Chicago murder rate far worse than in Capone years

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Chicago's mayor has recently written a letter to U.S. banks asking them to stop lending to Ruger, Smith & Wesson, etc. until they comply with his idea of gun control.

Not just US banks. The Toronto Dominion Bank is named also.

Global doesn't air hunting shows;

hunting and firearms magazines are high on the top shelves...

[Mutter87]

The social structure and "Look" of Chicago has changed since then, not fair to blame firearms for the crimes.

[wolfriver]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

WoooHooo! The Reverend Rocky's gonna give us a sermon. Two new threads about guns so far today and it's not even noon yet. Give 'er Rev!

And your the first to post, kind of a Rocky stalker

You do know you can skip his threads if they annoy you so much.

For all the complaining, you and Sundance seem to have a kind of fixation with old Rocky.

By the way, keep it going Rocky you know your doing good when the anti's are concentrated to that level.

[TomCanuck]

Originally Posted by wolfriver

And your the first to post, kind of a Rocky stalker

You do know you can skip his threads if they annoy you so much.

For all the complaining, you and Sundance seem to have a kind of fixation with old Rocky.

By the way, keep it going Rocky you know your doing good when the anti's are concentrated to that level.

There does seem to be a tendancy in some, to sort of shout down folks whose opinions differ from theirs.

Look at the nonsense some of the human rights tribunals have undertaken in Canada.

Free speech is the best kind. Rock on Rocky!

[doetracks]

^^ That

Quite honestly, although I appreciate everyone's right to an opinion, it's a bit negated when the mockery starts off the thread.

I appreciate Rocky's input (and all of those other who live in reality and aren't affected by bullying and belittling). Do not become silenced.

[JohninAB]

Rocky7, you take any report that backs your sense of reality as the gospel truth and any opposing views as those of Liberals, anti's or those who are somewhat stupid!

I am sure the demographics of society in 2013 are identical to 1929 with the only exception being gun control differences and therefore we can imply with great certainty that the increase in murders is totally the result of the tighter gun controls now found in Chicago. That body of work should stand up to any scientific review no problem!

[Rocky7]

Everyone else - thanks.

I think it's important to know about the other side of gun story - the side that consists of facts instead of fear.

Gun control is the tip of the Progressive spear. That's where conservatives can stop them and, if we do it right, improve public safety to boot.

As for the U.S. side, it has rarely been more important to follow what is going on south of the 49th, for a lot of reasons. I want America to succeed. I want America to be healthy and optimistic....and safer. We should all want that much because, if for no other reason, it's in our own interests.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by TomCanuck

There does seem to be a tendancy in some, to sort of shout down folks whose opinions differ from theirs.

I agree. It's funny how the tables can be turned on even the biggest of bullies when they do that though, just by standing up to them. It's very satisfying to watch these types cower in the corner.

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by JohninAB

Rocky7, you take any report that backs your sense of reality as the gospel truth and any opposing views as those of Liberals, anti's or those who are somewhat stupid!

I am sure the demographics of society in 2013 are identical to 1929 with the only exception being gun control differences and therefore we can imply with great certainty that the increase in murders is totally the result of the tighter gun controls now found in Chicago. That body of work should stand up to any scientific review no problem!

Demographics. Interesting point there. What exactly ARE the demographics in Chicago now, as compared to 1929??

And, is it racial profiling to observe these demographics?

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

I can't figure out how you guys are so convinced that all will right with the world if we just sign a piece of paper. It really does boggle the mind SF.

Best comment yet!!!

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by wolfriver

And your the first to post, kind of a Rocky stalker

You do know you can skip his threads if they annoy you so much.

For all the complaining, you and Sundance seem to have a kind of fixation with old Rocky.

By the way, keep it going Rocky you know your doing good when the anti's are concentrated to that level.

HunterDave and Sundancer are just joining in on an open debate.....and every debate has opposition....sooooooo = No Problem

Fact...pure and simple

[Rocky7]

Originally Posted by doetracks

Demographics. Interesting point there. What exactly ARE the demographics in Chicago now, as compared to 1929??

And, is it racial profiling to observe these demographics?

Sure, that's relevant and should be considered. Definitely. So should anti-gang laws, etc. I think all the author was pointing out was: Gun Control has not worked in Chicago.

The two sides of this debate can be summed up thus:

WE - "Let's back off gun control and try something else, then."

THEM - "Let's do more gun control."

Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over, expecting different results.

[MtnGiant]

The OP is a lil odd but slightly interesting.
I`m sure if one compared modern gun related deaths to the Wild West....one would get a big statistical controversy as well.

And per capita and the amount of gun ownership in Chicago in 1929 to now.
Far too many variables to make a sound comparison IMO.

I luv entertainment....and this site is the man`s Oprah show to me.

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

Indeed it does. So why is the NRA opposed to closing the gun show loophole to include background checks for private and online gun sales? Why are they opposed to anything that could potentially restrict the sales of guns? Think about it, would this not make it harder for criminals to get guns that now simply have to order them online from the comforts of their home?

From what I have heard....it`s solely based on an invasion of privacy issue.
The NRA and it`s supporters want the focus to be more on the mentally ill and criminals...plain and simple.
The NRA is defending the law abiding good citizen to the hilt....and rightly so IMO

[ali#1]

Would prohibition have something to do with it ?

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by doetracks

Demographics. Interesting point there. What exactly ARE the demographics in Chicago now, as compared to 1929??

And, is it racial profiling to observe these demographics?

No its not racist, its the truth. Detroit, Los Angeles & surrounding area, Chicago, look at the people who commit the violent gun crimes.

Its an issue that has to be addresed if there is to be any real change, for it is the real problem and the Elephant in the room that everyone wants to avoid talking about.

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by Mutter87

No its not racist, its the truth. Detroit, Los Angeles & surrounding area, Chicago, look at the people who commit the violent gun crimes.

Its an issue that has to be addresed if there is to be any real change, for it is the real problem and the Elephant in the room that everyone wants to avoid talking about.

Was Al Capone or his gang visible minorities ?

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by mtngiant

The NRA is defending the law abiding good citizen to the hilt....and rightly so IMO

HA, don't think so when +/-90% of Americans, including the majority of NRA members, want universal background checks. Only 7% of all Americans oppose universal background checks. The NRA doesn't lobby for gun owners, they lobby for the people that pay them the big bucks.......the gun manufacturers, much the same as the tobacco lobby lobbies for the cigarette manufacturers.

[score]

Originally Posted by wolfriver

And your the first to post, kind of a Rocky stalker

You do know you can skip his threads if they annoy you so much.

For all the complaining, you and Sundance seem to have a kind of fixation with old Rocky.

By the way, keep it going Rocky you know your doing good when the anti's are concentrated to that level.

That is exactly the type of reaction one expects from these types, and, a low level it is. Typical.

[HunterDave]

Originally Posted by ali#1

Would prohibition have something to do with it ?

Yup, they were all plastered on bootlegged Canadian whiskey and they couldn't shoot straight.

[score]

Originally Posted by doetracks

Demographics. Interesting point there. What exactly ARE the demographics in Chicago now, as compared to 1929??

And, is it racial profiling to observe these demographics?

He completely missed the point anyhow.

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by ali#1

Was Al Capone or his gang visible minorities ?

Nope. Two totally different things.

[doetracks]

Originally Posted by score

He completely missed the point anyhow.

I wasn't going to be bothered pointing that out, but glad you did

Incidentally, there will be no cowering in these ranks

[ali#1]

Originally Posted by Mutter87

Nope. Two totally different things.

So white people kill too ?

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by HunterDave

HA, don't think so when +/-90% of Americans, including the majority of NRA members, want universal background checks. Only 7% of all Americans oppose universal background checks. The NRA doesn't lobby for gun owners, they lobby for the people that pay them the big bucks.......the gun manufacturers, much the same as the tobacco lobby lobbies for the cigarette manufacturers.

I`m only going by what the NRA representatives are saying....I know nothing of their constituents....
but thanks for the added info

[Mutter87]

Originally Posted by ali#1

So white people kill too ?

Of course, we just don't off ourselves in record numbers for being born on the west side of a street and Our neighbourhoods are also not avoided.

But hey, whose counting? Lol

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by Mutter87

Of course, we just don't off ourselves in record numbers for being born on the west side of a street and Our neighbourhoods are also not avoided.

But hey, whose counting? Lol

Oh cumon now....plenty of white folks put each others lights out...

Killing is just an innate part of mankinds genetic makeup....it`s just not polically correct in modern society.

Why do u think hunting and fishing gets soooo much opposition
And now sports is taking a beating

Its not kool to be full of testosterone....dont ya know

[doetracks]

Horse crap on NRA vs the tobacco lobby. Last I checked, you can't buy a membership to the "tobacco lobby".

Nice attempt at deflecting the intent of the NRA. The NRA has always been "pro-sportsman". Of COURSE they lobby for the people, of COURSE they lobby for the manufacturers. If there were no guns, there would be no sportsman, there would be no shooting sports.

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by Rocky7

Everyone else - thanks.

I think it's important to know about the other side of gun story - the side that consists of facts instead of fear.

Gun control is the tip of the Progressive spear. That's where conservatives can stop them and, if we do it right, improve public safety to boot.

As for the U.S. side, it has rarely been more important to follow what is going on south of the 49th, for a lot of reasons. I want America to succeed. I want America to be healthy and optimistic....and safer. We should all want that much because, if for no other reason, it's in our own interests.

Correct.

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by purgatory.sv

Correct.

Incorrect....The tip of the progressive spear is health and science....always has been...always will be....guns are just a distraction