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Old 10-08-2018, 04:34 PM
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In grade 4 we were given the BC hunters training course (CORE at the time) as par of the curriculum (it was the 70's). Can you imagine the s**t storm that would cause now!?!
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Old 10-08-2018, 05:10 PM
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Miller seems blind to longstanding presence of cultural and political influences in the classroom. His ignorance is surprising for someone in his position.

What *IS* Miller's concern? Is he concerned with non-fundamentals being included in the curriculum? Or is he just concerned with the presence of ideas he doesn't agree with?

The "Three Rs" methodology is 200 years old - Miller's recommendations are the best 1800 has to offer.

Miller's criticisms come off as an aging person's discomfort with change, more than they do informed criticism of the educational system.

Increasingly, it's clear that a portion of our society is non-binary. Some may dismiss this as a social experiment or fad, but more likely it's biological variations that have been suppressed by culture.

I'd rather have these folks acknowledged and included, than suffering in silence, and eventually killing themselves.


(ps. Any link to this article? )
People fear things they don't understand or cannot relate to. Often this leads to stern opposition. In the case of this topic, Gender, I don't quite understand it fully, nor can I relate, but people (and kids) have the right to be happy and the right not be persecuted. If schools teach understanding and tolerance - I'm OK with that.

Kids (and people) deserve to be who/what they want to be. It's not like tolerance and education will all of a sudden turn someone into something they are not. That's irrational fear. That's what drives this stern opposition to schools teaching their students about this issue.

At the end of the day there is nothing to fear from people who are different than you or me. Your kid won't catch "gay" from the gay kid next to him, won't become "binary" just because the kid next to him in Math class identifies that way, nor will be become Polish because he hangs out with Polish kids.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:42 PM
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In grade 4 we were given the BC hunters training course (CORE at the time) as par of the curriculum (it was the 70's). Can you imagine the s**t storm that would cause now!?!
I took the same in AB, though the cub scouts.

That shotgun sure shocked the bejezus out of 8 yr old me.

The text from that class sits right behind me on a shelf "Alberta Hunters and Conservation Education".

I'd be sad to hear that the same is no longer available to kids.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:44 PM
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People fear things they don't understand or cannot relate to.
There's a lot of truth there, and as I get older, struggle with it myself.

It's necessary to remind myself that things have value, and I shouldn't dismiss them just because I don't understand them.

And is sucks... cuz I'm not even that old yet.
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Old 10-09-2018, 08:24 AM
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At my son’s elementary school (by example rather than by intent) they’re taught that there is no such thing as a male teacher. There is not a one among perhaps 16-20 staff there? As ratio’s go 0% is pretty pathetic. I imagine that other elementary schools might have one or two male teachers to drag that ratio up to 5% between the three schools if another school has one male teacher and another has a whopping two? I’d really like to see the school boards stats on those numbers. I recall my own school experience and there were male teachers in both elementaries that I attended though I do recall that it was the older students they would be instructing, grade 4 and up. It’s curious how there are so few men, if any, teaching the earliest grades. I imagine other elementary schools might have one or two male teachers to drag that average to up around 5%. This clearly demonstrates there is an issue with a number of things: men entering the teaching profession, men experiencing many social prejudices to overcome in teaching at a grade school level, the hiring practices of the school board, possibly actions the principal herself. I sense a letter being compiled and co-addressed to the school board and levels of government.

I’m at the same time being sarcastic, ironic and serious about this. The irony is pointing out an occupation where men are underrepresented but nobody on the left has ever raised the issue about such an obvious gender representation inequality. Is it a workplace that’s toxic towards men? I’m serious in that if it weren’t for attitudes of so many it might be a job choice that more men would take and that I think it’s important for children to have some positive male influence during their developing years. Like nursing, teaching at younger grade levels is not something that is a calling for many men, but it’s a good job and it seems that something is awry if there is not a single male in an entire building, save for when the maintenance dept visits, and it’s not like those gents interact with the kids.
I think much of the reason has to do with perception and risk. In our world today some would ask about why a MAN would want to teach little kids, they would wonder what his motives were. Secondly being accused of anything would ruin a fellows career regardless if he was innocent or guilty
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:11 PM
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New K-4 curriculum will be tested in selected Alberta schools next year:

"We want to make sure that this new curriculum is actually focusing more laser-like on basic but fundamental foundational skills,” Eggen said Wednesday.

...That means reading, writing, communication (and) computational thinking....

...But it also means adding extra emphasis around mental-health issues, around confidence, around being able to express yourself … around safety and personal space (and) around consent.

...In English, for example, the focus remains on reading and writing, but also on speaking and listening.

In math, there will be an emphasis on rote work, such as multiplication tables, along with their wider applications, such as rudimentary money basics."


https://globalnews.ca/news/4534300/a...-fundamentals/


What are your thoughts?
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:12 AM
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Miller seems blind to longstanding presence of cultural and political influences in the classroom. His ignorance is surprising for someone in his position.

What *IS* Miller's concern? Is he concerned with non-fundamentals being included in the curriculum? Or is he just concerned with the presence of ideas he doesn't agree with?

The "Three Rs" methodology is 200 years old - Miller's recommendations are the best 1800 has to offer.

Miller's criticisms come off as an aging person's discomfort with change, more than they do informed criticism of the educational system.

Increasingly, it's clear that a portion of our society is non-binary. Some may dismiss this as a social experiment or fad, but more likely it's biological variations that have been suppressed by culture.

I'd rather have these folks acknowledged and included, than suffering in silence, and eventually killing themselves.


(ps. Any link to this article? )
what do you mean with binary
as far as I know male sex is male gender
female sex is female gender
that is how I read it in Genesis
we do not like the leftish line ot Trudeau- Notley -Eggen
that's why we agree with the article of Miller
if kids have questions about gender they should ask at home instead of the socialist ideas they teach them at school
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:33 AM
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Miller seems blind to longstanding presence of cultural and political influences in the classroom. His ignorance is surprising for someone in his position.

What *IS* Miller's concern? Is he concerned with non-fundamentals being included in the curriculum? Or is he just concerned with the presence of ideas he doesn't agree with?

The "Three Rs" methodology is 200 years old - Miller's recommendations are the best 1800 has to offer.

Miller's criticisms come off as an aging person's discomfort with change, more than they do informed criticism of the educational system.

Increasingly, it's clear that a portion of our society is non-binary. Some may dismiss this as a social experiment or fad, but more likely it's biological variations that have been suppressed by culture.

I'd rather have these folks acknowledged and included, than suffering in silence, and eventually killing themselves.


(ps. Any link to this article? )

Just to make it perfectly clear to everyone, this gender agenda is certainly NOT some new fad, in fact it is centuries old, what do you know about the Noahides?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=521s&v=zMkFfF0_KLY


https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=196s&v=uE8x2ld00kU

It's the way of the future.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xE6Trbo5XSE

Most people cannot process the fact that alot of celebrity entertainer's are transgender, men everywhere have been tricked into lusting after these trans "actor's"...women have had their body image distorted by trying to emulate transgender model's and entertainer's body types, it's really hard to accept the deception.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=189s&v=fb4mcH-sYDI
They tried to tell us, but we didn't listen...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=55s&v=WkqYoVbwgr4

Don't kill the messenger.

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Old 10-12-2018, 11:59 AM
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The first thing I did was teach my kids how to use an apostrophe. Everything else just fell into place from there.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:38 PM
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The first thing I did was teach my kids how to use an apostrophe. Everything else just fell into place from there.
This is excellent. So many kid's don't know how to use one.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:39 PM
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New K-4 curriculum will be tested in selected Alberta schools next year:

"We want to make sure that this new curriculum is actually focusing more laser-like on basic but fundamental foundational skills,” Eggen said Wednesday.

...That means reading, writing, communication (and) computational thinking....

...But it also means adding extra emphasis around mental-health issues, around confidence, around being able to express yourself … around safety and personal space (and) around consent.

...In English, for example, the focus remains on reading and writing, but also on speaking and listening.

In math, there will be an emphasis on rote work, such as multiplication tables, along with their wider applications, such as rudimentary money basics."


https://globalnews.ca/news/4534300/a...-fundamentals/


What are your thoughts?

So much outrage in this thread over the school system,
but so much silence when it is revised.

Sometimes I wonder if folks just like being mad.
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:01 AM
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So much outrage in this thread over the school system,
but so much silence when it is revised.

Sometimes I wonder if folks just like being mad.

It is hard to admit the present government may have done something right .
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Old 10-14-2018, 08:28 AM
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The first thing I did was teach my kids how to use an apostrophe. Everything else just fell into place from there.
Now, if we can only work on the misuse of "like". Seems anyone these days and that includes some fairly educated people, are unable to compose a sentence without using that word, at random.

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Old 10-14-2018, 08:44 AM
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So much outrage in this thread over the school system,
but so much silence when it is revised.

Sometimes I wonder if folks just like being mad.
Are you expecting folks to get outraged over the same thing again and again every time the thread is revisited?
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Old 10-14-2018, 09:25 AM
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Now, if we can only work on the misuse of "like". Seems anyone these days and that includes some fairly educated people, are unable to compose a sentence without using that word, at random.
Grizz
Many people use filler words, and have for a long time. It's fairly normal.

Not everyone can be perfect at everything - Why language shame?
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Old 10-14-2018, 09:26 AM
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Are you expecting folks to get outraged over the same thing again and again every time the thread is revisited?
Folks have loudly called for changes, yet fall silent when changes are made.

It would be interesting to hear is these changes are considered improvements, or otherwise.
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:02 AM
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Just to make it perfectly clear to everyone, this gender agenda is certainly NOT some new fad, in fact it is centuries old, what do you know about the Noahides?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=521s&v=zMkFfF0_KLY


https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=196s&v=uE8x2ld00kU

It's the way of the future.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xE6Trbo5XSE

Most people cannot process the fact that alot of celebrity entertainer's are transgender, men everywhere have been tricked into lusting after these trans "actor's"...women have had their body image distorted by trying to emulate transgender model's and entertainer's body types, it's really hard to accept the deception.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=189s&v=fb4mcH-sYDI
They tried to tell us, but we didn't listen...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=55s&v=WkqYoVbwgr4

Don't kill the messenger.
Let's agree to disagree.
I might have my definitions wrong, but as far as I know there are two sexes, and assigned gender roles to each (binary).
Enlightened people realize that a lot of people don't fit into these categories but are so called 'gender*****'.
The thing is that a person's sex is straightforward, as your chromosomes determine that (binary).
Gender is whatever people want to be.
Forcing kids in school to think about how they identify (and encouraging to think they are ***** or need to have surgical correction) before their sexual development is complete is as abusive as what the RCC did with the residential schools.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:07 AM
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Let's agree to disagree.
I might have my definitions wrong, but as far as I know there are two sexes, and assigned gender roles to each (binary).
Enlightened people realize that a lot of people don't fit into these categories but are so called 'gender*****'.
The thing is that a person's sex is straightforward, as your chromosomes determine that (binary).
Gender is whatever people want to be.
Forcing kids in school to think about how they identify (and encouraging to think they are ***** or need to have surgical correction) before their sexual development is complete is as abusive as what the RCC did with the residential schools.
My friend i think you are either are mistaken or are you are assuming that i believe in more than 2 genders.

I was merely showing reference material to back up the fact that this agenda is far older than most believe.

Did you watch the Noahide video?, it is explained in great detail who is pushing this agenda and why.
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Old 10-14-2018, 11:40 AM
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My friend i think you are either are mistaken or are you are assuming that i believe in more than 2 genders.

I was merely showing reference material to back up the fact that this agenda is far older than most believe.

Did you watch the Noahide video?, it is explained in great detail who is pushing this agenda and why.
Sorry
Iam not upset with you, I am upset with Notley-Eggen.
I started watching the first video last week and incorrectly assumed you were promoting Freemasonry, but watched them again and understand who is pushing this.
I do think that we all should stand on guard against this
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Old 10-14-2018, 04:44 PM
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Many people use filler words, and have for a long time. It's fairly normal.

Not everyone can be perfect at everything - Why language shame?
Well, I guess it's better than using the F word for that purpose, like a fellow traveler on a recent flight.

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Old 10-14-2018, 05:14 PM
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This is excellent. So many kid's don't know how to use one.
It's not just kids.
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:35 PM
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Most people cannot process the fact that alot of celebrity entertainer's are transgender, men everywhere have been tricked into lusting after these trans "actor's"...women have had their body image distorted by trying to emulate transgender model's and entertainer's body types, it's really hard to accept the deception.
I’m not sure if you aren’t taking enough medication or too much. Either way you might want to seek a professional opinion.
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:56 PM
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The main issue I have with the current education system is the NDPs agenda, alot of the issues they are pushing have nothing to do with actually educating students, and that the good teaches get the same rewards, aka salary, as the poor teachers, who in a normal job situation, would likely be let go. I suppose my main issue is therefore, not with the teachers, but the teachers union and Mr. Eggen.
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The main issue I have with the current education system is the NDPs agenda, alot of the issues they are pushing have nothing to do with actually educating students, and that the good teaches get the same rewards, aka salary, as the poor teachers, who in a normal job situation, would likely be let go. I suppose my main issue is therefore, not with the teachers, but the teachers union and Mr. Eggen.
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I do have a serious issue with their leftish anti-christian LBGTQ agenda
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I’m not sure if you aren’t taking enough medication or too much. Either way you might want to seek a professional opinion.
Are you a Dr.?

I guess you belong to the group of "most people"?
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I guess you belong to the group of "most people"?
Well now let’s be specific here. Do I agree that underwear models usually have a body composition that is unattainable for most women? Sure do. Do I believe that this is a result of a centuries old Jewish conspiracy that uses transgender people as models to advance a nefarious agenda? No, that’s insane.

I’m not so worried that you seem to believe anything you see in a YouTube video, that’s your problem. The disturbing part of this is that I seem to be the only one that will call you out on it, very disappointing.
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Well now let’s be specific here. Do I agree that underwear models usually have a body composition that is unattainable for most women? Sure do. Do I believe that this is a result of a centuries old Jewish conspiracy that uses transgender people as models to advance a nefarious agenda? No, that’s insane.

I’m not so worried that you seem to believe anything you see in a YouTube video, that’s your problem. The disturbing part of this is that I seem to be the only one that will call you out on it, very disappointing.
Do you feel better now?
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Now they will teach your kids how to use cannibis product on top of everything else.
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:09 PM
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I do have a serious issue with their leftish anti-christian LBGTQ agenda
What issue?
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Old 10-15-2018, 09:42 PM
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What issue?
You know what I mean. I wrote (yesterday)
FORCING KIDS IN SCHOOL TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY IDENTIFY( AND ENCOURAGING TO THINK THINK THEY ARE QUEEN (N=R) OR NEED TO HAVE SURGICAL CORRECTION) BEFORE THEIR SEXUAL DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE IS AS ABUSIVE AS WHAT THE RCC DID WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS.
That's where I have an issue with.
There is an article in the news today about a group of Westcoast pastors from BC with the same issue. I don't have the link right now but you can google it.
I am new to this forum, but surprised how many people are on it who are politicically to the left.
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