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Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck
If HAMAS is the Government of Gaza, and has been for years, and have staged numerous rocket attacks this year alone in January / February, then why are the people of Gaza suddenly surprised by the consequences of HAMAS actions?
Those who wish to leave Gaza should leave. If they do not want anything to do with HAMAS, then leaving Gaza would demonstrate their removal of support for HAMAS.
Perhaps the people of Gaza should have protested the actions of HAMAS in Gaza?
But the people of Gaza have not protested HAMAS policies before, and did not take issue with HAMAS rhetoric for more than a decade. So why did they stay in Gaza for so long? Is it that they support HAMAS?
They have picked their side long ago. Peace was never in their vocabulary.
HAMAS did not call to warn of a terrorist action at a Music Festival. HAMAS did not give a warning shot before opening fire on cars and people on the street. HAMAS did not tell people to vacate their homes before the terrorists broke down doors and killed everyone in side.
There will be no food, no water, and no electricity in Gaza. And that is just the start of things.
This sudden naivety of the Israeli response is incredible.
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So you are a big Trudeau supporter and are in favor of all his policies since you live in Canada?
The reality is there is innocent people in Gaza that don’t support HAMAS and it’s not always easy for people to just leave. Just because someone lives somewhere doesn’t mean they support the government in power or terrorist in the area
The truth is war sucks and innocent people who want nothing to do with it caught in the middle. There is plenty of people who are too busy struggling just to live their lives to be involved in what has caused theses disputes
Israel has full rights to defend/retaliate against HAMAS but really just because someone lives in an area doesn’t mean they are in support of their leaders or are guilty of their crimes
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10-10-2023, 04:06 PM
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Those who wish to leave Gaza should leave.
Not an option, none of the Arab countries are willing to take them and it's not a democratic society, an enclave run by terrorists. People there are desperately poor as well. Someone on the news claimed it was the most densely populated place on Earth. Jordan had a large Palestinian population until they tried to take over the country and were expelled forcefully. Lebanon, another crap hole is run by the rival faction Hezbollah.
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10-10-2023, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1
Those who wish to leave Gaza should leave.
Not an option, none of the Arab countries are willing to take them and it's not a democratic society, an enclave run by terrorists. Someone on the news claimed it was the most densely populated place on Earth. Jordan had a large Palestinian population until they tried to take over the country and were expelled forcefully. Lebanon, another crap hole is run by the rival faction Hezbollah.
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Take Edmonton, divide the area into 25-30 equal squares. Then take about 2.5 million people and put them in one. Then tell them to evacuate their homes because they are going to be bombed, but they cannot physically leave the square they are in.
I have no idea what the solution is there and not pretending to know.
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10-10-2023, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fishnguy
They cannot leave, literally. The only way out was through Egypt, which Israel bombed. Even if it wasn’t bombed, Egypt does not allow “free” cross-border movement. People in Gaza are basically stuck in Gaza, regardless of what is going on and how many bombs fall from above and where they fall. There are UN shelters (schools they call them, as well as other shelters), but not only capacity is limited, they are all still inside Gaza and have been hit before numerous times. So it’s not that simple at all. Basically, you do not want to be born in Gaza and if you are, the options are extremely limited and your fate is more or less written.
Moreover, it is like saying people who do not want to be part of any conflict should just get out. 1) they do not have the means and 2) no one wants them. Of course, there are also 3) and 4) and so on. But these are the basics that in this situation, including the clause that they literally cannot get out of Gaza.
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Why are they in Gaza in first place? All kinds of other countries with no Jews and similar beliefs.
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10-10-2023, 04:31 PM
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So you are a big Trudeau supporter and are in favor of all his policies since you live in Canada?
The reality is there is innocent people in Gaza that don’t support HAMAS and it’s not always easy for people to just leave. Just because someone lives somewhere doesn’t mean they support the government in power or terrorist in the area
The truth is war sucks and innocent people who want nothing to do with it caught in the middle. There is plenty of people who are too busy struggling just to live their lives to be involved in what has caused theses disputes
Israel has full rights to defend/retaliate against HAMAS but really just because someone lives in an area doesn’t mean they are in support of their leaders or are guilty of their crimes
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Why would a Trudeau supporter live in Alberta? Lots of other wrecked woke provinces. Go live there
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10-10-2023, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1
Those who wish to leave Gaza should leave.
Not an option, none of the Arab countries are willing to take them and it's not a democratic society, an enclave run by terrorists. People there are desperately poor as well. Someone on the news claimed it was the most densely populated place on Earth. Jordan had a large Palestinian population until they tried to take over the country and were expelled forcefully. Lebanon, another crap hole is run by the rival faction Hezbollah.
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If they wanted peace they would take them. They only have one final solution for peace.
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10-10-2023, 05:02 PM
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Why would a Trudeau supporter live in Alberta? Lots of other wrecked woke provinces. Go live there
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I think you get the point of the post
And yes you can even find Trudeau supporters in Alberta just as there will be innocent people in Gaza too
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10-10-2023, 05:04 PM
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Wikipedia is wrong . They don't mention
David ,Caleb,etc eradicated the Canaanites.
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10-10-2023, 05:13 PM
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Wikipedia is wrong . They don't mention
David ,Caleb,etc eradicated the Canaanites.
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Seems like you know then?
PS the wiki may be wrong, but I would not cite bible as a “correct” source either. What daws it say bout what’s in the second link?
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10-10-2023, 05:35 PM
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I think you get the point of the post
And yes you can even find Trudeau supporters in Alberta just as there will be innocent people in Gaza too
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Smoky Buck,
Trudeau has not stood up on a daily basis calling for the eradication of another nation.
If Trudeau and his Government did make that their reason for existence, and the Country kept him and his party in power, that would be reason to leave or to attempt to change the government, or separate from Canada.
For HAMAS since their accepted rule from 2007, that has always been what they stood for.
The people who are there would have been removed from Gaza if they were opposition, or they would have left on their own accord. They did not.
The fact is that nations like Iran keep sending money and food to the HAMAS Supporters, which is why anyone is in Gaza in the first place.
All those apartment blocks did not build themselves.
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10-10-2023, 05:40 PM
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Why would a Trudeau supporter live in Alberta? Lots of other wrecked woke provinces. Go live there
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Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck
Smoky Buck,
Trudeau has not stood up on a daily basis calling for the eradication of another nation.
If Trudeau and his Government did make that their reason for existence, and the Country kept him and his party in power, that would be reason to leave or to attempt to change the government, or separate from Canada.
For HAMAS since their accepted rule from 2007, that has always been what they stood for.
The people who are there would have been removed from Gaza if they were opposition, or they would have left on their own accord. They did not.
The fact is that nations like Iran keep sending money and food to the HAMAS Supporters, which is why anyone is in Gaza in the first place.
All those apartment blocks did not build themselves.
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Sorry I highly doubt Gaza is just one big hive mind
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10-10-2023, 05:57 PM
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Well here is the opportunity for normal Palestinians to rise up and demand a removal of HAMAS from Gaza.
In fact, this is their best chance to demonstrate good will with the Israelis as HAMAS is being dismantled.
But we do not see moderates on the streets of GAZA or on the streets of London, England or Toronto, Canada, do we? They celebrate the slaughter of unarmed civilians by HAMAS. A small price to pay, apparently, for the greater cause.
One only has to ask where are the moderates in the Palestinian communities in Gaza and around the world?
Why are there no leaders of these Palestinian communities in Gaza, or around the world, standing by the side of Israel and volunteering to help put an end to this madness?
That would demonstrate credibility. That would demonstrate a willingness to work towards peace.
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Take Edmonton, divide the area into 25-30 equal squares. Then take about 2.5 million people and put them in one. Then tell them to evacuate their homes because they are going to be bombed, but they cannot physically leave the square they are in.
I have no idea what the solution is there and not pretending to know.
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I feel your areas are a bit off.....
Area Edmonton, approx. 764 sq km.
Area of Gaza, approx. 365 sq. km.
So roughly double the population of Edmonton in half the area no?
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10-10-2023, 07:32 PM
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Seems like you know then?
PS the wiki may be wrong, but I would not cite bible as a “correct” source either. What daws it say bout what’s in the second link?
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Doesn't even mention Judah or Israel. Hard to talk about what is going on without talking about religion.
Israel is only place in this strategic spot of the world that is as democracy and doesn't want to kill us.
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The fact is that nations like Iran keep sending money and food to the HAMAS Supporters, which is why anyone is in Gaza in the first place.
All those apartment blocks did not build themselves.
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To be more accurate....
"that nations like Iran and Canada keep sending money and food to Gaza "
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10-10-2023, 08:12 PM
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To be more accurate....
"that nations like Iran and Canada keep sending money and food to Gaza "
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According to news reports, over 90 % of the people in Gaza depend on foreign humanitarian aid, with a high birth rate to boot and most are descendant of Palestinians displaced in 1947. They are not Happy Campers.
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When Afghanistan was being taken over by the Taliban. There are millions of Afghani fleeing their country. When Israel is being under siege I would estimate, there are thousands of Israelis who want to go back home and fight. Go figure enough said.
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Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck
Well here is the opportunity for normal Palestinians to rise up and demand a removal of HAMAS from Gaza.
In fact, this is their best chance to demonstrate good will with the Israelis as HAMAS is being dismantled.
But we do not see moderates on the streets of GAZA or on the streets of London, England or Toronto, Canada, do we? They celebrate the slaughter of unarmed civilians by HAMAS. A small price to pay, apparently, for the greater cause.
One only has to ask where are the moderates in the Palestinian communities in Gaza and around the world?
Why are there no leaders of these Palestinian communities in Gaza, or around the world, standing by the side of Israel and volunteering to help put an end to this madness?
That would demonstrate credibility. That would demonstrate a willingness to work towards peace.
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Problem is the systemic brain washing means generations grow up knowing nothing different.
It’s a perpetual circle of hatred that sees no end. It will take a far stronger leader than they have… plus someone who somehow escapes assassination.
Any negotiations needs both sides wanting a deal.
If there was a means to fix it… one would think the idea has come up that’s a win/win.
Sadly it appears the lose/lose seems to win the day.
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Why are they in Gaza in first place? All kinds of other countries with no Jews and similar beliefs.
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You know Israel is actually annexed Palestinian land right ? Created in 1949 by Britain and the U.N. to make a home for jews after ww2. That being said , where would you like them to go?
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10-10-2023, 11:11 PM
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I feel your areas are a bit off.....
Area Edmonton, approx. 764 sq km.
Area of Gaza, approx. 365 sq. km.
So roughly double the population of Edmonton in half the area no?
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Sorry, when I talk about a city, any city, I always talk about the metropolitan area. I guess that is confusing/misleading. So my in-head calculation was based on that number:
To make more sense, compare the population densities. Gaza has about 15,500 people living on every square mile, on average. Most populated areas have population density significantly higher than that (which is probably what those reports are referring to when they say one of the most densely populated place in the world, which would make it a true statement; it ain’t otherwise). Edmonton (the city of) has population density of about 3,500 people per square mile. That would make it a better, but still not necessarily proper or complete comparison.
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Sohi make a comment and now is in hot waters ….
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When Afghanistan was being taken over by the Taliban. There are millions of Afghani fleeing their country. When Israel is being under siege I would estimate, there are thousands of Israelis who want to go back home and fight. Go figure enough said.
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They are pretty much fighting each other in Afghanistan. This is not the case in this situation. Also, one needs something to fight for.
Also, Israel was created with the idea of a place where every Jew, regardless of where they come from would always be welcome and would always be helped. The land where they would live together as a nation and protect each other and defend the state. And so on. Keep in mind when it was created, what happened just prior with the nazis, and the fact that most places in the world still didn’t want to accept them (Jews) with arms wide open, before, during, or after what happened.
It may sound as “believe it or not” type of thing, but there are Jews who live in the US, here in Canada, other places in the world, who travel to Israel and serve in the army before coming back to their places of residence. This time I hear, some of the dudes wearing payot “hair style” came and asked to sign up for service, which isn’t exactly their thing (basically, this is the first time it happened, which I have on a very good word; these guys are also almost the only ones exempt from service in Israel, where both women and men are mandated to serve).
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10-10-2023, 11:29 PM
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Doesn't even mention Judah or Israel. Hard to talk about what is going on without talking about religion.
Israel is only place in this strategic spot of the world that is as democracy and doesn't want to kill us.
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You just have to look through the second link in my post and don’t need to look much further than that.
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Forgot to mention that anyone cheering for what happened in Israel a few days go, should be sent back to where they came from.
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This squabble as horrible as it I say will fizz out but remember this there will always be that amber of hate just waiting to flare up again.....and again...and again.
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This squabble as horrible as it I say will fizz out but remember this there will always be that amber of hate just waiting to flare up again.....and again...and again.
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With one side that will only be satisfied with the deaths of all of it's enemies, it will never end.
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Sohi make a comment and now is in hot waters ….
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Yes, Sohi absolutely equated the Hamas terror attack with Israel's response and he doubled down again yesterday on it.
Funny how so many want to talk about humanitarian crisis in Gaza instead of what caused it. Sick.
Meanwhile, terrorist sympathizers in his crap hole city were out celebrating the attack on Israel by Hamas. He outright said it is his job to support people on both sides of the "conflict". Ha, ya "conflict".
Remember, this guy was jailed in India over claims of terrorism on his part there. He calls it activist work. This is no different than when his fellow yellow cab drivers cheered for the 9-11 attack in NY while lined up at the Edmonton International Airport. pumping their fists in the air.
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Israel is only place in this strategic spot of the world that is as democracy and doesn't want to kill us.
The Palestinians Have grievances no doubt, but this is how I rationalize it. The economic and political contrast between Israel and other countries in the Middle East is mind boggling. If Israel hadn't been created, Palestine would just be another desert with a few palm trees.
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You know Israel is actually annexed Palestinian land right ? Created in 1949 by Britain and the U.N. to make a home for jews after ww2. That being said , where would you like them to go?
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You know 1700 years before Christ and before Palestinians ,etc the Israelites where there.
Abraham, Jacob and Issac would be good reading.
Original inhabitants were Nephilim which is Hebrew for fallen as in fallen angels.
Amorites,Anikims, Rephaim,Anak ,Emin and Zuzim are all linked together. Same Canaanite blood.
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