so much food and habitat to go around.

Even if we place the species, only in waters where no competing species existed, in time they would wind up in other water bodies where they would compete with native species, most likely to the detriment of that native species.

Moreover, as far as I'm concerned, we already have species that I consider better sport, better eating and better looking, then a Bass.
My opinion for sure, yet what is there about a Bass that makes it worthy of the risk ?

As near as I can tell, it's only the hype from Ontario that elevates it to desirable status. From what I hear, it has neither the eating qualitys of the Walleye, the sporting qualities of the Trout nore the ease of catching and numbers of the Perch.

So far as I can tell, all it has going for it is the ability to flourish in warm waters. And that I think is something we do not need. We do not have an abundance of warm waters. Very little in fact. And those waters already support populations of sport fish such as Pike.

That is in my opinion, the best argument against introducing Bass to this Province. Why introduce a species that would have very little suitable habitat, where it may well displace native species and where it will almost certainly escape to less suitable habitat with the potentual to hurt more desirable native species.

In short, as I see it, we have far more to loose then to gain by such an experiment. And make no mistake, it would be an experiment.
Even the most knowladgable most inteligent scientist can not predict what the outcome of such an experiment would be.

If there were a compelling reason for such an expriment, the risk might be worth the possible gain. Bit in this case, there would be very very little gain for a possible major risk.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Debate is acceptable I do believe.

I don't know where you get the idea that Bass would have no impact on other fishes, as you suggest, but I doubt it very much.
Even if the species were benign as you seem to think, it would still have a negitive impact in most suitable water in this province.

It is a simple fact that for one individual to exist, another has to not exist.
There is only so much food and habitat to go around.

Even if we place the species, only in waters where no competing species existed, in time they would wind up in other water bodies where they would compete with native species, most likely to the detriment of that native species.

Moreover, as far as I'm concerned, we already have species that I consider better sport, better eating and better looking, then a Bass.
My opinion for sure, yet what is there about a Bass that makes it worthy of the risk ?

As near as I can tell, it's only the hype from Ontario that elevates it to desirable status. From what I hear, it has neither the eating qualitys of the Walleye, the sporting qualities of the Trout nore the ease of catching and numbers of the Perch.

So far as I can tell, all it has going for it is the ability to flourish in warm waters. And that I think is something we do not need. We do not have an abundance of warm waters. Very little in fact. And those waters already support populations of sport fish such as Pike.

That is in my opinion, the best argument against introducing Bass to this Province. Why introduce a species that would have very little suitable habitat, where it may well displace native species and where it will almost certainly escape to less suitable habitat with the potentual to hurt more desirable native species.

In short, as I see it, we have far more to loose then to gain by such an experiment. And make no mistake, it would be an experiment.
Even the most knowladgable most inteligent scientist can not predict what the outcome of such an experiment would be.

If there were a compelling reason for such an expriment, the risk might be worth the possible gain. Bit in this case, there would be very very little gain for a possible major risk.

Per haps you should check your facts before commenting. Ontario is not the area that promotes Bass even though their quit abundant there. THey are far more of a challenge then your stock and restock trout.And if you think they are easy to catch it shows you never have.

They are not necessary a warm water fish they survive in cold water quite well.

As far as it being an experiment Bass have already been introduced with no noticeable problems. There is nothing to show that they can not be introduced in a put and take situation much like trout are now with any ill affects. But your right debates are acceptable and thats all this is. Its not like they are going to go out tomorrow and dump a horde of Bass in the lake........ OR ARE THEY....

[npauls]

Do you think bass would thrive at the Shearness plant ponds? They are warmer then most and don't seem to have many fish in them already.

Might be a cool spot to have bass, crappy, and blue gills if they could secure them in there and not have them spread out everywhere else.

I just seen another post about power plant tailing ponds and instantly thought of this place.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by npauls

Do you think bass would thrive at the Shearness plant ponds? They are warmer then most and don't seem to have many fish in them already.
Might be a cool spot to have bass, crappy, and blue gills if they could secure them in there and not have them spread out everywhere else.

I just seen another post about power plant tailing ponds and instantly thought of this place.

Yes

Cant secure them