Is this excellent shape?

Kurt505 · #1 10-05-2017, 01:20 PM

The ad said excellent shape, I'm guessing there was a little bit of exaggeration involved?

What do you guys think?

Guess what? He figures I got the better end of the deal but doesn't want to refund the money and take his excellent shape shotgun back.

MartyT · #2 10-05-2017, 01:23 PM

that's a very long way from excellent....hopefully it's still in the other guys' hands and those are the pics he sent.

edit: just read the line under the pics.....that's sh!t!!! I would nearly say that's fraud

elkhunter11 · #3 10-05-2017, 01:26 PM

Looks more like fair condition.

Jeron Kahyar · #4 10-05-2017, 01:32 PM

Looks excellent if it was a gun stored behind a farmers truck/tractor seat. Otherwise fair condition would be more appropriate.

Okotokian · #5 10-05-2017, 01:35 PM

if it's 50 years old then I'd say it's in good shape.

But excellent is subjective. I don't think there is really anything you can do. Does it operate well? If so, buff out the scratches and go hunting.

What did you pay for it? If you paid near new price, I'd be steamed. If you paid 30% of what a new one costs, quite yer griping.

Kurt505 · #6 10-05-2017, 01:36 PM

I have a screen shot of the ad, first words are "Excellent shape".

Kurt505 · #7 10-05-2017, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

if it's 50 years old then I'd say it's in good shape.

But excellent is subjective. I don't think there is really anything you can do. Does it operate well? If so, buff out the scratches and go hunting.

What did you pay for it? If you paid near new price, I'd be steamed. If you paid 30% of what a new one costs, quite yer griping.

It'll take more than just a little buffing and I paid nearly 50% of a new one.

gtr · #8 10-05-2017, 01:43 PM

Closer to poor as far as condition goes. Don't blame you for being upset.

Okotokian · #9 10-05-2017, 01:46 PM

yeah, it ain't anywhere near excellent. But alarm bells should have been ringing getting something in excellent condition for a 50% discount. But still, not excellent. Its why I've never bought anything site-unseen online that I couldn't return.

Jeron Kahyar · #10 10-05-2017, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

It'll take more than just a little buffing and I paid nearly 50% of a new one.

At 50% off you can't expect to much but that is definitely not excellent shape. Bit more than a surface rust and some.kissing bluing. Pitted pretty good in this picture.

Dick284 · #11 10-05-2017, 02:10 PM

Did you ask or see any pictures before you sent your cash?

Always get as much Intel and info prior to sending your hard earned money to a complete stranger.

I'd like to hear what the seller tells you when you circle back with your complaint. He might not know his ear from his elbow....but then again. But still give the seller the option to make things right by you. If he doesn't there are ways of indicating your displeasure.

Dean2 · #12 10-05-2017, 02:28 PM

That qualifies as poor condition. No where near excellent. Scratches and dents in the wood and untreated rust is not even worthy of a Fair rating. If this guy won't refund you then post the big negative review on him. I would also be pretty inclined to do a face to face with him if he was within a 300 mile trip one way. Depending on how you paid you could try "Consumer Fraud", it allows the bank a fair amount of latitude on returning/revoking payments.

Kurt505 · #13 10-05-2017, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284

Did you ask or see any pictures before you sent your cash?

Always get as much Intel and info prior to sending your hard earned money to a complete stranger.

I'd like to hear what the seller tells you when you circle back with your complaint. He might not know his ear from his elbow....but then again. But still give the seller the option to make things right by you. If he doesn't there are ways of indicating your displeasure.

He said it was in excellent shape, sent pics with a good angle and left out the damaged areas.

He said the gun is in great shape and that I got the better end of the deal. Then he said sorry if you got buyers remorse!

Ha! When I told him if he figures he didn't rip me off, and if he figures I got the better end of the deal, then surely he should have no issue taking it back.

I honestly wouldn't feel bad about strapping this gun to the rack of a quad with bungy cords, and this idiot says it's in excellent shape!!!

Kurt505 · #14 10-05-2017, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean2

That qualifies as poor condition. No where near excellent. Scratches and dents in the wood and untreated rust is not even worthy of a Fair rating. If this guy won't refund you then post the big negative review on him. I would also be pretty inclined to do a face to face with him if he was within a 300 mile trip one way. Depending on how you paid you could try "Consumer Fraud", it allows the bank a fair amount of latitude on returning/revoking payments.

I'll look into that consumer fraud, i have enough proof to show his ad was fraudulent.

Dick284 · #15 10-05-2017, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

He said it was in excellent shape, sent pics with a good angle and left out the damaged areas.

He said the gun is in great shape and that I got the better end of the deal. Then he said sorry if you got buyers remorse!

Ha! When I told him if he figures he didn't rip me off, and if he figures I got the better end of the deal, then surely he should have no issue taking it back.

I honestly wouldn't feel bad about strapping this gun to the rack of a quad with bungy cords, and this idiot says it's in excellent shape!!!

Try to get your money back.
Don't be scared to leverage your advantage through indications that you will post negative feedback if he doesn't.

You could always get Ken Vette on the case as well

The Flint&Fly Guy · #16 10-05-2017, 02:43 PM

Ouch, with the amount of used guns I go through I'm scared I'll hit one of those tho sooner or later. Please keep us informed on the actions you Perdue and their results.

warriorboy10 · #17 10-05-2017, 03:00 PM

Misleading adds!! Seller knows that is not even close to good condition never mind excellent. Is there much a guy can do once seller has your cash?

Buyer beware?

Kurt505 · #18 10-05-2017, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick284

Try to get your money back.
Don't be scared to leverage your advantage through indications that you will post negative feedback if he doesn't.

You could always get Ken Vette on the case as well

I tried all that, except for Ken. He figures it's better to take the money and run than ever sell on the forum again I guess. He lied in his ad, then refused to refund the money and take his crow bar back. The last thing this forum needs is a seller like that. I'm just glad I never lost more money than what I did.

I'm waiting to find out if I can post his ad with the top cut out of the pic to keep his name out, but I'll gladly tell anyone who wants to know.

Kurt505 · #19 10-05-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Flint&Fly Guy

Ouch, with the amount of used guns I go through I'm scared I'll hit one of those tho sooner or later. Please keep us informed on the actions you Perdue and their results.

I've done so many deals with so many members on this forum and this is the first dishonest member I have encountered. Hopefully the last!

BenC68 · #20 10-05-2017, 03:06 PM

Well well well. Let's tell the whole story here.

The gun is in excellent shape. Or at least was when it left my house. I sold it to you for $400 which was $100 off asking price. It's a timeless gun that will last generations.

That's clearly two guns you're taking picture off. The small rust on the top is negligible and the puts is not the gun i sold. As stated, it was more than fair to you. Have a good day

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Kurt505 · #21 10-05-2017, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Well well well. Let's tell the whole story here.

The gun is in excellent shape. Or at least was when it left my house. I sold it to you for $400 which was $100 off asking price. It's a timeless gun that will last generations.

That's clearly two guns you're taking picture off. The small rust on the top is negligible and the puts is not the gun i sold. As stated, it was more than fair to you. Have a good day

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I'm so glad you showed up.

THEN TAKE IT BACK IF ITS SO GREAT!

I will gladly send it back to you.

I'll take pics with the serial number to prove it's the same beat up shotgun!!!

Kurt505 · #22 10-05-2017, 03:15 PM

Pic you sent me

Pic I just took 2hrs after it arrived

I wouldn't go through the trouble of putting false serial numbers on a beat up shotgun!!!

We haven't told the whole story yet, but I'm hoping you'll stick around so we can.

1899b · #23 10-05-2017, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Pic you sent me

Pic I just took 2hrs after it arrived

I wouldn't go through the trouble of putting false serial numbers on a beat up shotgun!!!

We haven't told the whole story yet, but I'm hoping you'll stick around so we can.

Jesus that 2nd pic though. Thats terrible. Your supposed to carry your gun to your hunting sight. Not drag it behind the truck then call it "excellent condition" ...

Puma · #24 10-05-2017, 03:25 PM

From the description of the gun model in the ad, I would have walked away.

At least you actually got a Wingmaster Magnum and not an Express. Always make sure you get full and complete pictures before you buy.

WTS Remington Magnum Wingmaster Express 870
Excellent shape, pump shot gun that will never die. Comes with adjustable chock on the barrel (C , M, F). Asking $500 OBO

Kurt505 · #25 10-05-2017, 03:30 PM

Well since we couldn't just return things like any decent man would do, it seems all is not lost. Another member has forwarded me some information as to how I can recover my money when the other party is not willing. I took a screen shot of the add and description given in the add before it gets deleted and have the pictures that were later sent to me via text.

It really is too bad things had to go this way.

BenC68 · #26 10-05-2017, 03:38 PM

Not sure what you did to said gun but sure didn't look like that when it left and I have pictures of the whole gun.

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Albertadiver · #27 10-05-2017, 03:41 PM

Redfrog · #28 10-05-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Pic you sent me

Pic I just took 2hrs after it arrived

I wouldn't go through the trouble of putting false serial numbers on a beat up shotgun!!!

We haven't told the whole story yet, but I'm hoping you'll stick around so we can.

The first pic shows the rust bump on top of the barrel.

Time to nut up BenC68

Kurt505 · #29 10-05-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Not sure what you did to said gun but sure didn't look like that when it left and I have pictures of the whole gun.

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Are you serious!!!!

Lol, ya Ben, I rusted and scratched the gun you sent me in the 5 minutes it took me to contact you after it was delivered in the mail today.

I bought the gun because I wanted a wingmaster in excellent shape, scratching it up and making it rust was definitely not part of the plan!!!

AndrewM · #30 10-05-2017, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Not sure what you did to said gun but sure didn't look like that when it left and I have pictures of the whole gun.

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If you have more pictures let's see them! I can definitely see the rust on top the rifle in the original picture.