Why the 6.5 PRC is the bomb for long range hunting.

[lclund1946]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFrnhu_DV9M

The True Magnum Adventure Rifle is made by Cooper so may be a way for Cooper Fans to own a 6.5 PRC.
http://truemagnum.com/display.asp?page=rifle

[warriorboy10]

6.5 bullet has very good LR ballistics, so it seems that you put most any type of case behind a 6.5 bullet you will probably have a really good LR cartridge..

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/edito...6.5-prc/307816

[Nyksta]

https://youtu.be/pPxloOlzmjA

Looks like any cartridge can do long distance if the shooter does his/her part.

https://youtu.be/jJ3XwizTqDw

https://youtu.be/hk4RPsn8Zfs

[Dubious]

3 days... since someone was last beating the 6.5 drum and the last thread got shut down how long is this one going to last?

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Dubious

3 days... since someone was last beating the 6.5 drum and the last thread got shut down how long is this one going to last?

Actually only 69 hours. Dont exaggerate

[catnthehat]

Gun Writer Ron Spomer has a pretty good wright up on it that is not biased. It's not all that and a bag of fries but it is better than some, worse than others.
Not what I am looking for in a hunting cartridge however, I already built a 6.5 wildcat 18 years ago or so that does the same thing
https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/6...fle-cartridge/
Cat

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

https://youtu.be/pPxloOlzmjA

Looks like any cartridge can do long distance if the shooter does his/her part.

https://youtu.be/jJ3XwizTqDw

https://youtu.be/hk4RPsn8Zfs

Yes and no doubt there will be plenty of shooters rushing out to buy 45-70 rifles to shoot Elk to 750 yards and Deer/Sheep to 1000 yards judging by responses to threads on AO. But as you see the Professionals are leaning toward the 6.5 PRC, even over the 300 Win Mag, for Long Range Hunting. Seems their motto is shoot short and practice long just in case the perfect opportunity presents itself. This is the exact same reasoning I had behind the 6.5 300 RCM/EXTREME, PT&G reamer, that I did in 2009 and I am glad to see that Hornady saw fit to legitimize the cartridge with some slight changes. As I said before I can use their 6.5 PRC FL dies to Shoulder Bump my cartridge.

[Smokinyotes]

So he took probably the highest B.C 6.5 bullet made and compared it to a 180 gr bullet with average B.C’s and the 300 wm still has slightly more energy. He should have compared the 6.5 PRC to a 300wm loaded with a 215 Berger travelling at 2950 FPS

[41thunder]

What does a 6.5 prc do that a 6.5x284 Norma doesn’t?
You do realize that these pros are paid to push the new product.
6.5 prc ammo is more expensive also

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

So he took probably the highest B.C 6.5 bullet made and compared it to a 180 gr bullet with average B.C’s and the 300 wm still has slightly more energy. He should have compared the 6.5 PRC to a 300wm loaded with a 215 Berger travelling at 2950 FPS

You seem to have completely missed the point of this thread. James Brion made it clear why they chose the 6.5PRC for the True Magnum Rifle, over the 300 Win mag and 6.5 CM, for their clubs rifle which is made by Cooper Rifles. Bullet selection had nothing to do with it as they only use Factory ammunition for their comparison. As he said the 6.5 Cm was not quite enough cartridge for their intended use of their rifle. The 300 Win mag had considerable more Recoil than desired for the Light Hunting Rifle and wasted energy for the Hornady ELD-X Bullets at the maximum ranges that they shoot, which he explained.

I did find ammunition made by Copper Creek Cartridge Co. with the 212 ELD- in 300 Win Mag at 2830 fps and the 143 ELDX, in 6.5PRC at 3000 fps. Hornady lists Minimum IV of 1800 fps for the ELDX bullets . These bullets have an SD of .319 and .293 respectively making them both suitable for Large Game in North America. Using the industry standard method of SD X IV makes the 212 grain 300 Win Mag suitable to 805 yards with 1800 fps IV and the 143 ELDX CCCC 6.5 PRC good to 855 yards on Large North American Game. In other words all the extra energy at 1800 fps, in the 300 Win mag Load, would have been wasted on Terra Firma at the expense of ones shoulder.

The other 6.5's like the 6.5x55, 6.5x47L 6.5 Grendel were not chosen as they are not quite up to the 6.5 CM with factory ammunition. The 6.5-284 Norma is running just behind but ammo is more expensive and the Longer Coal and Rebated rim make it a less desirable design as the 6.5 PRC will fit in The Win and similar Short Action rifles although not sure if this is a consideration in the Cooper. At Cabela's I could only find a Nosler Trophy Grade 130 AB load for the 264 Win and it only runs 3100 fps as per their specs. It and the 26 Nosler were likely not considered as both cartridges are notoriously overbore and overkill like the other Magnums.

[510-Gem]

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[Beeman3]

Doesn't Applied Ballistics make a 215 Berger factory load? These guys are in the states so it is available for comparisons. But They are probably sponsored by Hornady and Cooper. So they got to make their products look good. Pays the bills. As far as the 6.5 kills as good as a 300 Win Mag, I don't know. I've never shot anything far enough with my 6.5 to make a fair comparison. I do however have a lot of respect for BROZ over on LRH and long range only. With all the data he has collected over the years with the 215 Berger on elk it is impressive. 100's of elk that he has data on terminal results of bullets and various calibers. In his opinion the 30 cal kills WAY better than a 7 or 6.5. With his experience on that many animals I am not one to argue about SD ft-lb Blah blah. He helped me spec my reamer when I built my 300 Win Mag and wow does it perform. You guys should read a few of his threads over on those sites.

[41thunder]

Originally Posted by Beeman3

Doesn't Applied Ballistics make a 215 Berger factory load? These guys are in the states so it is available for comparisons. But They are probably sponsored by Hornady and Cooper. So they got to make their products look good. Pays the bills. As far as the 6.5 kills as good as a 300 Win Mag, I don't know. I've never shot anything far enough with my 6.5 to make a fair comparison. I do however have a lot of respect for BROZ over on LRH and long range only. With all the data he has collected over the years with the 215 Berger on elk it is impressive. 100's of elk that he has data on terminal results of bullets and various calibers. In his opinion the 30 cal kills WAY better than a 7 or 6.5. With his experience on that many animals I am not one to argue about SD ft-lb Blah blah. He helped me spec my reamer when I built my 300 Win Mag and wow does it perform. You guys should read a few of his threads over on those sites.

Ya he has an incredible amount of knowledge regarding long range hunting. Not just long range shooting. They test the theoretical against actual. 100’s of actual results vs a handful of selected results.. hmm what would you listen to?

[Beeman3]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

Ya he has an incredible amount of knowledge regarding long range hunting. Not just long range shooting. They test the theoretical against actual. 100’s of actual results vs a handful of selected results.. hmm what would you listen to?

Yep. I listen to what he says and enjoy his detailed wound channel pics. I’ll take real world results over theory any day. I also believe Broz says it like it happens. No BS just real results on game.

[obsessed1]

Originally Posted by Beeman3

Yep. I listen to what he says and enjoy his detailed wound channel pics. I’ll take real world results over theory any day. I also believe Broz says it like it happens. No BS just real results on game.

Agreed. Real world results tried and tested.

[41thunder]

Originally Posted by Beeman3

Yep. I listen to what he says and enjoy his detailed wound channel pics. I’ll take real world results over theory any day. I also believe Broz says it like it happens. No BS just real results on game.

I agree 100%. Ya no one “owns” those guys. They had a creedmoor build and one guy asked how far do they think you could shoot an elk with it. Their response was elk calibers start at 30. I liked the comparison between the 300 win vs the 30 nosler also. Lots of real world data. Anyone can punch numbers into a calculator.

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Beeman3

Yep. I listen to what he says and enjoy his detailed wound channel pics. I’ll take real world results over theory any day. I also believe Broz says it like it happens. No BS just real results on game.

Great attempt to derail this thread. According to your last post Broz helped you spec the reamer when you built your 300 Win Mag. Guess I could call BS when you say you are shooting a 300 Win Mag as Saami has specific specs for the 300 Win Mag? I am not sure if you are calling my account of the results when shooting moose at 600 yards BS but I have killed around 50 Moose and saw a lot more than that being shot with a number of different calibers and loads. Add around 10 elk and numerous deer as well as a couple of Bighorn sheep and I can say most shot from 200 to 600 yards with a 270 or 7mm08 were complete pass through with no bullet recovery and wound channel that resulted in Bang Flop or death within seconds. My chart reflects those results and indicates that some loads in an actual 300 Win mag have less Effective Range than a 270 Win, 6.5 CM or 6.5 PRC with Hornady Percision Hunter factory ammo. Even the same can be said about some handloads in a 7mm08, 308 Win, 6.5X 47L, 6.5x55 among others. That is why we use Terminal Ballistics to compare different loads in various cartridges as to Effective Range and all BS aside it is better than conjecture.

I took a look at LRH and found this Review of a Montana Rifle Co., X3, chambered in 6.5PRC using Hornady Factory ammo. http://https://www.longrangehunting....c-review.1223/
I believe I suggested this rifle/cartridge combination on AO before and let it be know that it can be ordered through Prophet River unless they already have some on order for their stock. Perhaps someone could post as good or better with their pet cartridge in an attempt to derail this thread further.