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Replace the word "religion" with "moral values" - and I think we'll get a better understanding what markg is getting at.

Some have different moral values than others. Because some of us think differently, does that make us wrong?
Exactly.

The left (including some AO members) cannot tolerate that some people have different moral values and believe that the children of these people are being sheltered and psychologically abused.

Again, the intolerance is being perpetrated by the "tolerant".

Sad that they can't see it.
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Old 11-16-2017, 10:08 AM
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Replace the word "religion" with "moral values" - and I think we'll get a better understanding what markg is getting at.

Some have different moral values than others. Because some of us think differently, does that make us wrong?
Human rights trumps moral values 100% of the time.
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Human rights trumps moral values 100% of the time.
And human rights are developed in a moral vacuum. Got it.
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Human rights trumps moral values 100% of the time.
Explain what defines a human right? This argument has been had in terms of "are morals relative". One may think it is a human right to screw a sheep. That is immoral, and IMO should not be a human right. But hey, if it aligns with your beliefs, right?

There is so much to this discussion. It will never end.
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Explain what defines a human right? This argument has been had in terms of "are morals relative". One may think it is a human right to screw a sheep. That is immoral, and IMO should not be a human right. But hey, if it aligns with your beliefs, right?

There is so much to this discussion. It will never end.
It's against the law to screw a sheep, so no, not a human right. I'm pretty sure your rights are well documented if you'd like to look them up.

It's obvious that some human rights do not align with your beliefs. Your beliefs are not relevant to what is a human right. This seems to be the heart of the issue.

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And human rights are developed in a moral vacuum. Got it.
Sometimes they are.
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It's against the law to screw a sheep, so no, not a human right. I'm pretty sure your rights are well documented if you'd like to look them up.

It's obvious that some human rights do not align with your beliefs. Your beliefs are not relevant to what is a human right. This seems to be the heart of the issue.

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Actually it is not against the law to screw a sheep in some countries. So, again, are human rights relative?

And I realize that what some may call a "right" I call immoral. Who is right? And where is the line drawn? I mean, seriously, there have been articles that have taught children consent, with an adult.

Do you people seriously not see where this is going?

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Actually it is not against the law to screw a sheep in some countries. So, again, are human rights relative?

And I realize that what some may call a "right" I call immoral. Who is right? And where is the line drawn? I mean, seriously, there have been articles that have taught children consent, with an adult.

Do you people seriously not see where this is going?

Lots of countries infringe on human rights. We're talking about Canada, no?
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Replace the word "religion" with "moral values" - and I think we'll get a better understanding what markg is getting at.

Some have different moral values than others. Because some of us think differently, does that make us wrong?
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Exactly.

The left (including some AO members) cannot tolerate that some people have different moral values and believe that the children of these people are being sheltered and psychologically abused.

Again, the intolerance is being perpetrated by the "tolerant".

Sad that they can't see it.
Who defines morality?

Generally, if what you do doesn't harm you or another person, why would anyone else have any say over your actions? Why is YOUR moral standard one I need to adhere to if the condition above is met?

Don't like homosexual sex? Fine, don't have it. Don't like the Hindu religion? Fine, don't practice it. Don't like 2 wheel drive trucks? Fine, don't buy one.

But don't tell someone else they have to adhere to your perspectives.
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:43 PM
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I'm a little curious as to how many parents have been contacted in the past by teachers or school to inform them that their child have joined a book, speech, debate club? I worked in the school system for a number of years and have never known of a teacher or school to contact a parent or require permission for a student to join any of these clubs so I don't understand what would be different for a GSA.

Perhaps it would protect students from teachers who might have a bias of their own but for the most part, it only helps create a distance between parent and teacher communications. Now we'll have suspicious parents asking schools about their children's activities and forcing teachers and schools to lie to parents? In my opinion, this bill only helps create an issue out of a non issue in regards to a student joining a club.


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Actually it is not against the law to screw a sheep in some countries. So, again, are human rights relative?

And I realize that what some may call a "right" I call immoral. Who is right? And where is the line drawn? I mean, seriously, there have been articles that have taught children consent, with an adult.

Do you people seriously not see where this is going?

Please inform us of where you think this is going.

Do you honestly believe this will lead to legalizing things like bestiality and pedophilia?
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:54 PM
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Don't like homosexual sex? Fine, don't have it. Don't like the Hindu religion? Fine, don't practice it. Don't like 2 wheel drive trucks? Fine, don't buy one.
If only it was that simple!

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But don't tell someone else they have to adhere to your perspectives.
And that's the problem. It apparently doesn't go both ways.
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Who defines morality?

Generally, if what you do doesn't harm you or another person, why would anyone else have any say over your actions? Why is YOUR moral standard one I need to adhere to if the condition above is met?

Don't like homosexual sex? Fine, don't have it. Don't like the Hindu religion? Fine, don't practice it. Don't like 2 wheel drive trucks? Fine, don't buy one.

But don't tell someone else they have to adhere to your perspectives.
No, but if I have different moral values than someone else, it doesn't mean that I need to adopt theirs either. Your statement is an Achilles heel for the left, but it never gets talked about. For the umpteenth time, the intolerance of the "tolerant" is shocking.
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I'm a little curious as to how many parents have been contacted in the past by teachers or school to inform them that their child have joined a book, speech, debate club? I worked in the school system for a number of years and have never known of a teacher or school to contact a parent or require permission for a student to join any of these clubs so I don't understand what would be different for a GSA.

Perhaps it would protect students from teachers who might have a bias of their own but for the most part, it only helps create a distance between parent and teacher communications. Now we'll have suspicious parents asking schools about their children's activities and forcing teachers and schools to lie to parents? In my opinion, this bill only helps create an issue out of a non issue in regards to a student joining a club.




Please inform us of where you think this is going.

Do you honestly believe this will lead to legalizing things like bestiality and pedophilia?
Canada has already loosened bestiality laws.

Europe has some pretty lax laws already.

Yes, that is where we are heading.
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How in the heck does one go from a GSA discussion to bestiality?
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How in the heck does one go from a GSA discussion to bestiality?
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