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He's got no worries, why should anyone else.
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Old 04-14-2024, 11:19 AM
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This should build confidence in PP's words.

Jagmeet Singh is Canada's most expensive MP, Pierre Poilievre is the cheapest
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jag...s-the-cheapest
Oh he is definitely the best option compared too those he is up against

I will gamble my vote on PP and hope he gets the opportunity to prove he does more than talk. I just don’t like the present state of our political system and I might have developed trust issues do to all the crook politicians I have experienced
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Old 04-14-2024, 02:28 PM
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No the dream ain’t dead unless you live here and have seen nothing more than a price increase etc

Sure would like to have some here sit with a Ukrainian family etc that are totally appreciative of what we have.

Ohhh well we will get over this crap and move on as usual.

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No the dream ain’t dead unless you live here and have seen nothing more than a price increase etc

Sure would like to have some here sit with a Ukrainian family etc that are totally appreciative of what we have.

Ohhh well we will get over this crap and move on as usual.
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Enough of the rose colored glasses nonsense, no we aren’t at war, but look at how far Canada has fallen in the last ten years.The debt has grown so large, and the damage to our laws and values is so extensive, that Canada will likely never recover. A new government can stop the decline, but it will take decades to make even a partial recovery from the damage done in the past ten years.
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No the dream ain’t dead unless you live here and have seen nothing more than a price increase etc

Sure would like to have some here sit with a Ukrainian family etc that are totally appreciative of what we have.

Ohhh well we will get over this crap and move on as usual.

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I have had the privilege of sitting down with family that came to Canada to escape communism and other horrors. Their advice was do not give up one inch of freedom. That’s how it starts. Apathy will slowly destroy the country. Maybe people have woke up but as long as they have their great little life with a few government freebies and have their distractions I doubt it. I hope I am wrong.
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The dream spent a long time in its death throes but has been dead for some time now. Nearly ten years in my opinion. Most haven’t even noticed, plenty are in denial and the level of delusion amongst those who have noticed is unbelievable.

Case in point. Some of you even think there’s a chance of separation. My god, if it’s not bad enough now it never will be.

Seems some love the abuse.


It’s not the country I grew up in. Likely never will be again and if one looks, it’s easy to see which direction the majority vote.


Oh and speaking of consequences… of which there are many.






I see zero chance for any politician to reverse course. The voting masses won’t allow it. There is no continuity between parties or long term vision and the winds of change have shaped the political climate into something I can’t relate to but apparently the majority want. At this stage, to fix it one would need a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore, not a 4 year popularity contest. Nobody wants to do what’s right because it’s hard and unpopular.
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PP will save us.
He can slow the decline, but the voters won't tolerate the extreme actions it would take to completely reverse the situation.
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Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.
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Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.
If PP tried to implement the extreme measures required to reverse the trend, many voters would not accept those measures, and PP would be voted out in the next election. Many voters like the sound of more fiscal responsibility, but when they realize that they will lose their handouts, they will vote for anyone promising to restore the handouts, even though we would be right back where we are under Trudeau.
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Yep, so expect the same as your used to. Been saying this for years. Guess what? You fished your wish. Congratulations.
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Old 04-14-2024, 07:11 PM
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Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.
There is no political party that is going to be the savior in Canada. Overall Canadian politics suck. They are full of crap and there is no consequences for their actions because of this they are all easily tempted by corruption

We don’t have a “true conservative” party that is even close to a viable option or even exists in Canada.

I have said it before Conservatives are the best of the worst and my ears are open to a good alternative?
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Old 04-14-2024, 07:22 PM
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Yep, so expect the same as your used to. Been saying this for years. Guess what? You fished your wish. Congratulations.
PP could greatly slow down the decline, compared to Trudeau, and he could make actual improvements in some areas, but he can't just undo the damage that Trudeau will have done in his reign. The debt is too large, to pay off quickly, and it will take years to reverse all of the laws that Trudeau passed, especially with liberal judges trying to continue the woke agenda. But he can axe the carbon tax and undo some legislation fairly easily.
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Enough of the rose colored glasses nonsense, no we aren’t at war, but look at how far Canada has fallen in the last ten years.The debt has grown so large, and the damage to our laws and values is so extensive, that Canada will likely never recover. A new government can stop the decline, but it will take decades to make even a partial recovery from the damage done in the past ten years.

Enough, period, yup!

Even your glasses can cause a headache when worn but over time some may get use to it….not all thankfully.




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Enough, period, yup!

Even your glasses can cause a headache when worn but over time some may get use to it….not all thankfully.




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When has our national debt ever been this high? How many PMs have ever been found guilty of ethics violations? When have we had legislation passed limiting the freedom of speech? When has the Federal government ever used the Emergencies act and seized the bank accounts of peaceful protestors? The answer to all of those questions is never, Canada has never been here.
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The dream spent a long time in its death throes but has been dead for some time now. Nearly ten years in my opinion. Most haven’t even noticed, plenty are in denial and the level of delusion amongst those who have noticed is unbelievable.

Case in point. Some of you even think there’s a chance of separation. My god, if it’s not bad enough now it never will be.

Seems some love the abuse.


It’s not the country I grew up in. Likely never will be again and if one looks, it’s easy to see which direction the majority vote.


Oh and speaking of consequences… of which there are many.






I see zero chance for any politician to reverse course. The voting masses won’t allow it. There is no continuity between parties or long term vision and the winds of change have shaped the political climate into something I can’t relate to but apparently the majority want. At this stage, to fix it one would need a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore, not a 4 year popularity contest. Nobody wants to do what’s right because it’s hard and unpopular.
Pretty much nailed it there.

One thing that often gets overlooked is how the events surrounding the Ottawa Convoy protest affected investment. In the days following the freezing of bank accounts, two things happened, neither of which seem to be discussed often:
  1. There was a run on the banks. If you went to take cash out from your bank during that time, you would essentially need to be there right at opening time. They would run out of cash very shortly after opening.
  2. Foreign investment fled Canada. Millions of dollars were shifted to the US and other countries to protect them from risk. Many (if not most) of those dollars never returned to Canada.

When Trudeau/Freiland played the "freeze accounts" card, I think the banks put pressure on them to quickly un-freeze them. The fallout was palpable.
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Old 04-15-2024, 11:13 AM
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What is the Canadian dream?
Stuff is not happiness.
I appreciate what i have been blessed with but I realize it can all be taken away.
Looking back at my life the things that seemed unfair and bad all made me better and lead into new better things.
No pain no gain and with risk comes reward.
Material things we built and we created won't last after we die.
Our children have to learn for themselves. We can't do not for them.
When I was growing up all I ever heard about was the great depression (30s). How it was going to happen again and about how now in 70s there was no opportunities and everything was wrecked.
I was constantly told I couldn't do anything and better just try to save every dollar and never invest in anything or take chances and on and on. If I would have believed them they would have been right.
Some people made money and had good years in depression . I'm sure ww2 seemed like end times.
In late 70s early 80s some people made really good profits borrowing money at 20% and paying back loans on deflated currency while inflation drove up prices of what they invested in.
I think we all end up blessed according to our actions but without Faith those mountains won't move out of our way.
Sometimes to much or what we think we want isn't good either. Or we are not ready for it yet.
Sort of like how we wouldn't give a 5 yeast old a loaded revolver. Or a 15 year old $100,000. Or a 17 years old a real race car as his first vehicle.Or if our kid was rotten and evil we might not give him anything.
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A house and a skinny Asian wife.
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Some people made money and had good years in depression.
Some people make good money and have very good years in countries like Columbia, Venezuela, China, Russia, North Korea, etc.
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Old 04-15-2024, 11:52 AM
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Some people make good money and have very good years in countries like Columbia, Venezuela, China, Russia, North Korea, etc.
There are people who have come from not only nothing but started life in worse possible way.
Everything can be turned around.
Truth can be stranger than fiction.

We can't talk about spirituality here but we can talk about our children. If your kid hates you,curses you and does everything the opposite of what you tell him to do are you going to buy him a house and introduce him to some beautiful well connected Asian girl?
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Old 04-15-2024, 12:11 PM
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It can always be worse but does it have to be?

With the current government I feel like I'm driving with the emergency brake on.
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Old 04-15-2024, 12:50 PM
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Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.
A true conservative party would have no chance, things are not bad enough yet. the only way a hard right government could ever win is if the country breaks down into chaos and the nation has to start over. By then we will probably be ripe for someone like Hitler that promises to clean out the ??? depending on who he blames. It is a cycle that has been played out for centuries, build an empire and have it destroyed by laziness and self indulgence. People have to much time on their hands and the nutbars find each other on the internet. Medicine Hat has a very strong socialist movement right now, maybe strong is the wrong word, active might be a better description. Anyways it is mostly older women, teachers and union members. To much time on their hand and they love to tell people that socialism is the answer. They are active on Facebook, school boards and giving free drugs to the dopers. Old ladies used to bake, dot on their grand kids and keep their husbands and homes in line. No more they feel they have a world to save now.
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When has our national debt ever been this high? How many PMs have ever been found guilty of ethics violations? When have we had legislation passed limiting the freedom of speech? When has the Federal government ever used the Emergencies act and seized the bank accounts of peaceful protestors? The answer to all of those questions is never, Canada has never been here.
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When has our national debt ever been this high? How many PMs have ever been found guilty of ethics violations? When have we had legislation passed limiting the freedom of speech? When has the Federal government ever used the Emergencies act and seized the bank accounts of peaceful protestors? The answer to all of those questions is never, Canada has never been here.
Just want to add, when has our Military been in such poor shape and unable to defend Canada. When has there been such division in this country. (All though Trudeau, seems to have united most of the country against him.)
When has the country driven out foreign investment?

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Just want to add, when has our Military been in such poor shape and unable to defend Canada. When has there been such division in this country. (All though Trudeau, seems to have united most of the country against him.)
When has the country driven out foreign investment?

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Unfortunately, some people are so naive, that they believe that the government will change, and a year or two later, all damage will be undone. Yes unfortunately, some people including some AO members really are that far removed from reality.
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I think if PP can get a solid majority so he can do what's needed to turn the ship around(most likely need 2 terms), he will also re instill some Canadian pride along the way. My worry is because he has to be the bad guy and make cuts, the woke lefties will never allow him 2 terms.

Historians will look back on El Turdo's rein as one of the worst Pm's ever. What a pivotal upcoming election we will have.
The continuous cycles of liberal overspending, then conservative frugality to correct it is exactly what liberals count on to be eventually voted back into power. No matter how badly liberals run the country and put us all deeply in debt, they can count on the necessary measures to fix their mistakes to be unpopular.
There is some optimism in knowing that the current liberal regime is the most corrupt and ruiness in history and that may not be forgotten as quickly as in the past.
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The continuous cycles of liberal overspending, then conservative frugality to correct it is exactly what liberals count on to be eventually voted back into power. No matter how badly liberals run the country and put us all deeply in debt, they can count on the necessary measures to fix their mistakes to be unpopular.
There is some optimism in knowing that the current liberal regime is the most corrupt and ruiness in history and that may not be forgotten as quickly as in the past.

The current Liberal's only election strategy was promising an abundance of free money for doing nothing, to legislate zero accountability for your actions, enabling rampant illegal drug use and catering to every single vocal minority imaginable. The fact that this was enough to win three elections still boggles my mind, never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

Sometimes the Liberal's policies become asinine enough to start costing even the stupidest of voters so much money that they can't afford as many Teslas, soy lattes, man-purses or Defund the Police t-shirts. Then they lean slightly to the right hoping for a slightly better fiscal policy (and it's usually very slight, this is the federal government after all). After a couple of years of a slightly more conservative policy, something will trigger them and maybe cause a tear to fall, and their memory is completely erased. This in turn causes them to again vote for more free stuff/drugs/wokeness, less personal accountability, and maybe even a complimentary Liberal issued tissue to wipe away the tear.

Let's face it, all Liberal voters forget and do not learn from history. The name Trudeau alone should have rang enough alarm bells to prevent our absolutely brain dead man-child of a PM from becoming PM. But again, here we are.

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The current Liberal's only election strategy was promising an abundance of free money for doing nothing, to legislate zero accountability for your actions, enabling rampant illegal drug use and catering to every single vocal minority imaginable. The fact that this was enough to win three elections still boggles my mind, never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

Sometimes the Liberal's policies become asinine enough and starts costing even the stupidest of voters so much money that they can't afford as many Teslas, soy lattes, man-purses or Defund the Police t-shirts. Then they lean slightly to the right hoping for a slightly better fiscal policy (and it's usually very slight, this is the federal government after all). Then after a couple of years of a slightly more conservative policy, something will trigger them and maybe cause a tear to fall, and their memory is completely erased, causing them to again vote for more free stuff/drugs/wokeness/tissue paper for their tear.
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