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07-30-2020, 01:20 PM
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Creedmoor heavy bullets loads
I recently purchased a 6.5 Creed. I am thinking of shooting the heavy for class bullets like the 153 Gr bergers or others like it. I have a 1/8 twist barrel. I am curious what you fellas are shooting and what sort of velocities your getting with your specific loads.
I have a 6.5x47 lapua and I want to keep that to the 140 and lighter bullets. (Its shoots these great)
I bought the Creed for the slightly extra case capacity. So I can shoot the bigger bullets. What Brass / Powder / Bullet combo's are working well for you?
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08-01-2020, 02:38 PM
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I haven't shot the Berger yet, but have shot a bunch of another, similar bullet.
Hornady 147ELDM
Alpha or Hornady brass
H4350 or IMR4451
CCIBR2 or Tula LR
A mixture of these have worked in several rifles. Usually much better than MOA. 2650-2675 FPS.
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08-08-2020, 03:39 PM
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Your choice of the 6.5 Creedmoor for use with the heavy for cal bullets brings up a question. Perhaps a much better choice would have been a modern actioned 6.5 Swede É
With about 4 gr.s more case capacity than the CM. going that route would have increased your MV to the mid 2800`s with a bullet like a 143 ELDx and a modern powder - without excess pressure ( less than 58,000 psi) and with every bit of the accuracy that the CM can produce. I always wondered what the magical draw to The CM ctdge. was all about.. especially with the heavier bullets. Still curious. Need some help. No diss intended.
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08-08-2020, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Salavee
I always wondered what the magical draw to The CM ctdge. was all about.. especially with the heavier bullets. Still curious. Need some help. No diss intended.
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The Creedmoor is a good cartridge ballistically, and a great cartridge for what it was designed for which is Across the course match shooting in AR length has and bolt actions that encorporate the AI style mags .
Anything else is imagined because it won't do anything more than the .260 Remington or the Swede.
I shoot the Creedmoor regularly as well as the .260.
In the actions of my choice the length of a cartridge is not an issue anyway.
Would I buy another Creednmoor?
Only victor was chambered in a rifle I liked .
Hornady has done a fantastic job if component and factory ammo availability and their advertising department also is stellar .
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08-08-2020, 04:19 PM
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156 EOL Bergers over 46.0grs of RL 26 gets 2780fps in my 6.5 creed.
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08-08-2020, 04:37 PM
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I never shot anything heavier than the 147 Hornadys in my 6.5 Creedmoor , but they were certainly accurate to 1K with the sling 'n' irons, but I quit shooting them because the 140's were just as good.
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08-09-2020, 12:03 PM
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147 gr eldm
h4350 40.7 gr
BR2 primers
Lapua SR brass
@ 2633 fps
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08-09-2020, 08:48 PM
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None taken
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salavee
Your choice of the 6.5 Creedmoor for use with the heavy for cal bullets brings up a question. Perhaps a much better choice would have been a modern actioned 6.5 Swede É
With about 4 gr.s more case capacity than the CM. going that route would have increased your MV to the mid 2800`s with a bullet like a 143 ELDx and a modern powder - without excess pressure ( less than 58,000 psi) and with every bit of the accuracy that the CM can produce. I always wondered what the magical draw to The CM ctdge. was all about.. especially with the heavier bullets. Still curious. Need some help. No diss intended.
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I may have made a mistake. I have been shooting 140 ELdM out of my 6.5x47 lapua @ 2800+ and I thought that the Creed might get me up over 2900 or maybe I could shoot the 156 grain projectiles in the 2700 FPS I think that I might have had to high of expectations.
I also bought it because I dont always enjoy reloading. Some days its very rewarding but other days its a chore. So I thought to get a Creed and you can buy off the shelf ammo. That has been nice I must say. Cant do that with a x47L
Seems like they are pretty close.
One thing that is fascinating is how the X47L loves varget but the Creed doesnt. Very Interesting.
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08-09-2020, 10:41 PM
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A 6.5x47 shooting 140's at 2800+ is a stout load and a long barrel. I have pushed the Creed pretty fast with N550 and 147's nearing 2900 in a 26" barrel, but brass life is short. My current match load has them doing 2750 over 41.3 H4350 and I can easily get to a mile and on good days in the right location have stretched them a ways past that. Speed isn't everything.
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08-10-2020, 01:14 PM
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Thanks
That sounds like an interesting load. Its more inline with what I was looking to do.
And yes my x47L is pretty stout and its a 28" barrel I believe.
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08-10-2020, 02:35 PM
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Your thoughts
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Originally Posted by madcarpenter
156 EOL Bergers over 46.0grs of RL 26 gets 2780fps in my 6.5 creed.
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What were you thoughts on that bullet? Did it group well was it fussy? I am pretty interested.
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08-12-2020, 09:52 PM
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Bullet shoots awesome and isn’t picky at all.
My Legendary Arms Works Professional II stacks them into a ragged hole loaded to the max mag length. They buck the wind great and hit hard.
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08-12-2020, 11:06 PM
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Brass
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Originally Posted by madcarpenter
Bullet shoots awesome and isn’t picky at all.
My Legendary Arms Works Professional II stacks them into a ragged hole loaded to the max mag length. They buck the wind great and hit hard.
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Are you using Lapua Brass?
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08-14-2020, 06:06 PM
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Yes and magnum small rifle primers
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markg
That sounds like an interesting load. Its more inline with what I was looking to do.
And yes my x47L is pretty stout and its a 28" barrel I believe.
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Mark im also shooting a 28" barrel did you have to adjust loads for the longer barrel?
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11-16-2023, 06:50 PM
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I use 140gr Berger hybrids with the Creedmoor. My barrel is a 1:7.5” twist and the 140’s are very accurate. I seat them back .010” from the lands, which means single feeding. If you need a length to fit your mag, going long as I have done probably won’t work for you. I use CCI BR2’s under 44gr of IMR4350. And with a 26” pipe, I’m getting around 2850fps.
If it were me, I wouldn’t go as heavy as 153. Just like I wouldn’t go above 185gr in a .308win. There’s just not enough juice to go that heavy with the Creedmoor and get anything close to decent case life.
YMMV
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11-17-2023, 09:26 AM
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Yea, this is an old thread, and I'm sure he has figured out what to use and at what speed.
Just to add info for others.
I'm using the 139 gr scenars going just over 2900 fps with RL16. It likes N555 almost as much, but only pushing just under 2800 fps. Did not like the h4350 I tried with several bullets.
I'm in a 26" barrel, 1-8 twist.
It shot the 130 gr bergers I had just as well. Tried the 142 gr sierra, and they shot well also, but I settled on the scenars instead. The 142 is a very viable alternative for me.
I use my 156 gr bergers in the 6.5 prc and push those over 2900 fps.
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11-17-2023, 02:32 PM
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Yes it is an old thread
Ya its an old thread. I did figure it out, but thanks. I am currently shooting 140 Elite Hunter and Hybrid Target from Berger. Cool thing is they have the same point of impact, and same velocity. Bad thing is I am almost out of them.
Good thing is I was able to buy 1000 Lapua 139gr Scenars. I hear great things about this bullet so I am really looking forward to it. The BC isnt quite that of the Bergers but its not to bad. Nice thing will be once I work up a load I wont have to worry about for a couple or three months. I find myself shooting alot more lately. I am loving this new Curtis Valor build.
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