Dont Tell Your Spots

Yet another post on this, I apologize.

After reading some of the posts and threads on this subject I have come to realize that some of us as anglers are living in some sort of magical fantasy land. For the few of you who still refuse to believe that posting specific information will ruin a lake, I suggest you view some of the other forums over the internet.

Many websites have set-up "Rules" for posting fishing reports. They encourage a fishing report but no location. Whats the problem with this?
The more important question is why have they done this? Its because lakes have been destroyed by overfishing, garbage, and LAZY fisherman.

Half the work in fishing is finding spots, you are not an angler if you punch in a GPS tag and watch your screen.

Why cant AOF have a rule like this? The fishing pressure in this province is extremely high on what lakes are here. Ontario has tons of lakes and yet Ontariofishing.net imposes a rule such as the one I stated.

We are living in the past here, we better smarten up with the resource before its gone. Dont say it wont happen, there are many lakes that this has already happened to.

[uicehole]

I totally agree. All of the smaller fisheries just can't handle the pressure. You might include a hint or two of its general location (eg. east of Calgary) to encourage exploration and hope but definitely leave out the name of the waterbody.

[WaterSkeeter]

I agree KyleM, I posted pictures the other day and guys wanted to see the angler and the spot, but I said the reason why I blocked out faces and background. There my special spots for a reason, and it doesn't take much to ruin a good spot.

[critter]

I agree with Kyle, however if specifics are not given, i believe its ok. For example, the big laker i got out of spray.. i dont beleive that is a big deal, as no one knows where on that massive lake i caught it, and worst case scenario, a few more ppl go out and get their pan fry.. When it comes to stocked trout ponds around calgary (Bonavista, Sundance, Arbour) i dont think it matters either, as it is not open to the general public, and they are stocked for that reason, for people to put and take. If the lake is not open to the general public and is on an indian reserve or inaccessible chunk of land, i also dont think its a real big deal. Posting pictures of nice fish from a remote lake with no details as to what lake they were caught in is also ok, as guessing a location relative to landmarks and certain trees is extremely difficult/impossible to do. Just wondering exactly what posts are really concerning you kyle?

[Gary K]

I agree. Even though I'm new to the provience. I went to carburn park on a walk. Didn't bring my gear andthe buzz alone on this fourm is enough to collapse this small pond fishery

[fishnut9]

You guys do know that you are part of the problem as well right. I doubt all of you catch and release.

[Shmag]

Originally Posted by KyleM

Yet another post on this, I apologize.

After reading some of the posts and threads on this subject I have come to realize that some of us as anglers are living in some sort of magical fantasy land. For the few of you who still refuse to believe that posting specific information will ruin a lake, I suggest you view some of the other forums over the internet.

Many websites have set-up "Rules" for posting fishing reports. They encourage a fishing report but no location. Whats the problem with this?
The more important question is why have they done this? Its because lakes have been destroyed by overfishing, garbage, and LAZY fisherman.

Half the work in fishing is finding spots, you are not an angler if you punch in a GPS tag and watch your screen.

Why cant AOF have a rule like this? The fishing pressure in this province is extremely high on what lakes are here. Ontario has tons of lakes and yet Ontariofishing.net imposes a rule such as the one I stated.

We are living in the past here, we better smarten up with the resource before its gone. Dont say it wont happen, there are many lakes that this has already happened to.

AMEN brother AMEN!!!






Just keeping my post to a couple line's as the ones that disagree on this subject like to read between the lines and argue about something they think they read.

[MK2750]

The vast majority of environmental damage is done by those that are completely oblivious to the creatures we share the planet with. These weekend warriors have heard a call to the bush but lack any understanding of how fragile it is.

AO magazine and the forum give us an opportunity to educate these people on the importance of conservation rather than having them run wildly a field as if it is their personal recreation area.

Success (whether it be hunting or fishing) dramatically increases the enjoyment level for a newbie or wantabie and the vast majority are quick to gain a respect for the resources we all enjoy. A lack of success often sours a person and creates an “us and them” mentality about a sport they don’t clearly understand.

When important political issues arise only those that understand and enjoy hunting and fishing with stand up and fight against the “liberal ideology” that truly threatens our heritage.

Take every opportunity to welcome new comers and also take the time to educate them on conservation. Make every effort to show them success and the allies we gain will insure the future of hunting and fishing, not destroy it.

[fish on]

PCR was hit hard this winter. I went early and late notice a huge decline in the burbot

Conservation has everything to do with this thread.

I dont feel that giving away spots promotes conservation, it promotes another way to be lazy in this day and age.

Part of our sport requires one to be unsuccessful to actually call it fishing.
If we always went out and caught fish, it would be called catching not fishing.

Nobody disputes that helping out a newbie to the sport is a good idea. Its the posting on a WORLD WIDE WEB thats the bad idea. Why not ask for some help in the forum and if one feels the need to help, they may PM the person with the specifics.

[honda450]

Myself I find it more rewarding to find my own spots whether it be hunting or fishing. Ya sometimes put alot of time in for spots that I think may be good and I get skunked and move on. Never have took anything I have read on this forum and said well I gotta go there. Ain't my style.

Yes I have my spots and I do not publish them. I found them, now you find them.

Just have fun on exploring, thats alot of fun in itself. To me anyhow.

[Izumi]

I agree Kyle.

I think alot of the Problem has to do with the number fo trolls.

Today:
176 members and 187 guests

You should have to join to forum to read the forum. Too many people just out too leech and give nothing back.

JTS' map highlights this! Look how many people on that thread have 1 post. The 1 post to request the map. I'm with the Sask boys on that map...

[CanadianEh]

Originally Posted by KyleM

Conservation has everything to do with this thread.

I dont feel that giving away spots promotes conservation, it promotes another way to be lazy in this day and age.

Part of our sport requires one to be unsuccessful to actually call it fishing.
If we always went out and caught fish, it would be called catching not fishing.

Nobody disputes that helping out a newbie to the sport is a good idea. Its the posting on a WORLD WIDE WEB thats the bad idea. Why not ask for some help in the forum and if one feels the need to help, they may PM the person with the specifics.

Kyle, if you read my post above what are your comments?? Personally i agree with both sides of the argument.

keep the open free fishing forum, but make a restricted sub category for members with say 250 posts or above.. that way no trollers or guests can read posts from that section. that pretty much eliminates 98% of the problem people you are arguing against. And helps to protect the information to legit conservation aware members.

Perhaps you are one of the few... but I guarantee you have been told about some good spots from time to time whether the information was on here or not. perhaps you have even searched for those tips or locations.

[FishBrain]

If it wasn't for this forum, and some of the members on it, there is a good chance I would not be fishing. I joined this forum for hunting info. simply because I am a new hunter and thought this would be a great place to learn.
Shortly after joining, I got to meet some great people. These people took me out fishing, showed me what to do and what to use, gave me tips on where to go and what to look for. For that I am very grateful. Heck even my first ice rod was DONATED to me!!!!! (thanks Mish) and that got me hooked.
I dont go to new lakes very often as I have three kids and there is a good chance one comes with me. When I fish with my kids, I like to make sure that we can get somewhere, get setup and have them catching fish as fast as possible, that is what is going to help make them more concious about our resources. If we drive for hours looking for a lake, only to find out that it is dead or just a slough, they are going to not want to go, then in turn may not care about the resources that this province has to offer them and possibly not learn how to care for said resources.
So for the users of this forum to start removing lakes to go to, and what is possible of being caught in said lake, does not help anyone. Just because a lake is posted on THIS forum does not mean it is going to become crowded and killed. It means that MAYBE someone is going to find a new spot for them to fish in, and maybe they will be able to catch something different than what they were used to.
OH and yes, I was shown places to fish, and I have shown some new people places to fish. what comes around goes around.

[superspud]

I agree with jts mostley on this one.

I like jts's map since it provides a large amount of information with many different locations that are spread out.
and really that map dosent provide to much information that isent general knowledge to a person that has been fishing alberta for a a few years.

the problem i have with posting about specific spots on this forum is that the pressure that can be created by this forum. on smaller creeks
though i dont have any evidence to back it up; I think that if you post
( 100 fish day on nose hill creek in calgary all over 15inch long)
in the subject box, and you post directions on how to get to that stretch of the river, then with in the next week you are gonna have way more pressure on a very small area. now of course that situation is not realistic on nose hill creek but you but that idea. and i think that increased preussure can definitly have adverse effects


im all for helping people out if ya want to shoot me a pm, but i definitly feel that information to mass amounts of people can hurt our smaller fisheries. post what you want, but moderation is that key

not saying that i dont use tips.
just recently i decided to fish near the glenmore bridge and have made good friends with the same brown 19.5 inch brown trout twice now!

[TexasTornado]

I told everyone about Sylvan by accident, now eveyone fishes it..........i am PO'd

[S.A.S]

Originally Posted by TexasTornado

I told everyone about Sylvan by accident, now eveyone fishes it..........i am PO'd

You ****ed up man. Barry mitchells fishing guide has given me a fair bit of new spots to try out this season

[AxeMan]

Originally Posted by KyleM

Yet another post on this, I apologize.

After reading some of the posts and threads on this subject I have come to realize that some of us as anglers are living in some sort of magical fantasy land. For the few of you who still refuse to believe that posting specific information will ruin a lake, I suggest you view some of the other forums over the internet.

Many websites have set-up "Rules" for posting fishing reports. They encourage a fishing report but no location. Whats the problem with this?
The more important question is why have they done this? Its because lakes have been destroyed by overfishing, garbage, and LAZY fisherman.

Half the work in fishing is finding spots, you are not an angler if you punch in a GPS tag and watch your screen.

Why cant AOF have a rule like this? The fishing pressure in this province is extremely high on what lakes are here. Ontario has tons of lakes and yet Ontariofishing.net imposes a rule such as the one I stated.

We are living in the past here, we better smarten up with the resource before its gone. Dont say it wont happen, there are many lakes that this has already happened to.

Originally Posted by KyleM

#1 1 Week Ago

Swan Sunday

3:45 I was up and on the water by 6:45.

Fishing was good, 25 fish. Biggest around 6lbs but most around 3.
Red Kwikfish in the morning and black leach flies during the day.
Very slow troll.

Water is melted enough to get the boat out and rip around.

Beautiful day on the water.

Did I mention there was only 3 boats on the lake?

Kyle, I must say that you are guilty of what you are condemning. Only a week ago you started a thread on Swan Lake telling that fishing was good, the trout were large, and you even told everyone what you caught them on and the method used. Swan Lake is one of those lakes that is seeing much increased pressure lately. Do you see the contradiction here? If you feel the way you do on this matter then you might want to practice what you preach.

[flygirrl]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

Kyle, I must say that you are guilty of what you are condemning. Only a week ago you started a thread on Swan Lake telling that fishing was good, the trout were large, and you even told everyone what you caught them on and the method used. Swan Lake is one of those lakes that is seeing much increased pressure lately. Do you see the contradiction here? If you feel the way you do on this matter then you might want to practice what you preach.

Cannot say a word sides hurt to much

I did it for a reason, I guess you can see I posted lots of pics aswell?

Have you been to Swan? Its stocked twice a year with I think 14000 Rainbows each time. Fisherman line the shore, there are atleast 30 reports on this site from that lake (if you can call it a lake). If people wish to be lazy and troll the net I will give them a spot where 100 other people will be while I fish the other lakes in the area.

[WaterSkeeter]

Originally Posted by KyleM

I did it for a reason, I guess you can see I posted lots of pics aswell?

Have you been to Swan? Its stocked twice a year with I think 14000 Rainbows each time. Fisherman line the shore, there are atleast 30 reports on this site from that lake (if you can call it a lake). If people wish to be lazy and troll the net I will give them a spot where 100 other people will be while I fish the other lakes in the area.

Cannot say a word sides hurt to much

Its not like KyleM gave up a secret spot that will be fished out this year.

Now my last fishing post, with pics that dont show a background or face were posted that way for a reason. Because it would take a few dummies to go and keep everything they catch, and yes iv caught people catching bulls and keeping them and have confronted them and reported. So I'm not going to give up my spot I worked hard at finding just so one person can find it, then tell another, then another and so on. Iv seen it happen allot. Ill tell everyone how I did at so and so lake that's on a map, easy to find, stocked etc because its already got everyone fishing it.

[spopadyn]

Originally Posted by WaterSkeeter

Cannot say a word sides hurt to much

Its not like KyleM gave up a secret spot that will be fished out this year.

Now my last fishing post, with pics that dont show a background or face were posted that way for a reason. Because it would take a few dummies to go and keep everything they catch, and yes iv caught people catching bulls and keeping them and have confronted them and reported. So I'm not going to give up my spot I worked hard at finding just so one person can find it, then tell another, then another and so on. Iv seen it happen allot. Ill tell everyone how I did at so and so lake that's on a map, easy to find, stocked etc because its already got everyone fishing it.

I am going to hire a private investigator to follow Kyle to his spots - take pictures and give GPS coords.


(PSST... This probably means Kyle will no longer fish this year due to his overwhealming paranoia)

[flygirrl]

Now I have to say something.
Most of the reports on fishing holes on this forum are for the most part stocked lakes and are listed in the regs as such. I dont see a whole lot of people here giving out their honey hole GPS readings and all, and I dont blame them. I would not give out my honey holes either on an open forum but I will give out info on stocked lakes and known places to fish, ice off, flies to use etc...
And yes I have been to Swan, Peppers, Tay, Phyllis, Beaver, Michelle, Strubel, Elk Creek Pond, Birch, Yellowhead, all stocked lakes and lake X

flygirll, have you been to Swan Lake? I understand what your saying but its really not a lake, its more of a trout pond that has air pumps in it to keep the trout alive.

Its more of a meat market.

[STP]

Originally Posted by flygirrl

Now I have to say something.

the floor is all yours

[spopadyn]

Originally Posted by KyleM

I did it for a reason, I guess you can see I posted lots of pics aswell?

Have you been to Swan? Its stocked twice a year with I think 14000 Rainbows each time. Fisherman line the shore, there are atleast 30 reports on this site from that lake (if you can call it a lake). If people wish to be lazy and troll the net I will give them a spot where 100 other people will be while I fish the other lakes in the area.

Man, Kyle, you are one noble steed. I bow at your feet. Way to save the world!

[mooseknuckle]

Originally Posted by KyleM

I did it for a reason, I guess you can see I posted lots of pics aswell?

Have you been to Swan? Its stocked twice a year with I think 14000 Rainbows each time. Fisherman line the shore, there are atleast 30 reports on this site from that lake (if you can call it a lake). If people wish to be lazy and troll the net I will give them a spot where 100 other people will be while I fish the other lakes in the area.

Ohh I see so it's okay to post on some spots because there already screwed? Because we stock them? What? It's hypocritacal and I would be embarressed. Lets just all unplug our computers cuz you think all of who post info are responsible for wrecking your fishing spots... don't worry I'm sure this interweb thingy is just a fad it will pass soon It's gonna get worse before better my friend so enjoy it how you will but personally I will always share information to those who ask for it.

[Dakota369]

Originally Posted by KyleM

Yet another post on this, I apologize.

After reading some of the posts and threads on this subject I have come to realize that some of us as anglers are living in some sort of magical fantasy land. For the few of you who still refuse to believe that posting specific information will ruin a lake, I suggest you view some of the other forums over the internet.

Many websites have set-up "Rules" for posting fishing reports. They encourage a fishing report but no location. Whats the problem with this?
The more important question is why have they done this? Its because lakes have been destroyed by overfishing, garbage, and LAZY fisherman.

Half the work in fishing is finding spots, you are not an angler if you punch in a GPS tag and watch your screen.

Why cant AOF have a rule like this? The fishing pressure in this province is extremely high on what lakes are here. Ontario has tons of lakes and yet Ontariofishing.net imposes a rule such as the one I stated.

We are living in the past here, we better smarten up with the resource before its gone. Dont say it wont happen, there are many lakes that this has already happened to.

What a selfish pile of stink. You say that part of the fun is exploration, but you don't want "your honeyhole" fished out because then you may have to go exploring for another one?? This is not the only source of info re; spots, and I may add that certain alleged spots are really just posted to deflect people from others anyways. Keep your spots to yourself or don't, I don't really care as I have my own. Coming out and telling everyone to be selfish and all (it's my spot no one else should know about it, except maybe a few close personal friends) is just ignorant, and propagates the belief that fishermen are selfish and loath to share........even my two year old knows it's not nice to be greedy..........

[WaterSkeeter]

Originally Posted by Dakota369

What a selfish pile of stink. You say that part of the fun is exploration, but you don't want "your honeyhole" fished out because then you may have to go exploring for another one?? This is not the only source of info re; spots, and I may add that certain alleged spots are really just posted to deflect people from others anyways. Keep your spots to yourself or don't, I don't really care as I have my own. Coming out and telling everyone to be selfish and all (it's my spot no one else should know about it, except maybe a few close personal friends) is just ignorant, and propagates the belief that fishermen are selfish and loath to share........even my two year old knows it's not nice to be greedy..........

I have this overwhelming urge now to tell, show and give directions to all my secret fishing spots now, just so one person can tell another and they get fished out I dont even show some of my best friends as Iv seen what happens when word gets out about a secret hole...

[Dakota369]

Originally Posted by WaterSkeeter

I have this overwhelming urge now to tell, show and give directions to all my secret fishing spots now, just so one person can tell another and they get fished out I dont even show some of my best friends as Iv seen what happens when word gets out about a secret hole...

Follow your heart and don't tell anybody.....I really don't care, but don't try and tell me and everyone else who frequents this board how to act.