Is this excellent shape? - Page 3

Dick284 · #61 10-05-2017, 06:25 PM

It's interesting to see he has a Facebook persona. I wonder how long that'll last?

colroggal · #62 10-05-2017, 06:43 PM

Honestly, if the gun still functions well it's probably better than a new express. And there's nothing like a walking gun with a few battle scars.

That being said, there's a special level of hell reserved for people who lie about the condition of their guns. There are only two tv channels and all that is on are reruns of Full House and The Talk.

Colin

MK2750 · #63 10-05-2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Not sure what you did to said gun but sure didn't look like that when it left and I have pictures of the whole gun.

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BenC68 has not made any friends yet

sureshot73 · #64 10-05-2017, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Pic you sent me

Pic I just took 2hrs after it arrived

I wouldn't go through the trouble of putting false serial numbers on a beat up shotgun!!!

We haven't told the whole story yet, but I'm hoping you'll stick around so we can.

Looks like the pic he sent you was prob taken 5yrs ago lol, there's no way all the marks on the side of the receiver could be hidden in his pic.

Kurt505 · #65 10-05-2017, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sureshot73

Looks like the pic he sent you was prob taken 5yrs ago lol, there's no way all the marks on the side of the receiver could be hidden in his pic.

I'm not sure when he took the pic, but I guarantee I took mine today, about 2hrs after it arrived in the mail. The serial numbers don't lie so it's 100% the same gun.

Bergerboy · #66 10-05-2017, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Not sure what you did to said gun but sure didn't look like that when it left and I have pictures of the whole gun.

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I have no idea how you can sell a piece of crap like that and sleep at night. Remember, Karma will come calling one day.

Don_Parsons · #67 10-05-2017, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Not sure what you did to said gun but sure didn't look like that when it left and I have pictures of the whole gun.

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Let's see them then.

Don

Don_Parsons · #68 10-05-2017, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Pic you sent me

Pic I just took 2hrs after it arrived

I wouldn't go through the trouble of putting false serial numbers on a beat up shotgun!!!

We haven't told the whole story yet, but I'm hoping you'll stick around so we can.

If you expand the top photo of the side view you can just barely see the 2 rust spots on the top of the rifle.

My phone picks those 2 rust spots up easy.

Ben made sure he did not send a photo from the top angle looking down as it would of made a difference in the sale price.

Shameful is an under statement.

Don

dutch_m · #69 10-05-2017, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Well well well. Let's tell the whole story here.

The gun is in excellent shape. Or at least was when it left my house. I sold it to you for $400 which was $100 off asking price. It's a timeless gun that will last generations.

That's clearly two guns you're taking picture off. The small rust on the top is negligible and the puts is not the gun i sold. As stated, it was more than fair to you. Have a good day

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WELL WELL
You sir should be ashamed of yourself , that is something a crook would do ,
You know it and that's why you took the pictures a certain way ,

Be a man and refund him back his money , do the honest thing , you don't want to be known for this , life is to short to have this over your head , I can bet right now everyone is looking at all your posts and trying to figure out who you are ,

It's only a shotgun and $400 is nothing , even less when you resell it for what it's really worth in that condition ,

catnthehat · #70 10-05-2017, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BenC68

Well well well. Let's tell the whole story here.

The gun is in excellent shape. Or at least was when it left my house. I sold it to you for $400 which was $100 off asking price. It's a timeless gun that will last generations.

That's clearly two guns you're taking picture off. The small rust on the top is negligible and the puts is not the gun i sold. As stated, it was more than fair to you. Have a good day

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Seriously??!'
Two guns with the same serial number??
Don't think so and BTW I have bought and sold hundreds of shotguns and dozens of Wingmasters and that one is in poor condition any day of the week!

Cat

elkhunter11 · #71 10-05-2017, 10:50 PM

I am still having a hard time believing that someone would destroy any credibility that they had, just to sell a rusty scratched up shotgun.

Kurt505 · #72 10-05-2017, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I am still having a hard time believing that someone would destroy any credibility that they had, just to sell a rusty scratched up shotgun.

Me too. I think I just bought another one that is in better shape so now I can have that nice 870 Wingmaster that I can pass on to my boys and one I can shoot the heck out of without worrying about.

I would have rather only paid $300 for it but when I look at it that way I only lost about $100.

YoteStopper · #73 10-05-2017, 11:14 PM

If your looking to just salvage this one and make a "social work" scattergun out of it, pull the wood and refinish with tung oil, send the metal away for ceracoating/barrel chop and toss it behind the truck seat.

That is pretty beat up, I'd be unimpressed for sure especially at the sell price.

JD848 · #74 10-05-2017, 11:31 PM

What goes around comes around KURT,guys like that think there smart ,but karma is a bitch sometimes.

Dewey Cox · #75 10-06-2017, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Puma

From the description of the gun model in the ad, I would have walked away.

At least you actually got a Wingmaster Magnum and not an Express. Always make sure you get full and complete pictures before you buy.

WTS Remington Magnum Wingmaster Express 870

Excellent shape, pump shot gun that will never die. Comes with adjustable chock on the barrel (C , M, F). Asking $500 OBO

I agree.
I saw that ad and didn't think the gun existed at all.
As far as getting ripped off on an Internet deal goes, at least you came away with something.

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58thecat · #76 10-06-2017, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

The barrel is 24-1/2" to where it's attached and the bead is on the choke so once the choke is gone, so is the sight bead.

If anyone in the Edmonton area can give me a price on what it would take to fix this gun up for me I'd appreciate it. It'll need that rust removed as best as possible, the scratches in the stock fixed up and the poly choke removed and barrel threaded for removable chokes. Oh ya, and a sight bead installed.

Jeepers with the bill,that is coming you might as well lightly clean the shotty and sell it, take that money and the money you would have spent on the reverd and buy a new shotty....

58thecat · #77 10-06-2017, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt505

Well, not much left to do other then laugh about it now. I feel really foolish now, but since I'm laughing about it a red flag should have gone up when he sent this pic of the shipping package.......

Probably charged for the electrical tape too

Don_Parsons · #78 10-06-2017, 07:06 AM

I'm guessing Ben didn't take the time to read and follow the Canada Post guide lines from the looks of the packaging since damage "might" of occurred during shipping.

This is stated in paragraph 3.22

https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/m...-e.asp#1389620

Even if shippage insurance was added to this package it most likely did not meet the Canadian Post standards under their requirements.

Unforchanet that full discloser was not given before the actual sale, it falls on both parties to act in good faith when purchasing goods that can't be inspected before the exchange of funds.

I for one offer full discloser on any and all sales since this is a practic of good faith.

If any buyer is not satisfied after the purchase of any thing form us,,, we refund them totally and move on from there.

It is the houner system to the buyer and more so to our selves.

I'm sure this will get sorted, unforchanet in all, but it keeps us keen on our own buying and selling ideas going forward.

Don

lyallpeder · #79 10-06-2017, 07:38 AM

What pictures did he send you before you bought it?
Never mind I saw post 64

MartyT · #80 10-06-2017, 08:02 AM

Ben should also know that his actions can be considered criminal Fraud:

Per the Criminal Code:

380. Fraud

380. (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,

"Deceit" is "an untrue statement made by a person who knows that it is untrue, or has reason to believe that it is untrue, but makes it despite that risk, to induce another person to act on it, as if it were true, to that other person’s detriment."

"Falsehood" is a "deliberate lie".

"Dishonesty" is determined on an objective standard determined by what a reasonable person would consider dishonest. [1] Dishonesty can also include non-disclosure where a reasonable person would consider it dishonest.[2]

"Other fraudulent means" is a "term that covers more ground than either deceit or falsehood. It includes any other means, which are not deceit or falsehood, properly regarded as dishonest according to the standards of reasonable people" but include all other means that are "stigmatized as dishonest".

bobtodrick · #81 10-06-2017, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Donkey Oatey

What ever happened to caveat emptor? Buyer beware?

Sorry Kurt you got boned but leave a bad rating and have a learning lesson.

Ads for sale are subject to puffery. You know, old lady drove, excellent condition, would drive it to Vancouver. Without inspecting it first hand you take your chances.

If Ben isn't the type to give you your money back you are pretty much hooped.

Once again caveat emptor.

Look up the legal definition of "Caveat Emptor"
To be binding the add should have not had "Excellent Shape"...but "as is".
Then Caveat Emptor comes into play.
This guy definitely committed fraud and if Kurt took him to small claims he would most definitely win.

sgill808 · #82 10-06-2017, 08:26 AM

In my opinion, the right thing to do would be give Kurt a refund and let him keep the gun. But then again, I was raised to be honest.

Bergerboy · #83 10-06-2017, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bobtodrick

Look up the legal definition of "Caveat Emptor"
To be binding the add should have not had "Excellent Shape"...but "as is".
Then Caveat Emptor comes into play.
This guy definitely committed fraud and if Kurt took him to small claims he would most definitely win.

Putting "as is" "where is" and all those little word bits does not absolve anyone of anything. Wives tales.

MartyT · #84 10-06-2017, 08:51 AM

Caveat emptor I would suggest does or would not factor in this circumstance even if "as is" was simply added to the Ad. His description of the shotgun as excellent condition is a material misrepresentation of it's condition and I would suggest that the scrutiny of a reasonable person to it's condition would not find it "excellent condition" as is evident from this thread

Weedy1 · #85 10-06-2017, 09:02 AM

If I were Kurt and believed everything said to be true, I'd take him to court, report him to the police, and have Canada Post look into his shipping practices.

I'd also report him here: http://www.antifraudcentre-centreant.../index-eng.htm

Jack&7 · #86 10-06-2017, 09:31 AM

Yup...I agree with the others, Kurt. String this guy up with any means necessary...small claims, Canada Post, whatever.

For him to claim it was excellent and send the conveniently angled pictures he did, this would be a slam-dunk case in small claims. Get your money back, plus court costs, and this liar will have this registered against him for the rest of his days.

Ben...you are a scammer. Full stop.

It amazes me how some guys are willing to sell their integrity for something as little as $400.

Kurt505 · #87 10-06-2017, 11:12 AM

I'm not going waste my time pursuing legal action on the guy.

I got that sinking feeling in my gut when I opened the box and saw the rust. Maybe in his mind that is what "Excellent shape" looks like, but if that's the case he should have said "rusted and scratched, excellent shape". I told him that after I opened up the box and seeing the shotgun I figured it was worth $300 and even that was being generous. I gave him the option to do the return. He flat out refused. Maybe since he didn't see the rust he never seen the serial number in the picture he sent me either and thought he could get away with it. The way I see it I'm only out about $100, and I found a Wingmaster from another member that is in fact in great shape so now I'll have one to strap on the rack of the quad and one to keep to pass down to my boys.

I spent $30 on shipping it here, it would cost me another $30 to ship it back on top of the $400 I paid for the gun so even if I do the return it'll cost me $60 to have nothing.

Don_Parsons · #88 10-06-2017, 12:05 PM

$7 dollar Bush Hog time my friend.

Flat matted Army green paint, couple of Canadian Maple leaf template spray over stamps.

Even a Goose and Duck pattern to. Ha.

Kurt's New and improved Bush Masters custom one of a kind Bead Blaster.

Don't for get to sign it since it will be a collectors item some day.

Don

MathewsArcher · #89 10-06-2017, 01:14 PM

How is BenC still a member here after this blatant rip-off? At best condition was poor.

Bergerboy · #90 10-06-2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MathewsArcher

How is BenC still a member here after this blatant rip-off? At best condition was poor.

Anyone want to bet BenC has a really cool beard? I guessing this because no one else would be able to look themselves in the mirror for selling that piece of crap and trying to justify it after.