Contracts with the NRA being severed.

[270person]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

According to CNN? Ever been down there?

Lived there thanks. And sorry but it wasn't a CNN poll.

[dgl1948]

When Japan entered the Second World War there plan was to invade the US. They did not when Yamamoto warned their military leaders that there would be a gun behind every tree if they did.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by 270person

Lived there thanks. And sorry but it wasn't a CNN poll.

Florida?

[270person]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Florida?

Michigan actually. Makes a difference to you?

Down there for a masters degree at Michigan State. You?

[1fishnfool]

Originally Posted by 270person

That last line is the scary one. Not that it matters much for all the pretend soldier boys in the militia groups spread across the U.S. They'd cease to exist in 48 hours if the government got serious.

"Ya...we're rising up." Bang. Ok we're not. Waco. Bundy. Finnicum.

"We've got guns. We're powerful." Uh huh. Would change very quickly to "We're average Joe's with rifles. Not trained military with tanks and missles. Run."

If you think everyone would cease to exist in 48 hours answer this question.
How long has the military been fighting in Afghanistan? There are more fireams in the US than Afghanistan I'm sure and plenty of militarily trained veterans here also.

[1Heavyhitr]

Originally Posted by 270person

As I see it the NRA just has to quit being so paranoid. Nobody's threatening to take hunting rifles and shotguns away. Give some and win some or risk losing more when the anti numbers grow. 5,000,000 vs the rest of the country? Polls are showing now that 65% of Americans think the rules need to be rewritten and every time another mass murder occurs it'll grow.

I don't see a big problem with AR's restricted to 21 and over. I also think the gun show purchases to avoid background checks needs to end along with Trump's stupid rescinding of the mental health/firearms purchase bill. None of those screams "No more hunting - No more guns" that I can see.

This is laughable. You can't buy a gun but you can go and die for your country at 18? This FUDD way of thinking is exactly the problem. Maybe they should make it mandatory for states to report Criminals to NICS. There's 7 million prohibited people that can go in and pass a background check right now and buy a firearm. WHY? Florida police and social services dealt with this psycho that shot up the Florida school 39 times in the last year alone! This isn't a gun problem. Once you've eliminated all of the guns And this crap still happens what are you going to do next? What are they going to do when kids start running over people with cars? is a vehicle not projectile? Oh god there's millions of them unattended Everywhere! Why don't you ban cars? After you've eliminated all of the cars what are you going to do When some nut goes and creates harm to a bunch of people. Again. When do you start looking at the individual And the flawed mental health system?

[10aciousB]

Originally Posted by 270person

That last line is the scary one. Not that it matters much for all the pretend soldier boys in the militia groups spread across the U.S. They'd cease to exist in 48 hours if the government got serious.

"Ya...we're rising up." Bang. Ok we're not. Waco. Bundy. Finnicum.

"We've got guns. We're powerful." Uh huh. Would change very quickly to "We're average Joe's with rifles. Not trained military with tanks and missles. Run."

X2

If the U.S. government was set on killing Joe Murica, they would send an unmanned drone piloted remotely from a nice cozy control room 1,000 miles away to blow up his house, there's nothing Joe, or his 9mm could do about it.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Newview01

No, you have not said enough.

Are you opposed to the NRA catering to the desires of its members? The NRA believes in the second amendment which is as relevant today as it ever was. Do you have a problem with that?

I was wondering about that. A search asking does a majority of NRA members support stricter gun control Loire background checks suggests the exec at the NRA are not catering to members desires.

Are they catering to member or gun manufacturers and suppliers?

It is a good question you bring up.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Mulehahn

The second amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Though there no longer regulated militias the amendment was written with the intent that should the American Government itself attempt to destroy peoples freedoms they would fall. In that context the people should actually be better armed then the government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/second_amendment

Originally Posted by Newview01

Yes!! I just don't understand how people can't comprehend this.

Good link. Explains the interpretation of a law written so long ago.

Basically discusses is the language intended to a group or to an individual.

Does it pertain to people in a militia. Or the general public.

Since I live in Canada...they can do what they want in the US. It is their business to work it out.

[270person]

Originally Posted by 1Heavyhitr

This is laughable. You can't buy a gun but you can go and die for your country at 18? This FUDD way of thinking is exactly the problem. Maybe they should make it mandatory for states to report Criminals to NICS. There's 7 million prohibited people that can go in and pass a background check right now and buy a firearm. WHY? Florida police and social services dealt with this psycho that shot up the Florida school 39 times in the last year alone! This isn't a gun problem. Once you've eliminated all of the guns And this crap still happens what are you going to do next? What are they going to do when kids start running over people with cars? is a vehicle not projectile? Oh god there's millions of them unattended Everywhere! Why don't you ban cars? After you've eliminated all of the cars what are you going to do When some nut goes and creates harm to a bunch of people. Again. When do you start looking at the individual And the flawed mental health system?

Mental health system is one part of the problem yes, but you probably clapped when Trump rescinded Obama's bill. The NRA did. Can't have it both ways.

Great place to start? Take away lobbyists handing out money to politicians so you actually have people running the country that are there to voice their constituents wishes instead of those that some special interest group has paid them for.

And to my earlier point which you quoted...why so paranoid? Where in the conversations that have been happening since the last school massacre has there been any mention of banning hunting firearms, hunting, or range shooting? How have your hunting, shooting, and firearms ownership rights been infringed upon here in Canada by the rules we have in place? Maybe the US could adopt some of them. They clearly have issues.

[Weedy1]

Originally Posted by 270person

Great place to start? Take away lobbyists handing out money to politicians so you actually have people running the country that are there to voice their constituents wishes instead of those that some special interest group has paid them for.

ding, ding, ding, ding ,ding, we have a winner!!!


....that'll never happen.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by dgl1948

When Japan entered the Second World War there plan was to invade the US. They did not when Yamamoto warned their military leaders that there would be a gun behind every tree if they did.

That is a argument some make however historians seem to believe the reason was they had two main fronts in China and SE Asia that was taking most of their resources.

Had they taken over enough area and the war progressed US mainland would be a target.

Outside of a few limited attacks along the west coast Japan just did not have the equipment and manpower resources and logistics to fight another war in North America. They did not have the luxury of a base halfway across the ocean namely Hawaii.

However they did take over most of Americas territory and bases west of the Hawaiian islands.

It really had nothing to do with the NRA.

[Newview01]

More fallout.

We as outdoorspeople shouldn't be shopping at MEC anyway.

http://calgaryherald.com/pmn/news-pm...2-46297356c50d

VANCOUVER — Mountain Equipment Co-op says it will be meeting today to discuss future plans for several well-known outdoor brands owned by major U.S. ammunition and gun manufacturer Vista Outdoor Inc.

MEC has been facing increasing calls on social media to drop brands such as Giro, Camelback, and Blackburn because their Vista parent-company also produces a similar type of rifle to the one used in the Parkland, Florida shooting earlier this month that left 17 people dead.

MEC doesn’t sell firearms but does stock the helmets, sunglasses, and other outdoor equipment produced by Utah-based Vista.

A change.org petition calling on the Vancouver-based retailer to stop carrying the brands said it should do so to adhere to its mission of demonstrating ethical business practices.

MEC says on Twitter that senior management is meeting on the issue this morning and will have more to say later today.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by 270person

That last line is the scary one. Not that it matters much for all the pretend soldier boys in the militia groups spread across the U.S. They'd cease to exist in 48 hours if the government got serious.

"Ya...we're rising up." Bang. Ok we're not. Waco. Bundy. Finnicum.

"We've got guns. We're powerful." Uh huh. Would change very quickly to "We're average Joe's with rifles. Not trained military with tanks and missles. Run."

I don't think the Militia worries the govt. as much as it does other countries who don't consider a ground attack on the US. As stated elsewhere in this thread "a gun behind every tree", and probably no where in the world do you have as many citizens with as many guns and know how to use them. People may want to admit it but this is a huge deterrent to other countries attacking the citizens on the ground of the US in a war.

Can't find the link now but I did read that I believe just the gun owners from Minnesota, Wisconsin, Texas and one other state? would form one of the biggest militias in the world, from just 4 states!

[Stinky Buffalo]

Those companies listed... Are they actual "partners" with the NRA, or are some of them essentially just vendors?

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by 270person

Great place to start? Take away lobbyists handing out money to politicians so you actually have people running the country that are there to voice their constituents wishes instead of those that some special interest group has paid them for.

GOOD POINT ....start with the PETA, Y2Y, The Clinton Foundation, George Soro's many foundations, Then numerous anti-gun groups, the numerous anti-hunting groups, BLM, etc, etc, etc. In fact this side of the political spectrum is VERY VERY active in lobbying and raise funds and screaming to get their way.

Originally Posted by 270person

And to my earlier point which you quoted...why so paranoid? Where in the conversations that have been happening since the last school massacre has there been any mention of banning hunting firearms, hunting, or range shooting? How have your hunting, shooting, and firearms ownership rights been infringed upon here in Canada by the rules we have in place? Maybe the US could adopt some of them. They clearly have issues.

Because our laws and the processes are STUPID and based on fear and paranoia as well. Because we have seen the real plans...ie govt gun lockers. Because we have seen how it goes from banning semi-autos, then to pumps and lever guns, to restricting ownership further and further....MORE MORE MORE till NONE NONE NONE.

Canada's rules are a joke. And even if they are sufficient and good as you profess, we have a political hack-activist loaded firearms advisory committee that is sucking dollars and currently trying to come up with more inane restrictions.

They have issues???? It not like Canada doesn't have issues. And you miss the whole point. There is NEVER EVER EVER going to be a point where those opposed to guns will be happy unless there are no guns at all. They will never be happy with a balance. They will never be happy with reasonable rules based on fact. They will never be happy with logic. They will never be happy until there is no private gun ownership.

So why should anybody engage in a reasonable compromise with those that have no end to their demands and are unreasonable.

[Newview01]

Dick’s Sporting Good’s is spineless, and I would not be surprised to see their annual sales plummet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/b...le-rifles.html

One of the nation’s largest sports retailers, Dick’s Sporting Goods, said Wednesday morning it was immediately ending sales of all assault-style rifles in its stores.

The retailer also said that it would no longer sell high-capacity magazines and that it would not sell any gun to anyone under 21 years of age, regardless of local laws.

The announcement, made two weeks after the school shooting in Parkland, Fla., that killed 17 students and staff members, is one of the strongest stances taken by corporate America in the national gun debate. It also carries symbolic weight, coming from a prominent national gunseller.

[fitzy]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Dick’s Sporting Good’s is spineless, and I would not be surprised to see their annual sales plummet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/b...le-rifles.html

I would think they'd need a whole lot of spine to step out like that. I'm sure they expect a drop in sales.

[Rockman]

The NRA is losing support down there for a number of reasons. A lot of gun rights and gun "fanatics" are walking away from the NRA due to NRA stupidity in many ways. It's not only a political thing, it's common sense. Look and read around and you'll see what I mean.

It's always a bit surprising to see how many people lock onto the first thing they hear and won't dig a little deeper. There were a few failed issues that could've prevented that shooting. It's not entirely surprising that so many are a bit simplistic in some common views repeated a lot these days: "If the US just banned AR-15's, so many lives would be saved," "Most US citizens support stricter gun restrictions, it's just the NRA has such a powerful lobby," etc.

[wags]

Originally Posted by bobtodrick

I think this is actually laughable.
What do these companies expect to achieve?
None of them are monetary supporters of the NRA...they give (gave??) discounts to NRA members.
As someone pointed out, I doubt if there is one NRA member who joined the NRA to get the discount at Avis.
But I can guarantee that there are lot of NRA members that will no longer give their business to Avis.
What's the saying...stupid is as stupid does.

I wonder how many companies are gaining business/losing business over their decisions to publicly support something?

If you focus on the members, you're right, now much impact. If you focus on the rest of the country (countries) and how many people/business no longer will ship with fedex for example, the impact is quite large.

[wags]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

According to CNN? Ever been down there?

i agree with 270 and don't watch CNN.

[wags]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

GOOD POINT ....start with the PETA, Y2Y, The Clinton Foundation, George Soro's many foundations, Then numerous anti-gun groups, the numerous anti-hunting groups, BLM, etc, etc, etc. In fact this side of the political spectrum is VERY VERY active in lobbying and raise funds and screaming to get their way.

They're starting with the NRA

[wags]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Dick’s Sporting Good’s is spineless, and I would not be surprised to see their annual sales plummet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/b...le-rifles.html

Quite the opposite of spineless to do this. Quite courageous actually.

Good luck with the plummet. I think they probably just gained a few new customers!

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by Rockman

The NRA is losing support down there for a number of reasons. A lot of gun rights and gun "fanatics" are walking away from the NRA due to NRA stupidity in many ways. It's not only a political thing, it's common sense. Look and read around and you'll see what I mean.

It's always a bit surprising to see how many people lock onto the first thing they hear and won't dig a little deeper. There were a few failed issues that could've prevented that shooting. It's not entirely surprising that so many are a bit simplistic in some common views repeated a lot these days: "If the US just banned AR-15's, so many lives would be saved," "Most US citizens support stricter gun restrictions, it's just the NRA has such a powerful lobby," etc.

What is your source for the NRA losing support? I have tried to find some actual numbers, but if appears the NRA only has approximate membership numbers and they vary up and down from year to year but it seems like about 5 million. With annual membership fees alone bringing in about 200 million and total revenues of about 340 million I think they are going to stay relatively strong for some time yet.

I am sure that all of their members don't agree with everything the NRA does, but when the anti-gun lobby is constantly talking/lobbying about banning firearms memberships are going to remain high I believe. Memberships have spiked by as much as 65% following mass shootings as gun owners worry about the anti-gun push for bans that always follow these tragedies.

[Mr Flyguy]

One thing for sure: The gun manufacturers won't be breaking their symbiotic ties/relationships with the NRA!

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by fitzy

I would think they'd need a whole lot of spine to step out like that. I'm sure they expect a drop in sales.

Each company has a right to sell what they legally can but I think Dicks is sending the wrong message. I think some may accept the age (21) restriction but banning the AR15 just supports the idea that the guns are killing people not another person.

His sales are going to drop and they may find that other gun manufactures may decide not to sell Dicks any of their firearms or hunting supplies. Without any firearms or hunting supplies Dicks will see a substantial drop in business.

Gun manufactures/vendors can be a tight group, a few years ago (2013) a huge gun show in the US was cancelled when the NRA pulled out of the show. They were followed by hundreds of vendors after the show banned the exhibition of what they called military-style assault weapons. The town of Harrisburg estimated that because "Reeds Entertainment" refused to rescind the ban on displaying the AR15 and similar firearms, the businesses in their town lost about 44 million dollars.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by fitzy

I would think they'd need a whole lot of spine to step out like that. I'm sure they expect a drop in sales.

Originally Posted by wags

Quite the opposite of spineless to do this. Quite courageous actually.

Good luck with the plummet. I think they probably just gained a few new customers!

It is spineless because they caved to social justice, they are not basing business decisions on actual facts. They will lose a lot more money by stopping AR-15 sales than the alternative.

However, it is their business, and they can do as they please. We'll see how that works out I guess.

[Chuck_Wagon]

[Salavee]

Originally Posted by R3illy

Problem with the NRA is the total whack jobs within the group. Theyve got a major pr problem thanks to their hardcore nut jobs.

Surprisingly shooting 500 people in vegas or 20 grade 1 kids didnt change public perception like the shooting has in florida.

I see that Dick's Sporting Goods, one of the largest Firearms retailers in the US has modified it's position as well. They will no longer sell Firearms to anyone under 21 yrs of age and large capacity magazines will no longer be sold by them. Next ?

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by 270person

Michigan actually. Makes a difference to you?

Down there for a masters degree at Michigan State. You?

Big difference actually. Spent a fair bit of time working down south, in various states. From the east to the west. Have a pretty good grasp on what the citizens down there stand for. I believe you are wrong in your statement from my experience