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Old 07-04-2017, 02:43 AM
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I thought I'd document my journey to a mile with my new C-14 Timberwolf. First off, a big thank you to Steve from EM Precision for really encouraging me 3 years ago to get seriously into long range precision shooting. If it wasn't for him and his skills as a builder and teacher, I'm not sure I would have been able to do this.

First....the rifle. This is my second rifle from Ross at PGWdti. (My other is a Coyote in .308win.)

It is a C-14 Timberwolf in .338LM. The scope is a NF NXS 8-32x56 over a Spuhr +20moa mount. The bipod is by LRA, their F-class. (Although the lower picture shows a light tactical model to accomadate an LRF by SilencerCo.) And that brake is an EM Precision ShockWave installed by Steve.





So load development went well with me finding a sweet spot with 93.6 grains of Retumbo. The brass is Lapua, the primers Federal 215's, and the bullets are 300 grain SMK's. Then came the seating depth tests with three depths (.005", .010", .015"), with the .010" jump being the best. Easy. (BTW, all load/seating tests were done at 201 yards.)

So, onward and outward to a mile. Well there were a few problems along the way. When I decided to try the mile, I had just been out to a friend's place plinking to 1050 yards. The rifle (and me) were more than capable with me getting bored quickly and not wasting much ammo. This made me want to try the mile the very next day.

The first problem was with iSnipe. Out beyond 1000m, it appeared to be "off". It got worse the further out I went. Frustrated, I asked for help from a couple who enthusiastically helped me with spotting. (Thank you Rob and Barb!) I was on steel at 1500m in four shots. Again, the math did not jive with iSnipe. At that distance, I was over 4moa high. Oh well, now on to the mile.

After three shots to make adjustments, with help from Barb, I managed my first hit at a mile! I gave Mr Smiley Face a new nose...



Not a bad shot. I followed this up with two more hits at the mile and eight at 1500m. I was pumped. But the damn math was puzzling. Thinking about it on the way home, I decided to try Applied Ballistics since I had that app on my iPad. After entering all of the data, I proceeded to roll up some fresh ammo for the following week.

BTW, here's me posing with my first hit. (Gratuitous, I know!)



A week later, I had AB working very close to what I had experienced a week earlier. I managed to walk the rifle out from 800m to 1500m. I then zeroed my scope at 1500m. (I know, a long way out to do that, but I had dead centre hits once I got it set.)

I tried a 5 shot string at the mile. The first three were nice hits. Then I guess I got excited and missed the fourth shot. Then the fifth, while still hitting the steel, went high left.



Oh, and I did paint over my previous week's hits before i started (you can just see the "make-up" that covered my original hits). Again, I gave Mr. Smiley Face another nose. And the two other shots were just over 4 inches. I know it's only a three shot group, but hey....I'm pretty new at this distance. The fifth shot can be seen high left on the gong.

The totals today were my best ever at this ELD. With 12 hits at 1500m and 8 hits at the mile. (I then rechecked my zero at 1000m and it was dead on.)

So I learned a great deal. Yes, I need much more practice. But it sure was a fun process. And I just may have a chance to extend things out beyond two miles in the fall....we'll see.

Technical info:

Powder: Retumbo 93.6 grains
Primer: Federal 215 magnum
Brass: Lapua
Bullet: Sierra Match King 300 grain
Headspace: 2.319"
Ogive length: 2.966" (.010" jump)
Trim length: 2.714"
Velocity: 2805fps S.D.= 8
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Old 07-04-2017, 05:46 AM
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That is some great shooting and learnings too, thanks for sharing.
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Old 07-04-2017, 07:05 AM
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Outstanding effort , great job!
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Old 07-04-2017, 07:32 AM
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Wow that's a small target 🎯 for one mile. Great shooting!
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Old 07-04-2017, 07:47 AM
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You are to be commended. No one should ever call you a poser!
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Old 07-04-2017, 09:25 AM
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that's fantastic!! you didn't mention whether the other app gave you better dope; i've only gone to 900m; but find that the way the bullet obturates to each barrel has quite a bearing on real b. c. 's; hence the reason why you have to actually shoot the distances and record the data to be reliable.
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Old 07-04-2017, 09:35 AM
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Yes, it appears that Applied Ballistics was spot-on to the mile. I'm not sure why iSnipe fizzled after 1000m. I've tried all sorts of different variable inputs to find the issue, but I can't figure it out. It seems to work up to a kilometre ok, but beyond that it is off. And the further out you go, the worse it gets.

So, I'm pleased with AB.
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Old 07-04-2017, 09:38 AM
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Nice shooting and great editorial
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Old 07-04-2017, 09:49 AM
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Impressive shooting and a great account. Well done sir.
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Old 07-04-2017, 10:28 AM
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Beautiful set up.

Looks like you have things dialed in.

I'm getting the Brian Litz app as it up dates the weather pattern too your phone at the area you are in,,, the app recalculates the Mill or MOA instantly by refreshing the page threw out the day.

A person adds all the info on the fire-arm used,,, all info on cartrage,,, and your phone picks the area your in as the person adds the angel of the shot.

Got a chance too see a fellow work that app with his rifle this weekend as it took him a few shots too get onto the iron targets.

The rest of his day was spent dinging iron from 200 too 600 meters as he switched back and forth.

Thanks for sharing part of the dream.

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Old 07-04-2017, 11:09 AM
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Appreciate the write up and the photos! That is a beautiful rifle for sure, and you are certainly learning to use it to it's potential. Great shooting, it's way beyond my skill set!
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:17 AM
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Thank you everyone for the kind words. It has been a fun journey. And if everything lines up, in the fall I may get the chance to shoot out to 2 miles.
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:56 AM
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How much difference did you see between the two ballistic calculators?
I've had good luck with iSnipe out to 1700.
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:57 AM
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Very nice write up congrats on the shooting
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Old 07-04-2017, 12:50 PM
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How much difference did you see between the two ballistic calculators?
I've had good luck with iSnipe out to 1700.
Well, iSnipe started to show the elevation high at 900m. By the time I was at 1500m it was showing almost 4moa high. And at 1600m, it was 4.75moa high.

Applied ballistics was perfect to what I was seeing out to the mile.

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Old 07-04-2017, 12:52 PM
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Fantastic Shooting!
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Old 07-04-2017, 03:06 PM
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Well, iSnipe started to show the elevation high at 900m. By the time I was at 1500m it was showing almost 4moa high. And at 1600m, it was 4.75moa high.

Applied ballistics was perfect to what I was seeing out to the mile.
Huh, that's interesting. If i was getting that kind of grouping I'd be doing cartwheels. I really enjoy these kind of posts. Thanks again.
PS is that a range finder mounted on the left side?
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Old 07-04-2017, 03:16 PM
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Huh, that's interesting. If i was getting that kind of grouping I'd be doing cartwheels. I really enjoy these kind of posts. Thanks again.
PS is that a range finder mounted on the left side?
Yes, I was pleased with my results. And yes, that is a Laser Range Finder. It's an SWR Radius by SilencerCo.
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Old 07-04-2017, 08:07 PM
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Wow, absolutely awesome. They say it's not the destination but the journey, I'd say both are great!
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Old 07-04-2017, 09:56 PM
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Nicely done and a nice rig.
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:28 PM
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This has me even more excited about my .338 Norma build. Thanks for the journey.
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:19 PM
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Just a short post script to my original story...

Another great day at the Longest Mile...





Temperatures around 20c, little wind through the late morning to mid afternoon. Only 4 shooters on the range. What more could one ask for...? Heaven!

I had the pleasure to coach a fellow who had never shot beyond 300m to shoot my Timberwolf. His first shot, he smacked the gong at 1000m. He sure was excited. I really get a charge out of seeing the smile after someone shoots out further than they have ever done.
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I had the pleasure to coach a fellow who had never shot beyond 300m to shoot my Timberwolf. His first shot, he smacked the gong at 1000m. He sure was excited. I really get a charge out of seeing the smile after someone shoots out further than they have ever done.
Of course you realize that you just made a poor broke man out of him.
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Old 07-30-2017, 04:30 PM
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Very nice.
How tight are groups at 1000 or 1500 yards.
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Old 07-30-2017, 06:18 PM
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Yes, I may have started him on the road to financial ruin. As far as "groups" go, at 1km and beyond, I don't bother. It's the size of the steel and how many hits that are important. Just look at the 3 shot group in my first post. I wasn't trying to group. But my fundementals were sound and I had a really good result. Consistancy is my goal.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:28 PM
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your one mile group looks strikingly similar to the pattern on my 100 yard targets..

great shooting there fella!
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