Examine the bore? Gun safety.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by chuck

Sure you are. You are demonstrating a complete lack of understanding on how firearms actually work.

Not a lack of understanding at all just the opposite, one end, the end we all should respect completely,,if not, will get you in the end....or others.

But to each their own. Just mentioned in the initial post something that stood out as a potential, miss a step and the last step, something that is habit forming will or can get you in the end, a step I leave out.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I prevent snow or mud or other obstructions by taping over the muzzle. If I have to check the crown, I verify the chamber is empty, then remove the bolt, then look at the muzzle. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that.

Spot on but I remove the bolt in this case and eyeball the barrel from the breach.
Tape the muzzle or those little thumb condoms, small balloon works too.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Spot on but I remove the bolt in this case and eyeball the barrel from the breach.
Tape the muzzle or those little thumb condoms, small balloon works too.

How do you check the crown by looking from the breach ?

[Bushleague]

Originally Posted by chuck

I've eyeballed bores many, many times. If the bolt is open or removed a rifle cannot fire. No matter how left wing you are.

Exactly, a little light coming in the action helps with the examination anyways. I cant say I've ever examined a bore with the action closed.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

How do you check the crown by looking from the breach ?

The crown area can be seen from the side, slightly higher than the rifle bore, not looking directly down, rotate the rifle to see the entire circumference.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Not a lack of understanding at all just the opposite, one end, the end we all should respect completely,,if not, will get you in the end....or others.

But to each their own. Just mentioned in the initial post something that stood out as a potential, miss a step and the last step, something that is habit forming will or can get you in the end, a step I leave out.

When you are in a hole the first thing you should do is stop digging.

A piece of pipe may very well get you (or others) in the end OR you may even be strangled by the very bore snake you carry everywhere to protect yourself from pipe. It is a billion times more likely you will meet your demise from something much more sinister like heart failure AND you could greatly reduce this risk by limiting your intake of life threatening foods.

The reason that people are so against your original post is not what is stated but the fear it creates. Antis use this same argument to limit our recreational enjoyment of firearms. "Handguns are obviously too dangerous for the average moron to carry so we ban or extremely restrict the carry of them" next came those scary black guns some of which are banned or restricted on colour alone.

You are adding fuel to the fire by suggesting that a barrel, basically a piece of pipe, is so dangerous that we shouldn't even be looking at it or "It will get us in the end". Obviously this would be a terrifying thought for a non hunter/shooter, is completely false and does nothing to promote our sports.

The other day I grabbed an uncased Beretta OU that I had just purchased out of the back of my car. Holding the barrel, in an open position I put the gun over my shoulder, grabbed my brief case and headed for the house. There was a woman standing on the side walk that looked so frightened I thought see was going to run screaming. It is ridiculous liberal rhetoric like you are spreading here that creates this tension between gun owners and non gun owners AND if left unchecked is the biggest threat to gun ownership for future generations.

[Rockman]

Also, a thought here is that to each their own. Some prove the gun safe very carefully then look down the barrel. I do. Others won't ever look down the barrel because they don't trust themselves to have properly proved it safe or are concerned with one day missing a step.

Neither are necessarily wrong. Do what works for you, be absolutely safe, and carry on.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by Rockman

Also, a thought here is that to each their own. Some prove the gun safe very carefully then look down the barrel. I do. Others won't ever look down the barrel because they don't trust themselves to have properly proved it safe or are concerned with one day missing a step.

Neither are necessarily wrong. Do what works for you, be absolutely safe, and carry on.

No, one is completely and totally wrong.

If you don't trust yourself to prove a firearm safe and/or you are too paranoid to inspect that the bore of your firearm is free of obstruction, you should not own or handle firearms.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by MK2750

No, one is completely and totally wrong.

If you don't trust yourself to prove a firearm safe and/or you are too paranoid to inspect that the bore of your firearm is free of obstruction, you should not own or handle firearms.

+1. If you are too paranoid to look down the bore after proving an empty chamber, perhaps you should take up another hobby. There is a huge difference between respecting firearms, and being afraid of them.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

+1. If you are too paranoid to look down the bore after proving an empty chamber, perhaps you should take up another hobby. There is a huge difference between respecting firearms, and being afraid of them.

x3 100 percent.IT'S piece of steel with nothing in it after you pull the bolt and see for yourself.If that bothers you than stay away from others with any firearm including yourself.
Paranoia can be very dangerous if not focused on the task at hand.Nothing wrong with being careful cause you have to be,but how much care is needed to empty your gun and check the barrel .

[Heyupduck]

Maybe we can all agree this is how you do not check the barrel of a shotgun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9umwdE8VoY

[qwert]

Originally Posted by MK2750

When you are in a hole the first thing you should do is stop digging.

A piece of pipe may very well get you (or others) in the end OR you may even be strangled by the very bore snake you carry everywhere to protect yourself from pipe. It is a billion times more likely you will meet your demise from something much more sinister like heart failure AND you could greatly reduce this risk by limiting your intake of life threatening foods.

The reason that people are so against your original post is not what is stated but the fear it creates. Antis use this same argument to limit our recreational enjoyment of firearms. "Handguns are obviously too dangerous for the average moron to carry so we ban or extremely restrict the carry of them" next came those scary black guns some of which are banned or restricted on colour alone.

You are adding fuel to the fire by suggesting that a barrel, basically a piece of pipe, is so dangerous that we shouldn't even be looking at it or "It will get us in the end". Obviously this would be a terrifying thought for a non hunter/shooter, is completely false and does nothing to promote our sports.

The other day I grabbed an uncased Beretta OU that I had just purchased out of the back of my car. Holding the barrel, in an open position I put the gun over my shoulder, grabbed my brief case and headed for the house. There was a woman standing on the side walk that looked so frightened I thought see was going to run screaming. It is ridiculous liberal rhetoric like you are spreading here that creates this tension between gun owners and non gun owners AND if left unchecked is the biggest threat to gun ownership for future generations.

Very nicely said.

Good Luck, YMMV.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by MK2750

When you are in a hole the first thing you should do is stop digging.

A piece of pipe may very well get you (or others) in the end OR you may even be strangled by the very bore snake you carry everywhere to protect yourself from pipe. It is a billion times more likely you will meet your demise from something much more sinister like heart failure AND you could greatly reduce this risk by limiting your intake of life threatening foods.

The reason that people are so against your original post is not what is stated but the fear it creates. Antis use this same argument to limit our recreational enjoyment of firearms. "Handguns are obviously too dangerous for the average moron to carry so we ban or extremely restrict the carry of them" next came those scary black guns some of which are banned or restricted on colour alone.

You are adding fuel to the fire by suggesting that a barrel, basically a piece of pipe, is so dangerous that we shouldn't even be looking at it or "It will get us in the end". Obviously this would be a terrifying thought for a non hunter/shooter, is completely false and does nothing to promote our sports.

The other day I grabbed an uncased Beretta OU that I had just purchased out of the back of my car. Holding the barrel, in an open position I put the gun over my shoulder, grabbed my brief case and headed for the house. There was a woman standing on the side walk that looked so frightened I thought see was going to run screaming. It is ridiculous liberal rhetoric like you are spreading here that creates this tension between gun owners and non gun owners AND if left unchecked is the biggest threat to gun ownership for future generations.

All it was is an observation that during a hunt the two fellas cleared the weapon to get over the fence on the other side they resumed the hunt...I stated that in the excited of clearing the weapon in this situation creates a possibility to miss a step along the way is all in which the final step may be the last.
I personally don't do it but if other do so be it.

Now regarding your handling of your beretta....na forget it....carry on.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Now regarding your handling of your beretta....na forget it....carry on.

Please elaborate, let the paranoia flow out of you.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by MK2750

Please elaborate, let the paranoia flow out of you.

Yes please elaborate.

[Fur]

Originally Posted by MK2750

No, one is completely and totally wrong.

If you don't trust yourself to prove a firearm safe and/or you are too paranoid to inspect that the bore of your firearm is free of obstruction, you should not own or handle firearms.

X4

[MartyT]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

All it was is an observation that during a hunt the two fellas cleared the weapon to get over the fence on the other side they resumed the hunt...I stated that in the excited of clearing the weapon in this situation creates a possibility to miss a step along the way is all in which the final step may be the last.
I personally don't do it but if other do so be it.

Now regarding your handling of your beretta....na forget it....carry on.

If someone is getting that "excited" clearing a weapon that they are unable to clear it properly before proceeding with whatever their next intended task is (climbing over a fence, handing your rifle over to your buddy, cleaning etc) you shouldn't be around fireams.

Most consumer arms are quite simple in their function to properly make safe. This shouldn't excite you so much that you skip simple steps (most common sporting arms take only 3 steps to clear.)

Once your firearm is clear the worst thing it'll do to you is maybe pinch your finger or if you drop it on your toe or it slides off a fence post and dings you in the head while you crawl under....

Cartridges don't magically appear in magazines that have been properly emptied, or breaches that have been properly cleared, or chambers that have been properly cleared.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by chuck

I wonder if that bore snake comes with eyes?

it's not an actual snake it's a cylindrical tube of fabric sewn to a string with a weight on one end. most incorporate a brass brush and absorbent material inside the tube of fabric.

you pull it through the barrel to "clean" the firearm

[bat119]

The rule of keeping body parts from in front of the muzzle originated in the muzzle loader days. Loading a flintlock with the hammer cocked could result with a discharge even with no priming powder in the pan ( going off half cocked) loading a cannon was a dangerous job a small spark from a previous shot could set off an unintentional discharge.

Modern firearms can easily be proven safe by checking the chamber.

Interesting tidbit
"Ready aim fire" was actually "ready level fire" because an undersized ball was dropped down a smoothbore musket on top of the powder charge, the musket was held at an upward angle until it was ready to fire to prevent the ball from rolling out of the barrel.

[gtr]

That "going off half cocked" I would stay is still an issue today, for some.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by MK2750

Please elaborate, let the paranoia flow out of you.

Your baiting me.....

The masses have spoken....

Enjoy the fall season, be safe, keep your powder dry, wind in Your face and aim true.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

it's not an actual snake it's a cylindrical tube of fabric sewn to a string with a weight on one end. most incorporate a brass brush and absorbent material inside the tube of fabric.

you pull it through the barrel to "clean" the firearm

Shhhhhh don't leak out all the info here....snakes have eyes and can strangle you as you dig a hole for hibernation...

Just having a bit fun with the troops is all.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by MartyT

If someone is getting that "excited" clearing a weapon that they are unable to clear it properly before proceeding with whatever their next intended task is (climbing over a fence, handing your rifle over to your buddy, cleaning etc) you shouldn't be around fireams.

Most consumer arms are quite simple in their function to properly make safe. This shouldn't excite you so much that you skip simple steps (most common sporting arms take only 3 steps to clear.)

Once your firearm is clear the worst thing it'll do to you is maybe pinch your finger or if you drop it on your toe or it slides off a fence post and dings you in the head while you crawl under....

Cartridges don't magically appear in magazines that have been properly emptied, or breaches that have been properly cleared, or chambers that have been properly cleared.

Yup....but....how did that Remington go off...she said it was safe...or was it a moment she forgot a important step or .... But....either way handle and treat all guns, weapons as if loaded...especially in the field....at the bench, when working on them in a non excited brain fart type situation...it's a tube as some say or a pry bar.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

it's not an actual snake it's a cylindrical tube of fabric sewn to a string with a weight on one end. most incorporate a brass brush and absorbent material inside the tube of fabric.

you pull it through the barrel to "clean" the firearm

Really? I had no idea.