9mm for deer?

[Jayhad]

This is just for discussion, please don't freak out.

A few of my buddies were talking and all though it may not be deemed ethical, could you drop a deer within 65m with a 9x19 Parabellum, 16" barrel, 147gr bonded bullet.

I think it is quite possible myself, I haven't done any math but bow hunters kill deer all the time with in 65m.

Thoughts?

[Smoky buck]

An arrow and a bullet kill with different methods

Is it possible to use a 9mm to kill a deer cleanly yes. Lots of old school poachers did so with 22 and head shots

That said no way would I use or recommend a 9mm for deer

[lannie]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

This is just for discussion, please don't freak out.

A few of my buddies were talking and all though it may not be deemed ethical, could you drop a deer within 65m with a 9x19 Parabellum, 16" barrel, 147gr bonded bullet.

I think it is quite possible myself, I haven't done any math but bow hunters kill deer all the time with in 65m.

Thoughts?

If you hit it in the heart/lungs it probably be fatal.

It is just as ethical as hitting gophers or magpies with a pellet gun. If it's legal I am always on my fellow outdoorsman's side.

[bitterrootfly]

People do it down south all the time, pick your shots and I think it’s ok, not great though.

[Xbolt7mm]

Police kill men with a 9mm, just saying,,, both can be about the same weight

[Pioneer2]

Originally Posted by Xbolt7mm

Police kill men with a 9mm, just saying,,, both can be about the same weight

In most cases the 9mm is no manstopper

[Pioneer2]

Is legal with a 16" barrel in 9mm?

[Brbpuppy]

Just remember your magazine can only hold max 5 rounds for hunting.


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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Brbpuppy

Just remember your magazine can only hold max 5 rounds for hunting.


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Only for semi autos.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Xbolt7mm

Police kill men with a 9mm, just saying,,, both can be about the same weight

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alte...stopping-power

Most pistol caliber shootings by people vs people are non-fatal.

[Twisted Canuck]

Legal and moral often don't entirely overlap. Could you? Yes. Should you? Not unless it was a matter of survival. The game you hunt deserves a fast humane death, why chose a minimalist cartridge where the slightest error will result in a wounding. Just my two cents.

[Sentinel9]

As I wait for the football game, I will bite and ask why not? There are so many factors that go into hunting with your tool of choice, why not?

Saying no based on the caliber doesn't make sense. I don't use a varmint round in a .308 to kill deer, but i don't discount the .308 for hunting; is there a game round for 9mm because it appears there may be at least one manufacturer (Winchester that makes a round intended for hunting deer though I can only see it available in the US).

Saying no because of distance doesn't make sense. I don't typically hear of people who take deer with a .30-30 at 600 yards, but hear of many using doing a 600 yard shot with a larger/different caliber. Would a 9mm with a proper bullet within a certain distance be effective, seems like it might.

Would 9mm meet hunting regulations? It exceeds the calibre size requirement and if you are using an expanding bullet out of a rifle, it seems like it would be legal (could be wrong here and welcome informed correction). I tried to find the energy needed/required to kill a deer in the regulations, but kick-off is about to occur and am rushing now and haven't found it. What I did find was a chart about muzzle energy "by the inch" that would allude (but not definitive) to the fact that out of a carbine/rifle a 9mm may at least have enough energy at short distances (http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html).

Confidence in ability for shot placement is critical. Someone may be comfortable shooting .243 and kill deer consistently at 100 yards, but hand them a .300 winchester magnum and they may miss at 100 yards. Can you have accurate shot placement at short distances with 9mm?

Seems to me, like it would be doable. For myself, I won't hunt deer with a bow as I lack the skill and I wouldn't hunt with a 9mm rifle because I lack the hunting skill to get consistently get close enough for what I am assuming is an effective range for a 9mm rifle (approximately 50 yards) to kill deer.

For me, no 9mm. For someone else who is confident in their ability, has a carbine/rifle, appropriate expanding bullets travelling with an appropriate amount of energy at target, why not?

[lannie]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Legal and moral often don't entirely overlap. Could you? Yes. Should you? Not unless it was a matter of survival. The game you hunt deserves a fast humane death, why chose a minimalist cartridge where the slightest error will result in a wounding. Just my two cents.

Does this apply to duck or goose hunting with a shotgun?

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by lannie

Does this apply to duck or goose hunting with a shotgun?

What are you talking about?

[Flight01]

Probably referring to people who don’t practice and or shoot beyond practical distance and have plenty of lame birds they or their dogs have to chase around...that’s how I’m reading it.
But I don’t know. Just guessing. Crippled in any hunt are never the goal and every animal deserves to be put lights out as soon as possible even if an initial shot or shots weren’t effective

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

Is legal with a 16" barrel in 9mm?

16" was just used for discussion I should have said 18.6" which is NR in Canada.

[58thecat]

If the deer was wishing 20 yards like my bow hunting then yup but I would like a larger cartridge say 44rem mag.....

[tikka250]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2

Is legal with a 16" barrel in 9mm?

A kriss vector comes to mind as well as the Jr carbine and the berreta cx4storm.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by Xbolt7mm

Police kill men with a 9mm, just saying,,, both can be about the same weight

They usually like to lay down a barrage though.

Grizz

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by tikka250

A kriss vector comes to mind as well as the Jr carbine and the berreta cx4storm.

The Kriss, is what started the conversation. 18.6"

[marky_mark]

How high would you have to aim to make a 65 yards shot with a 9mm
The trajectory in real life isn’t quite like it is in the movies

[Dean2]

So, just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

This is like trying to teach a pig to dance, it is a waste of your time and really annoys the pig!

[Bulldog Edm]

I think that if the hunter knows his limits as well as the limits of the rifle he/she is using than it can be done ethically. I personally would not hunt with a 9mm but then again alot of people would not hunt with a bow.

I hunt with a bow. I practice as much as possible. I shoot a target past 60 yards. I have never harvested or even taken a shot at an animal past 25 yards.

[fish_e_o]

Shot a coyote. Didn't work as well as a varmint rifle that's for sure.


Wouldn't shoot a deer

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

How high would you have to aim to make a 65 yards shot with a 9mm
The trajectory in real life isn’t quite like it is in the movies

About 3.5"

[wildbill]

Originally Posted by Bulldog Edm

I think that if the hunter knows his limits as well as the limits of the rifle he/she is using than it can be done ethically. I personally would not hunt with a 9mm but then again alot of people would not hunt with a bow.

I hunt with a bow. I practice as much as possible. I shoot a target past 60 yards. I have never harvested or even taken a shot at an animal past 25 yards.

Nailed it!
Know the limitations, I think 65 yards would be pushin it for sure, she ain’t a long range cartridge.
A 147 fed hydrashock jhp shot out of 16” barrel, would only have 1073 muzzle velocity, which is Forrest Gump slow imho.

[smith88]

A 9mm Para. bullet would have under 500ft/lbs of at the muzzle. A 223 Rem. has around 1300. Just food for thought.

[JULIUS]

My 9mm single shot with a 26 inch barrel .
147 Hydra shock averages 1050 fps
winchester sxt average 1120
I myself would not us this as a deer round unless I had too and then it would have to be 50 yard max. (Survival )
My experience with these rounds has been inconsistent using factory ammunition.
I have been present when deer were dispatched at close range using 9mm from handguns as well as 38 and both did the job but they were at point blank ranges.
But imho the firearm and skill of the user are the ultimate factors.

I once had a friend tell me he needed a bigger gun. I advised him just needed to become a better hunter.

I agree with the other posters that legal and ethical are not always the same thing.
my 2 cents