What is Trump's appeal?

[Dakota369]

Can't say I like him.....cannot say I respect him.... but if I were in the states I would vote for him. He has done more for the USA in regard to the economy and general status on the world stage then any president in the last 15 years. Remember.......he is not doing this for profit...(he has money) but because he loves his country.

He is a relatively smart business man who will do whatever he feels is necessary.

Sometimes the best man for the job is the one who doesn't want it.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by raab

Pretty easy for me:

1) He's not a career politician
2) He's making life easier for small business by cutting regulatory red tape
3) He's lowered taxes
4) He stands up for Israel
5) He hasn't started a war, and brought troops home who were still fighting
6) He doesn't act politically correct to try and get votes, or bend for small interest groups
7) The leftist hate him

^^^ all day long

[huntwat]

For America and Americans he has been the best president in the last 60-70 years. Sure he is an ignorant self absorbed narcissist. So what. And as Canadians, we’ve got way more to worry about north of the 49 line. I wish he was our p.m.

[hunterngather]

Not even Trump could ever get our Oil Industry back to what it used to be.

Too bad the politicians are feeding the masses a return to the glory days. People seem to be betting thier lives on this happening...

I dont like the Libs but its easy to just blame Ottawa for the utter collapse of Oil.

[gman1978]

Another reason is because he is a Republican. Many do not like the left (including myself)and feel that they are an enemy to democracy, eroding their freedoms and pushing a socialist platform. They would never vote for that. No matter who is running they will always vote for the man that will help provide them with a job. When they hear statements like the uneducated vote for trump or only hillbilly trash vote for trump they just dig in a little deeper.

[huntwat]

Originally Posted by hunterngather

Not even Trump could ever get our Oil Industry back to what it used to be.

Too bad the politicians are feeding the masses a return to the glory days. People seem to be betting thier lives on this happening...

I dont like the Libs but its easy to just blame Ottawa for the utter collapse of Oil.

If Trump was our p.m. there would plenty of pump jacks moving up and down instead of stalled.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by raab

Pretty easy for me:

1) He's not a career politician
2) He's making life easier for small business by cutting regulatory red tape
3) He's lowered taxes
4) He stands up for Israel
5) He hasn't started a war, and brought troops home who were still fighting
6) He doesn't act politically correct to try and get votes, or bend for small interest groups
7) The leftist hate him

This is true, in context.

The overwhelming majority of the tax cut helped the rich. The tax benefit to the average American is negligible.

He certainly didn't start any wars, but he abandoned our Kurdish allies which demonstrates to me he either doesn't care to empathy and loyalty (although expects it from everyone else) OR is way over his head in foreign policy.

I will add one more, pre-covid, the unemployment rate was trending lower (favorably) compared to recent administrations. Some of this, of course, is carry over, and part of it giving tax breaks to large organizations who were able to reinvest in America.

The rest of the list, I'd say is largely true.

[hunterngather]

Originally Posted by huntwat

If Trump was our p.m. there would plenty of pump jacks moving up and down instead of stalled.

I don't think any politician has that much influence on a private market.

How can one person bring back Oil prices to the glory days?

[EZM]

Originally Posted by huntwat

If Trump was our p.m. there would plenty of pump jacks moving up and down instead of stalled.

How so?

Would he order the world to increase the price of our oil despite the simple supply/demand/capacity that actually drives commodity prices?

Would he order the companies to produce contracts at a loss?

Really?

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Here’s what I don’t get....

What did he actually do for the economy short of big business tax cuts that had a serious positive impact on their economy?

Most economists argue he was the beneficiary of a long overdue recovery swing.

Shhhhhhh. Trump saved the economy just like Ralph went back in time and chucked all those dinosaurs in a hole next to the Athabasca. Don’t you know anything?

[raab]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Here’s what I don’t get....

What did he actually do for the economy short of big business tax cuts that had a serious positive impact on their economy?

Most economists argue he was the beneficiary of a long overdue recovery swing.

So really...... what else? Lots of what he gets/takes credit for dosent seem to be factually based....

I kinda wish the old Reform party would have hot in. I’ve often wondered what Ross Perot would have accomplished as President. He was anti outsourcing.....

Cutting regulation and the tax rates boosted the economy more then anything. Every small business owner knows the headaches of regulations, and the hoops you have to jump threw to get anything accomplished. In fact its so bad I think every politician should be a business owner, before running for office.

[huntwat]

Originally Posted by hunterngather

I don't think any politician has that much influence on a private market.

How can one person bring back Oil prices to the glory days?

Not back to the glory days, but better than it is now.

Originally Posted by EZM

How so?

Would he order the world to increase the price of our oil despite the simple supply/demand/capacity that actually drives commodity prices?

Would he order the companies to produce contracts at a loss?

Really?

Has the oil industry tanked in the USA like it has in Canada?

[raab]

Originally Posted by EZM

This is true, in context.

The overwhelming majority of the tax cut helped the rich. The tax benefit to the average American is negligible.

He certainly didn't start any wars, but he abandoned our Kurdish allies which demonstrates to me he either doesn't care to empathy and loyalty (although expects it from everyone else) OR is way over his head in foreign policy.

I will add one more, pre-covid, the unemployment rate was trending lower (favorably) compared to recent administrations. Some of this, of course, is carry over, and part of it giving tax breaks to large organizations who were able to reinvest in America.

The rest of the list, I'd say is largely true.

The tax cut helps the average person because theres only one tax payer. For example if you raise tax on a corporation it will have to pay that out in 1 of 3 ways. The first is it can take it out of employee wages, the second is to raise the price of goods, so the consumer pays more, the 3rd is to take it out of stockholder earnings.(RRSPs, and Pensions suffer) So a tax cut of any kind benefits everyone.

[KC1]

Originally Posted by raab

Pretty easy for me:

1) He's not a career politician
2) He's making life easier for small business by cutting regulatory red tape
3) He's lowered taxes
4) He stands up for Israel
5) He hasn't started a war, and brought troops home who were still fighting
6) He doesn't act politically correct to try and get votes, or bend for small interest groups
7) The leftist hate him

Agreed

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by raab

The tax cut helps the average person because theres only one tax payer. For example if you raise tax on a corporation it will have to pay that out in 1 of 3 ways. The first is it can take it out of employee wages, the second is to raise the price of goods, so the consumer pays more, the 3rd is to take it out of stockholder earnings.(RRSPs, and Pensions suffer) So a tax cut of any kind benefits everyone.

Sounds like a concept that some don't grasp?

[KGB]

Originally Posted by raab

Pretty easy for me:

1) He's not a career politician
2) He's making life easier for small business by cutting regulatory red tape
3) He's lowered taxes
4) He stands up for Israel
5) He hasn't started a war, and brought troops home who were still fighting
6) He doesn't act politically correct to try and get votes, or bend for small interest groups
7) The leftist hate him

Based on that along I would vote for him even if he gets caught in a cheap motel snorting coke out of a hookers butt...

[amosfella]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Here’s what I don’t get....

What did he actually do for the economy short of big business tax cuts that had a serious positive impact on their economy?

Most economists argue he was the beneficiary of a long overdue recovery swing.

So really...... what else? Lots of what he gets/takes credit for dosent seem to be factually based....

I kinda wish the old Reform party would have hot in. I’ve often wondered what Ross Perot would have accomplished as President. He was anti outsourcing.....

A lot of improvements were realized by him cutting regulations that were unnecessarily tying businesses down. Most of these regulations were bases on terrorcrats justifying their jobs.

Also, he suspended personal income tax from June till the end of the year. Think of how much more you'd spend if the government didn't take a cut of your pay every check, that goes back into the economy.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Sounds like a concept that some don't grasp?

Agreed - so let's discuss YOUR perspective on this ... and please enlighten me ..... (without someone else rescuing you) - you seem to believe it's a concept I do not understand. If you know business, taxes, and how these work in the US ...... let's discuss it..... maybe you can help me correct my misunderstandings and bring me up to speed on what I've been missing.

1. Federal and State income taxes are regulated by the government - not by corporations who "enjoyed" a tax cut. One is independent of the other - individual (personal) income tax code, and business (corporation) income tax code. There's a clear distinction and clearly have different rules, rates, deductions and schedules. Companies can't take a penny more or a penny less that what is prescribed - Do you disagree with this point?

Further to that, the only benefit, which, in fact, has not been realized under the tax cuts Trump offered, is employer contribution. EVEN IF If an employer gets tax abatements, what's the REAL LIFE likely hood they are giving raises to employees (as a taxable operating expense) which yields back the taxable portion of their effective tax rates (lowering income) versus bringing that balance to revenue (increasing income) and taking a lower (or higher) tax benefit????????? Having said that, are these benefits disproportionate?. What is your perspective?

How long do you think the CEO and CFO would keep their jobs after the board (who represent investors and shareholders) see that they did this? would it be more or less than 5 minutes?

2. Raising (or lowering) the price of goods does not yield taxable benefits to individuals with the exception of lower proportionate sales taxes on goods that they, themselves buy - however, that effectively erodes the margin on the company (lowering tax revenues) that produced those goods. This effectively is negating the benefit proportionately. Am I mistaken?

3. The SEC does not allow companies to arbitrarily (without ratified shareholder approval) withdraw against shareholder dividends or earnings. That's against the law. That would be stealing YOUR investment. I'm not even sure how or why they would do that? The better way to look at it is that if the company isn't making enough money, the earnings (dividends) will yield lower ....so there really is a NET zero benefit do you disagree? Please Explain?

[jstubbs]

Honestly? I think a lot of it has to do with just switching up the status quo and the shake up he has caused US politics. Most just seemed so sick of the perfectly coached vanilla politicians whose every move was decided by focus groups and think tanks. They wanted someone who didn’t give a damn to blow up the establishment and shake it all up because clearly the path the US has been on for the last while was starting to really not work for some.

That and some days he just is like the embodiment of the American spirit. Proud, patriotic, bold, with strong beliefs while also being arrogant, selfish, and often over-the-top.

Personally, I don’t care much for him, but what I hate more is how divisive and hateful politics have become since he entered the Republican primaries in 2015, whether his fault or not. There’s no middle ground anymore, it’s all become tribalistic my team vs your team stuff. Sad.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by raab

The tax cut helps the average person because theres only one tax payer. For example if you raise tax on a corporation it will have to pay that out in 1 of 3 ways. The first is it can take it out of employee wages, the second is to raise the price of goods, so the consumer pays more, the 3rd is to take it out of stockholder earnings.(RRSPs, and Pensions suffer) So a tax cut of any kind benefits everyone.

I doubt this will end up on "Joe American's" plate to be honest. Some of what you are saying here isn't as simple as that unfortunately - but I do understand and acknowledge that healthier businesses do eventually benefit the entire economy.

The point I was making is that there was no significant direct benefit to lower income and middle class people in the US.

But I understand you general point. Makes some sense - just not that simple unfortunately.

[Rancid Crabtree]

I think trump wins pretty easily.
Just like last time.
Trump campaigns on jobs, America first over globalization and security.
Biden runs on environment and social justice.

Bottom line I think more people will choose jobs and a president who will send help to maintain law and order regarding the riots etc.

Interestingly we will likely see some rioting or disturbances no matter who wins. But I actually think Trump supporters are more law abiding than the leftist crowd.

[NCC]

Originally Posted by The Cook

He's a TV celebrity , Like the Kardashians , the yanks eat that stuff up (the uneducated ones). Kind of like turdo in Canada. Only one cure for stupid and it's illegal.

You’re severely mistaken if you think only uneducated rednecks support Trump.

[bessiedog]

Raab or someone

Can you guys point me to what regulations he cut that unleashed small businesses?

I can’t seem to find such stuff. I just wanna make sure it’s substantively factual and not an overblown little thing or an urban myth.

Thanks in advance.....

I’m pretty sure he just rode an economic wave/correction....

[bdub]

Among other things mentioned, he's a lot tougher on China than the previous administration. He and his advisors see how dangerous China's continued rise is to the western system of democracy and freedom. The world is better off with a weaker China than a strong China unless your a pinko commie lefty. Every country in that area of the world is hoping and praying for a Trump win in November.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by KGB

Based on that along I would vote for him even if he gets caught in a cheap motel snorting coke out of a hookers butt...

Your standards are very high please lower them a bit....

[Supergrit]

Originally Posted by EZM

How so?

Would he order the world to increase the price of our oil despite the simple supply/demand/capacity that actually drives commodity prices?

Would he order the companies to produce contracts at a loss?

Really?

This is spot on. Sure the government could have managed Alberta oil better and it isn’t all this government. The mis management of the oil started back in the Ralph Klein days and now we’re paying the price for this. No industry is going to do well when the world market has no use for the product. It’s that oil industry it goes up it goes down it will never change.
The best thing Alberta could do is encourage development of other industries and stop relying on oil.

[Chuck_Wagon]

Anyone the corrupt lying democrats hate, I'm all for.

[Osky]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Have to agree. Well said

He is not a politician. CLEARLY. He talks to people like he is the boss. Not what people are used to after centuries of listening to politicians. Refreshing in some ways. Downright WOW in some ways.

He is in awe of nobody. He would slap the Pope on the back......

He is an arrogant, self centered, goal oriented, greedy person who is putting his country first and above all at any cost.......he avoids taxes like we all try to do. Tax Avoidance is simply smart business. Tax Evasion is criminal. If he truly only paid $750.00 in federal income tax and is a billionaire, I think you have the right guy when it comes to finances

Id take him over the slimy entitled scumbag we have

This. As To what he has accomplished I posted on a thread here a month or so back 125 things he has gotten done in 3.5 years. Far and away more than any president.
His biggest appeal is that he does what he speaks of for us as a whole and what he thinks will work. He owes no groups or organizations political or otherwise. That’s the biggy. His decisions right or wrong are his. Never in my life have I seen a president get anything done without it being a blatant payback for this or that. He goes after both established political sides here equally shaking up their self made security blankets so to speak. Our DC political establishment has become nothing but a group of Kings and Queens living above and beyond the laws they force on the rest of us, he doesn’t owe nor fear them.
A note on the tax issue. Our IRS is formidable to say the least. When they are on your trail it’s with tenacity, experience, manpower, and 6 plus thousand pages of tax law. At Trumps level the only thing he knows about his filed taxes is the page he signs in the end. That’s why he hires a horde of good accountants. He has input I’m sure at times but questioning him on every little detail, which is one way they try to entrap you, is goofy at best. Been there, had it happen. Putting ANYONES taxes out for untrained public or media discretion is ludicrous. Let the pros at the IRS handle it they are the pros.
This 750.00 people are whining about, given what I’ve seen granted I’m an untrained observer, is actually the filing extension cost not his actual tax liability for that period.
Osky

[Roughneck12]

Originally Posted by raab

Pretty easy for me:

1) He's not a career politician
2) He's making life easier for small business by cutting regulatory red tape
3) He's lowered taxes
4) He stands up for Israel
5) He hasn't started a war, and brought troops home who were still fighting
6) He doesn't act politically correct to try and get votes, or bend for small interest groups
7) The leftist hate him

This. Don’t like him but like him more than the insane left.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

This is spot on. Sure the government could have managed Alberta oil better and it isn’t all this government. The mis management of the oil started back in the Ralph Klein days and now we’re paying the price for this. No industry is going to do well when the world market has no use for the product. It’s that oil industry it goes up it goes down it will never change.
The best thing Alberta could do is encourage development of other industries and stop relying on oil.

Are you claiming the world market has no use for oil? If so, I suggest you do some reading on oil demand. If we had Trump, we would have pipelines in the ground. That's the game changer in this market. The differentials we trade at is why our oil is industry is struggling.
Example:
$40 WTI is $53 CAD. Assume we lose $15 due to quality and $15 due to differentials and operating costs are $20/bbl. That works out to $3/bbl income. Now if you eliminate that differential of $15/bbl you would get $18/bbl income. AB makes 4 million barrels per day. That extra $15/bbl works out to an additional $60,000,000 per day! Or $21,900,000,000 per year! This is why Canada, Alberta and Alberta oil industry is struggling.