Alberta fish slam ? - Page 2

crazyfish · #31 03-23-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by the holster

Lake Agnes, a beautiful alpine lake in a hanging valley above Lake Louise. It is illegal to fish for these.
the holster

I guess that if you can't legally fish for them that we wouldn't want to put it on the list ?

Makes me want to look into a few other things/ places and see all of what else has been tried for stocking !

#32 03-23-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyfish

I guess that if you can't legally fish for them that we wouldn't want to put it on the list ?

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LOL, I was kind of thinking the same thing.

If you can ever find a copy of "the Fishes of Alberta", there is some great info on many of the bizzare stocking attempts in Alberta.

Quebec Red Trout do exist and can be fished for as can Northern Dolly Varden so I guess they could be on the list. Mooneye are another for sure. The rumours regarding smallmouth are persistent but there hasn't been any recent evidence that I've seen but I guess it is a possibility.

DuckBrat · #33 03-23-2010, 05:58 PM

If you want some good info on this subject dig up some old articles from the nineties written by Kyle Mcneily. Alberta trout updates provided me with all the info to make trips for all of these trout/char species being talked about. He was the best writer that magazine ever saw. I have heard folks run into him from time to time on the trails but I have yet to be honored by his presence. I believe in 1988 he ran a story about this exact topic (trout/char in Alberta) it is the blue cover with the nice brookie on the front. A very informative piece, I'd love to scan it for you but I think there would be copywrite issues.

One more twist, try catching all the species on the Fly-rod over a summer.

crazyfish · #34 03-24-2010, 09:39 AM

i would love to watch someone try and land a big sturgeon on a fly rod !

That would be something for the photo album, what fly would you suggest that we try ? Not sure if i've ever heard of anyone even trying to catch one with a flyrod.

DuckBrat · #35 03-24-2010, 11:48 AM

It can be done. There was a small inconspicuous thread on it last summer started by a guy who had said he had caught one. Apparently his method worked as I landed a juvenile sturgeon on my 9 weight in August. Need lots of patience and a good spot. Search it, very interesting.

packhuntr · #36 03-25-2010, 05:33 AM

Dont forget to put catfish on the list. Theres only 1 river in Alberta that has them, but have them we do.

DuckBrat · #37 03-25-2010, 11:31 AM

Yay milk river! Stone cats.

the local angler · #38 03-25-2010, 11:56 AM

interesting but since the stone cats is not on the alberta game species what would be the regs on them? like limits and keepable sizes, etc...?never tried cat fish before.

DuckBrat · #39 03-25-2010, 12:00 PM

They are not considered a game fish so they are not regulated as such. Keep in mind the stone cats are not populous and rarely exceed 10" in Alberta.

http://fieldguide.mt.gov/detail_AFCKA02070.aspx

crazyfish · #40 03-25-2010, 02:29 PM

I think the catfish wouldn't make my list, not listed as a sportfish, and not the best odds of getting one. Personal choice, but not for my list !

McLeod · #41 03-25-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyfish

I guess that if you can't legally fish for them that we wouldn't want to put it on the list ?

Makes me want to look into a few other things/ places and see all of what else has been tried for stocking !

There are still splake in Alberta. Of the few people that know where they are , the chances of them telling you where are slim and none and slim might just have left town...

#42 03-25-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by McLeod

There are still splake in Alberta. Of the few people that know where they are , the chances of them telling you where are slim and none and slim might just have left town...

LOL.....I'd like to see some proof. Seems stocking of them ended in the 60s and Agnes is the only lake that shows recorded successful natural reproduction that I'm aware of.

DuckBrat · #43 03-25-2010, 03:21 PM

FYI

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business...ge/200080.html

Seems like it is quite difficult to tell them apart from lakers.

Also are there any confirmations that the Lake agnes fish reproduce as I cut and paste this tidbit form wikipedia.

"The only known natural reproduction has occurred in 5 lakes in Algonquin Provincial Park in Ontario, Canada and, in each case, only a handful of progeny were produced. "

#44 03-25-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DuckBrat

FYI

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Business...ge/200080.html

Seems like it is quite difficult to tell them apart from lakers.

Also are there any confirmations that the Lake agnes fish reproduce as I cut and paste this tidbit form wikipedia.

"The only known natural reproduction has occurred in 5 lakes in Algonquin Provincial Park in Ontario, Canada and, in each case, only a handful of progeny were produced. "

Nelson and Paetz say they have reproduced for several generations in Agnes so that's good enough for me. I'd tend to believe them over Wiki.....

McLeod · #45 03-25-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

LOL.....I'd like to see some proof. Seems stocking of them ended in the 60s and Agnes is the only lake that shows recorded successful natural reproduction that I'm aware of.

I am sure someone could take to one of those spots but then they would have to kill you after to keep it a secret and we enjoy your writings so I would not want to see that. LOL

But I am sure a picture could be made available sometime this year.

#46 03-25-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by McLeod

I am sure someone could take to one of those spots but then they would have to kill you after to keep it a secret and we enjoy your writings so I would not want to see that. LOL

But I am sure a picture could be made available sometime this year.

LOL...I'd settle for a picture...with that day's newspaper beside it...lol

I guess it's possible they exist outside of Agnes but I sure haven't been able to track anything concrete down from conversations with biologists and anglers that enjoy hunting rare Alberta fish. Cross the border into Saskatchewan now, and you'll find all kinds of them.

DuckBrat · #47 03-25-2010, 04:28 PM

Nelson and Paetz?? Fishes of Alberta?

#48 03-25-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DuckBrat

Nelson and Paetz?? Fishes of Alberta?

Yup

crazyfish · #49 03-25-2010, 04:42 PM

read that they also stocked them in emerson lake around edson. Also many moons ago !

crazyfish · #50 03-25-2010, 04:51 PM

they also tried smallies , north of smoky lake town, in island lake, even introduced crayfish to try and help them have a better food source. Both seemed to have been unsuccessful.

HerdBull · #51 03-25-2010, 04:58 PM

A year or two into my new career as a fishing guide 10 years ago, I decided to try and catch every fish classified as an Alberta Game Fish in one calender year, Jan 1 to Dec. 31. Let me tell you, its a hell of a task lol. The first year I missed it by a Sauger and a goldeye. The next year I got em all thanks to an uncle that is a pro on the NSR lol. The Golden Trout was an awesome trip with some close encounters with Grizzlies, the sturgeon was boring as hell down south, just about everything else was a pretty normal day of fishin within a couple hrs of calgary. The brookie was a bit of a bitch tho, think that one cost me about $500 before I finally got him lol. I think the only fair way to do it is to use the Sport Fish of Alberta list. There's a ton of cross breeds and legends out there, but this is the only hard proven list we have

DANOMAN · #52 03-25-2010, 05:29 PM

you can get quebec red trout in the james river along the forestry trunk road was about 5 yrs ago since i've been there but they do exist!

McLeod · #53 03-26-2010, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DANOMAN

you can get quebec red trout in the james river along the forestry trunk road was about 5 yrs ago since i've been there but they do exist!

I would like to see that because to my knowledge Quebecs were only ever handed over to the bio's at National parks.

McLeod · #54 03-26-2010, 07:46 AM

[QUOTE=sheephunter;545537]LOL...I'd settle for a picture...with that day's newspaper beside it...lol

That could be do able...

Fishfinder · #55 03-26-2010, 09:01 AM

Time n money. Only two things suppressing all of us from being Albertan slammers ( o ya...and the wife and/or Gfriend). Unless u got the right one. (Congrads Jeff n better half

)

Let's make it a challenge...I know I will not win...but u Northern folk, could do the sweep??

Mr. Stang. Mr. Hillbilly

. BBJ. JTS, and the many others that could outfish me in a half hr.. I know this is an offer u cannot refuse?? Heck I would love to c somebody do the "Slam".... Tuff task. Reel fisherpeople need only apply

Down south here, we are limited...to 5ft sturg(so far) n Walters to die for

Alex K · #56 03-26-2010, 09:02 AM

As for the Splake discussion, supposedly they still exist in Minniwanka. Now I won't profess to having positively identify them but as I said in my earlier post I did have one Laker I kept that did look a slight bit different from the others I had that day. It so happened that on that day a Biologist was at their creel survey booth and he claimed that the fish was in fact a splake. Personally it just looked like another laker to me so not sure.

Now I have collected many books on fish over the years including Fishes of Alberta and also several books specific to Trout Species.

Here Is a little info from one of them on the Quebec Red Trout and Golden Trout I found quite interesting. It is from information put together by Robert J Behnke one of the foremest authorities on Trout species.

He talks about a relict Arctic Char which is known to occur in lakes in Southern Quebec commonly known as the Quebec Red trout as being given the name Salvelinus Marstoni in 1893.
In more recent times, he and other icthyologists have reviewed studies of relict Arctic Char. They all concur that there are no consistent differences in taxonomy between the Sunappee Golden Trout, Blueback Trout, and the Quebec Red Trout. They went on to say that they should all be classified under one subspeciesof Arctic Char. Under that rules of Taxonomy when 2 or more species or sub species are combined into one the oldest name is to be used. Therefore they are all classified as Salvelinus alpinus oquassa.

So there you go Goldens and Quebec Red Trout are in fact the same subspecies of Arctic Char.

But back to the original question could you do all in one week. I think it would need to be more like a total season only because some fish are easier caught in certain times of the year. Take Burbot for instance, if you were to hit any location just at ice out you may still have a chance but this fish is a very cold species fish and getting them in open water is very difficult. Very early spring or fall still doable but better chance ice fishing. I could go down through every species but, they all have a prime time to fish for them that will increase chances of success.
So if you started in spring right through to fall and timed everything right it could be done

Just my thoughts

Best regards and good fishing

Alex Kreis

#57 03-26-2010, 10:15 AM

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So there you go Goldens and Quebec Red Trout are in fact the same subspecies of Arctic Char.

The Golden trout we have in Alberta aren't a char...they are a subspecies of rainbow trout. I'm not sure what a Sunappee Golden Trout is but it's not the golden trout we have in Alberta.

McLeod · #58 03-26-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

The Golden trout we have in Alberta aren't a char...they are a subspecies of rainbow trout. I'm not sure what a Sunappee Golden Trout is but it's not the golden trout we have in Alberta.

You are correct..

Golden trout are native to the Sierra Nevada mountain ranges of California. While their range has been expanded internationally to Canada, Europe, and Africa through stocking, populations have declined in their native range due to over-fishing, habitat change, and hybridization with introduced species. There are several programs and agencies dedicated to golden trout restoration projects in the USA.

Alberta's golden trout are likely the most northerly population in existence. Alberta's golden trout were obtained through international agreement with the USA in the 1950s and 70s. However, it's unlikely that we will be able to get more, and the few lakes with goldens in Alberta are probably all that we will ever have. Hence, these have become both our brood stock and recreation fishery. As more people pursue golden trout careful management and planning will be required to ensure their long-term viability.

Golden trout were originally stocked in Alberta in 1959 in Barnaby and Rainy Ridge Lakes. In 1977,1100 to 1900 golden trout juveniles of 6cm length were introduced into Michele, Coral, and Lost Guide Lakes. Angling closures were implemented for several years to allow the populations to gain a foothold. Eventually, follow-up studies in 1980 through 1982 showed successful plants had occurred. However, the users of the horse trails past Lost Guide Lake had the lake fished out completely before it was even open to legal fishing, and no golden trout exist there today.

There was aslo an attempt to stock Goldens in Jasper...
There are no Goldens in BC they say but...