Bill C-42 law today

[msguns]

The Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act was signed into law today. http://www.csaaa.org/bill-c-42-signed-into-law-today/ Seems it will make buying at gun shows a little easier. What esle does it mean to you? Here is a link to the summary: http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliame...Language=E#a11
I did search for a thread on this and didn't find one... if this is a repeat, I apologize.

[Au revoir, Gopher]

What does it mean to me? Pretty much the square root of bugger all! Once again we were promised a gourmet meal and treated to McDonalds. And the CSAAA are helping the Government sell us on the feast.

ARG

[Ryry4]

One step in the right direction is better than none at all. The more of this bogus firearm legislation that gets chipped away the better.

[guywiththemule]

Just have to wait a few months for some of the changes to be implemented . Our rcmp masters have declared it will be implemented when they are good and ready and not a moment sooner !

[Roughneck12]

When I can use my SAN and VZ 858 again I will be celebrating.

[msguns]

Originally Posted by guywiththemule

Just have to wait a few months for some of the changes to be implemented . Our rcmp masters have declared it will be implemented when they are good and ready and not a moment sooner !

That does not surprise me. I've been hoping to be able to take restricteds to family land to shoot... but the way I read the summary the ATTs only go away for approved ranges.

[Nocked]

Apparently this is what gun shops are receiving.

[msguns]

Originally Posted by Roughneck12

When I can use my SAN and VZ 858 again I will be celebrating.

I hear ya on that!

[msguns]

Originally Posted by Nocked

Apparently this is what gun shops are receiving.

Interesting. So we wait a bit for some of it to matter. Really not a whole lot changing ultimately.

[Leeper]

It will be mandatory for a person to take a course rather than just pass the test in order to get a PAL I have a little trouble classifying this as a step forward.

[connexion123]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

One step in the right direction is better than none at all. The more of this bogus firearm legislation that gets chipped away the better.

Sorry no. The ENTIRE firearms act was rammed down our throats in one fell swoop. With a majority Harper could have wiped it all out and started new.

He has the people with the knowledge and expertise at his fingertips and he chose to pander to bleeding hearts and throw us a rotting diseased bone.

He screwed up and this is all meaningless.

He should have gone to the ROOT of the laws that started this mess.

[qwert]

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...619-91-eng.htm

[rugatika]

So we no longer need LTATT's to go to the range with restricted's? They are a condition of the licence?

[qwert]

Originally Posted by rugatika

So we no longer need LTATT's to go to the range with restricted's? They are a condition of the licence?

I suggest you read the act,
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicati...&DocId=8010514
or at least read the bulletin
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...619-91-eng.htm

"The following legislative amendments will come into force nine months after Bill C-42 receives Royal Assent:
- Provide a six-month grace period at the end of the five-year licence period; and
- Make Authorizations to Transport (ATTs) a condition of a licence for certain routine and lawful activities."

We can only speculate as to the reason for the long delay of 'coming into force', and can only wish that tax increases and other bad legislation required a similar delay.

Good Luck, YMMV.

[duster243]

A nine month delay is a joke as far as I'm concerned. We should be able to enjoy our somewhat "freedom" of paperwork. This should take effect immediately while the rcmp gets out their burn barrels for all the useless paperwork.

[Dick284]

The RCMP bulletin is no longer available on the web!

Do you think someone jumped the gun, and now has sore knuckles?

Remember the firearms bureaucracy is still there and is now very afraid, and that C-42 pretty much is knocking them back a leg or three.

In the words of Russell Peters "somebody's gonna get hurt real bad!"

[Got Juice?]

Originally Posted by duster243

A nine month delay is a joke as far as I'm concerned. We should be able to enjoy our somewhat "freedom" of paperwork. This should take effect immediately while the rcmp gets out their burn barrels for all the useless paperwork.

Exactly.

I will be so glad to NOT have to have a copy of my ATT in all my cases, and in my vehicle.


The number of RCMP that still believe the ATT has to be signed by the CFO is ridiculous.

Much less hassle......I plan to frame my original copy of my ATT for posterity.

[qwert]

from the CSSA Daily E-NEWS

COMMENTARY: RCMP CLAIMS POWER TO DECIDE WHEN C-42 LAWS COME INTO FORCE

(Excerpt from Bill C-42) COMING INTO FORCE
38. (1) Subsections 4(4), (7) and (8) and section 37 come into force on a
day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.
(2) Subection 2(1), sections 6 and 11 and subsection 13(1) come into force
on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.
(3) Sections 10 and 15 come into force on a day to be fixed by order of
the Governor in Council.
(4) Sections 14 and 35 come into force on a day or days to be fixed by
order of the Governor in Council.
-----

It's not every day that you learn about sweeping new powers assumed by the
Royal Canadian Mounted Police but yesterday, June 18, 2015, is a day to mark
in our history books. Contrary to both current law and Parliamentary
tradition, some RCMP bureaucrats decided they, not the Governor in Council,
now have the power to tell Canadians when laws come into force. The law at
issue is, of course, Bill C-42, the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act.
Clearly there are some that are distinctly unhappy this legislation received
Royal Assent yesterday. Those unhappy bureaucrats issued an official RCMP
press release dictating the terms of when and how the relevant changes to
law would be made.

The Canadian Firearms Program (CFP) must make significant system and process
changes to implement certain elements of the legislation. The following
legislative amendment will come into force three months after Bill C-42
receives Royal Assent:
. Streamline the licensing system by eliminating the Possession Only Licence
(POL) and converting all existing POLs to Possession and Acquisition
Licences (PALs).

The following legislative amendments will come into force nine months after
Bill C-42 receives Royal Assent:
. Provide a six-month grace period at the end of the five-year licence
period; and
. Make Authorizations to Transport (ATTs) a condition of a licence for
certain routine and lawful activities.

The following legislative amendment will come into force 21 months after
Bill C-42 receives Royal Assent:
. Authorize firearms import information sharing when restricted and
prohibited firearms are imported into Canada by businesses.

These statements stretch the limits of incredulousness. Even if they had the
legal authority to do what they claim, and they do not, what could justify
taking nine months to make virtual Authorizations to Transport a condition
of existing firearm licenses?

The truth is that it doesn't. The RCMP is torquing this up to try and
maintain control over this useless, expensive mess. It is the ugliest kind
of power politics, pure and simple. It's simply more evidence that this
power-mad bureaucracy wants to believe it runs Canada, not Parliament.

The bureaucrats are trying to run the clock on the Harper government in the
hopes that Canadians will elect a different government in the next election,
one that will be more friendly to the RCMP's naked attempt to disarm
Canadians. And of course, we can expect the usual cadre of "useful-idiot"
ninnies to back the 'crats with moronic statements like "the police know
best."

And let's get it straight here and now. The problem is not the dedicated men
and women that police our land, it is a few self-serving officials that
exists at the top of our national police force, a bureaucracy that believes
the exercise of power is their exclusive right, not the democratically
elected Parliament of Canada. Do these elitists actually believe the world
as we know it will end if there is one less piece of paperwork for gun
owners to deal with? From yesterday's CSSA release,

"Like the ending of the long gun registry, the sky will not fall. Public
safety will be just as intact as before. Just as Canadians came to realize
that the registry was a waste of time and money, we believe they will come
to accept additional cuts in red tape in the spirit of fairness to
responsible firearms owners. These are changes that the general public would
never even notice, but responsible Canadian sport shooters will be much
better off."

Thank you to Minister of Public Safety Steven Blaney and Prime Minister
Stephen Harper for pushing this legislation through before the summer
recess. You've kept your word to Canada's most law-abiding citizens, our
licensed firearm owners, and we applaud you for that. Given the current
political climate it would have been very easy for you both to let this bill
slide. You didn't, and we greatly appreciate that. Now, about those RCMP
bureaucrats usurping your Parliamentary powers.

[dgitz]

"The soonest we'll be able to start following the law is in three months and we won't fully follow it until almost 2 years after it passes." - The people in charge of upholding our laws.

(Slowclap)

[qwert]

Originally Posted by Dick284

The RCMP bulletin is no longer available on the web!
snip
Remember the firearms bureaucracy is still there and is now very afraid, and that C-42 pretty much is knocking them back a leg or three.
snip

I regret that I neglected to save a copy of the bulletin # 91 yesterday, and note that its reference and link has also been removed from the Directory of Special Bulletins at
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b.../index-eng.htm

It appears that the only record we have left is the almost unreadable low resolution cell phone screen shot in post # 7.

The cynic in me had been giving a lot of thought as to why there would be a 9 month delay of the 'coming into force' of provisions that are 'common sense' and considered an ‘ineffective paperwork burden and waste of resources’. I asked myself, why would the government wish to continue to create paperwork criminals and waste scarce public resources on un-needed paperwork and duplicated effort and wasted manpower?

It now appears that the removed bulletin # 91 was an attempt by the RCMP to confound the will of Parliament. It seems that the RCMP expects (or intends to work to ensure) a change in government, and that they are unilaterally attempting to set the date of 'coming into force' in order to serve their own wishes and to hell with the Democratic Will of Parliament or the People. IMHO this is nothing short of an attempted Police State coup d'état and MUST be suppressed in the most forceful way possible. In a Democracy the Will of Parliament MUST BE supreme and the Police and Military permitted to do no more than facilitate and guard that supremacy.

The CPC promised to revoke the Bill C68 Firearms Act, but has only managed to remove the LGR, or did they? There are many reports from the RCMP illegal search and seizures in High River, and other reports that indicate all the LGR data was retained in CPIC. This causes significant doubts and suspicions that we have been intentionally lied to regarding the destruction of LGR data. IMHO while the Bill C-42 provisions are welcome and positive, they are very minor changes that fail to address our serious disapproval of the entire Bill C-68 Firearms Act.

Bill C-51 granted almost unlimited freedom of action to the RCMP and other Police and security agencies with virtually no oversight. The CPC needs to demonstrate that Parliament is in control of the Police and not the reverse.

I am becoming very disillusioned with the CPC and am finding it increasingly difficult to hold my nose and vote for them in the fear that all the others might be worse.

[qwert]

An amended version of RCMP Bulletin has been posted
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...619-91-eng.htm

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by qwert

I regret that I neglected to save a copy of the bulletin # 91 yesterday, and note that its reference and link has also been removed from the Directory of Special Bulletins at
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b.../index-eng.htm

It appears that the only record we have left is the almost unreadable low resolution cell phone screen shot in post # 7.

The cynic in me had been giving a lot of thought as to why there would be a 9 month delay of the 'coming into force' of provisions that are 'common sense' and considered an ‘ineffective paperwork burden and waste of resources’. I asked myself, why would the government wish to continue to create paperwork criminals and waste scarce public resources on un-needed paperwork and duplicated effort and wasted manpower?

It now appears that the removed bulletin # 91 was an attempt by the RCMP to confound the will of Parliament. It seems that the RCMP expects (or intends to work to ensure) a change in government, and that they are unilaterally attempting to set the date of 'coming into force' in order to serve their own wishes and to hell with the Democratic Will of Parliament or the People. IMHO this is nothing short of an attempted Police State coup d'état and MUST be suppressed in the most forceful way possible. In a Democracy the Will of Parliament MUST BE supreme and the Police and Military permitted to do no more than facilitate and guard that supremacy.

The CPC promised to revoke the Bill C68 Firearms Act, but has only managed to remove the LGR, or did they? There are many reports from the RCMP illegal search and seizures in High River, and other reports that indicate all the LGR data was retained in CPIC. This causes significant doubts and suspicions that we have been intentionally lied to regarding the destruction of LGR data. IMHO while the Bill C-42 provisions are welcome and positive, they are very minor changes that fail to address our serious disapproval of the entire Bill C-68 Firearms Act.

Bill C-51 granted almost unlimited freedom of action to the RCMP and other Police and security agencies with virtually no oversight. The CPC needs to demonstrate that Parliament is in control of the Police and not the reverse.

I am becoming very disillusioned with the CPC and am finding it increasingly difficult to hold my nose and vote for them in the fear that all the others might be worse.

"Slow clap and standing ovation" Nailed it.

[Dozer31]

I would say someone just got kicked in the **ck and told they don't make the rules they just follow them. It's about time.

[msguns]

I appreciate all your comments. I always get to see things from other perspectives and some views I didn't consider on this forum. qwert, this time I especially appreiciate yours.

[silverdoctor]

Guess every little bit helps. I'd like to see the whole system overhauled or trashed...

[crunchiespg]

I'm failing to see exactly what the horse lovers could do if you shredded your att today and carried on as normal? The law is passed. Even those fools aren't stupid enough to try and charge you with an offence that is no longer so. I don't give two poops it will take them months to catch up. Unlucky.
Plenty of times in my career we had significant changes that we had to instantly adapt to. One in particular, granted this was in the UK not here but same basic law structure, meant as of midnight the powers of arrest completely changed. On New Year's Day. So we had to make a quick time check while locking up the fighting drunks as to exactly what our powers were.
Of course these idiots are just in the job preservation game. I love playing them for fools. If anyone is on gun nutz I have a post there how I beat the Alberta cfo over the att issue last year.

Of course this entire bill is lipstick on a pig. And we truly are living in a state ran by the bureaucracy.
If I was in government is be coming down hard on these idiots, if for no other reason they make the elected government look stupid.

[duster243]

Originally Posted by crunchiespg

I'm failing to see exactly what the horse lovers could do if you shredded your att today and carried on as normal? The law is passed. Even those fools aren't stupid enough to try and charge you with an offence that is no longer so. I don't give two poops it will take them months to catch up. Unlucky.
Plenty of times in my career we had significant changes that we had to instantly adapt to. One in particular, granted this was in the UK not here but same basic law structure, meant as of midnight the powers of arrest completely changed. On New Year's Day. So we had to make a quick time check while locking up the fighting drunks as to exactly what our powers were.
Of course these idiots are just in the job preservation game. I love playing them for fools. If anyone is on gun nutz I have a post there how I beat the Alberta cfo over the att issue last year.

Of course this entire bill is lipstick on a pig. And we truly are living in a state ran by the bureaucracy.
If I was in government is be coming down hard on these idiots, if for no other reason they make the elected government look stupid.

I believe law abiding gun owners live in fear here in Canada and don't have hope for change. You can see it especially this past year with the lack of signatures on the ar-15 and magazine capacity petition. To be honest I want to rip up my ATT and just head to the range like you but I can't because I abide by the law that was passed on June 18th? Haha

[crunchiespg]

Originally Posted by duster243

I believe law abiding gun owners live in fear here in Canada and don't have hope for change. You can see it especially this past year with the lack of signatures on the ar-15 and magazine capacity petition. To be honest I want to rip up my ATT and just head to the range like you but I can't because I abide by the law that was passed on June 18th? Haha

But the law is now in effect isn't it? What exactly are you abiding by? The rcmp don't make or dictate law. Once a law is passed its passed.
So it's not our fault the internal policy of the rcmp hasn't caught up.

It's just like in Quebec. The police and cfo tell you it's the law you must still register non restricted. But there is no such law. I even got the cfo for Quebec to admit that to me and other members on gun nutz verified it.
As it stands right now the law has passed saying att is now part of the conditions. Why exactly does it take 7 months for the rcmp to send a memo saying "if someone has a valid pal then they have a valid att"?

[duster243]

Originally Posted by crunchiespg

But the law is now in effect isn't it? What exactly are you abiding by? The rcmp don't make or dictate law. Once a law is passed its passed.
So it's not our fault the internal policy of the rcmp hasn't caught up.

It's just like in Quebec. The police and cfo tell you it's the law you must still register non restricted. But there is no such law. I even got the cfo for Quebec to admit that to me and other members on gun nutz verified it.
As it stands right now the law has passed saying att is now part of the conditions. Why exactly does it take 7 months for the rcmp to send a memo saying "if someone has a valid pal then they have a valid att"?

Haha Ya I was being sarcastic about abiding by the law part. I know it's law now but I bet thousands of Canadians aren't doing anything yet and still using there ATT permits to get to the ranges do to the fear of something bad happening if they don't. So what I was curious about is now can I go into a gun shop purchase a restricted firearm put a trigger lock on it and then into a locked case and take it home that same day? Or is there going to be some waiting period of some sort?

[crunchiespg]

Originally Posted by duster243

Haha Ya I was being sarcastic about abiding by the law part. I know it's law now but I bet thousands of Canadians aren't doing anything yet and still using there ATT permits to get to the ranges do to the fear of something bad happening if they don't. So what I was curious about is now can I go into a gun shop purchase a restricted firearm put a trigger lock on it and then into a locked case and take it home that same day? Or is there going to be some waiting period of some sort?

still have to wait for transfer I'm sure.
but they have been same day often recently I've found.