Alberta RCMP changing tactics to address rural crime.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

https://globalnews.ca/news/3926191/a...nding-officer/

May not solve the problem outright but I hope it’s a step in the right direction to help rural residents.

[MountainTi]

Blah blah blah
I feel safer now

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Blah blah blah
I feel safer now

Me too.

Funny thing is they know who the bad guys are.
They’ve arrested the bad guys before.
A tactic I’d welcome is taking the bad guys for a long drive on a night like tonight and make them walk home in the suit they were born in.

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

Me too.

Funny thing is they know who the bad guys are.
They’ve arrested the bad guys before.
A tactic I’d welcome is taking the bad guys for a long drive on a night like tonight and make them walk home in the suit they were born in.

It's been done and has cost careers.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

It's been done and has cost careers.

I know it has and it has also made a problem go away.

[hilt134]

So they will know who's going to do it, when, where, and with what.... And then they will know they are too far away.

[Newview01]

He said he is implementing an idea he’s used successfully in eastern Canada, right here in Alberta. To start with, he’s investing more into the intelligence division.

“So versus having our officers respond to 20 calls for service, we have officers responding to the individual responsible for the 20 calls for service.”

“I still don’t believe that we can arrest our way out of a problem. A comprehensive crime-reduction program also means that we’re working with the other agencies. Can we identify the underlying issues why people are committing crimes – be it mental health, be it addictions.”

Yeah, sounds like things are really going to get better.

[elkhunter11]

As long as the legal system refuses to hand out stiff punishments, and citizens are not allowed to protect their property, the situation won't change.

[Newview01]

Who benefits from reduction in crime?

The victim and the taxpayer. Not the judges / lawyers, thats for sure.

[Mr Conservation]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

As long as the legal system refuses to hand out stiff punishments, and citizens are not allowed to protect their property, the situation won't change.

Agreed !!

Until the "legal system" changes back into a "justice system", and the offenders are dealt with appropriately, then the offenders will continue to re-offend.

Almost daily I read about an incident where the person arrested was "on court ordered conditions", on "bail conditions", etc, and is released to re-offend. It is the current system, whereby an offender can be let out on pre-trial release, that is wrong. If someone is charged with a serious crime, ie: Vader and the missing McCann family, then the offender should remain in custody. If I recall correctly, Vader was arrested and charged with other crimes when he was out on bail. Additionally, if convicted, the offender should not get "credit" for time served.

Mr Conservation

[ETOWNCANUCK]

So why doesn't it work in the U.S.?

They have a Justice system.
Decent police agencies.
More people in Jail than anyone else.
The right to bear arms.
Elected judges
Death Penalties
Life Sentences upon Life Sentences.
3 strike rules
ETC! ETC! ETC!

And yet they still have crime?

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

So why doesn't it work in the U.S.?

They have a Justice system.
Decent police agencies.
More people in Jail than anyone else.
The right to bear arms.
Elected judges
Death Penalties
Life Sentences upon Life Sentences.
3 strike rules
ETC! ETC! ETC!

And yet they still have crime?

Worse public education system, larger ghettoes, weather in the southern states that doesn't keep criminals huddled inside all night. Instead of studying them as a whole, take a look at the states where they routinely elect democrat majorities who have made guns illegal and remove their crime data from the total. The data improves significantly from there, quite drastically. And it even explains the root of the problem, that being people who don't place blame where the blame belongs.

Originally Posted by dgl1948

But when our elected members of parliament passed legislation that would give mandatory minimums our unelected Supreme Court said they were two harsh and they went by the wayside. It seems this unelected body feel they speak for Canadians , not parliament.

Agreed. The courts have significant leeway in how they interpret legislation that's been passed by politicians and handed to them to enforce. If they disagree with the law they don't enforce it or they seek out minute mistakes in its wording to exploit. How many firearms offences get plead out by gang members for instance? Drug dealer gets busted with a loaded gun and the charges disappear because of something the prosecutor or judge decide?

How often have the celebrity bad guys in BC been arrested and released? (the Bacon's, etc). Or in Calgary the predators who killed a bystander in the Bolsa restaurant when they were doing a targeted hit on someone else eating there? Each bumped out to walk among us after pathetically poor sentences. Or Vince Li, now working at a place near you under a new name, only one or two missed prescription doses away from re-offending.

[Termender]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

Worse public education system, larger ghettoes, weather in the southern states that doesn't keep criminals huddled inside all night. Instead of studying them as a whole, take a look at the states where they routinely elect democrat majorities who have made guns illegal and remove their crime data from the total. The data improves significantly from there, quite drastically. And it even explains the root of the problem, that being people who don't place blame where the blame belongs.

Let's do that.

Worst incarceration rates? All Republican States.


Louisiana 50,100 1,420 1,082
Oklahoma 37,900 1,300 983
Mississippi 28,800 1,270 962
Alabama 46,000 1,230 951
Georgia 91,600 1,220 916
Texas 221,800 1,130 836
Arizona 55,200 1,090 831
Florida 154,500 990 788
Arkansas 22,800 1,010 77

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._rate_by_state

Of the top five lowest, 4 are always Democrat, and one, Minnesota is a swing state.

Guess your theory just went out of the window. Facts matter, right?

EDIT: Sorry for the poor formatting, but if you do the sort on the link, it will read better.

[1899b]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

So why doesn't it work in the U.S.?

They have a Justice system.
Decent police agencies.
More people in Jail than anyone else.
The right to bear arms.
Elected judges
Death Penalties
Life Sentences upon Life Sentences.
3 strike rules
ETC! ETC! ETC!

And yet they still have crime?

US population of 325,580,689

Canada population of 36,782,404

for starters....

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 1899b

US population of 325,580,689

Canada population of 36,782,404

for starters....

And a lot more large cities with gangs, slums etc.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by 1899b

US population of 325,580,689

Canada population of 36,782,404

for starters....

Don't forget the population demographics.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

So why doesn't it work in the U.S.?

They have a Justice system.
Decent police agencies.
More people in Jail than anyone else.
The right to bear arms.
Elected judges
Death Penalties
Life Sentences upon Life Sentences.
3 strike rules
ETC! ETC! ETC!

And yet they still have crime?

I can only imagine how bad it would be if they followed Canadian Justice practices and sentences.

As for the murder rate the good thing is it is mostly criminals killing criminals.

[1899b]

Originally Posted by Bushrat

I can only imagine how bad it would be if they followed Canadian Justice practices and sentences.

As for the murder rate the good thing is it is mostly criminals killing criminals.

I agree with you on both points.

[PlayDoh]

Sounds like the RCMP are finally on the right track to me. There’s not a lot of ‘people’ doing all this.

Going around collecting reports from people doesn’t solve crimes most of the time. Being intelligent and spending more time, resources and money learning who the few are goes a long way. Pay a snitch $5000 for a name or 2. Watch the 1 or 2 and learn of a dozen more. Watch them long enough and bust them for a laundry list of crimes that show their not some poor misguided soul who made 1 wrong decision and send them to the pen for 5-10 years.

$5000 for a name seems like a lot, but when you add up the loss of property this goof will add up, it’s money well spent.

We’re all paying for this anyways. Property or insurance, or ..... proactive policing. Drive by your local RCMP office and count the cruisers. You’ll note it’s about the same number they had 15-20 years ago. The city police have adapted, but RCMP is in the past. Now that many veterans have retired we have a large rookie force with not much in terms of investigation.

ALERT should be given the funds to expand ten fold. Drones, unmarked cars, etc. hit the problem with more force than necessary. It won’t be long till a few of these rural crimes turn deadly.

We as citizens should be given more rights to use deadly force. Turning some punks leg in to Swiss cheese solves a lot of problems. Criminals watch the news too. They know there’s nothing you can do other than try to grab them and pin them down. Or yell at them as they drive off in your truck.


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[tigger]

The courts/justice system is most of the problem. The criminals know if they get caught all they get is a slap on the wrist and off they go and do it again. Need to have people go to the court house when it's in session and find out who is doing the thieving/put a face to it and then let the "Star Chamber" take care of the problem.