183 Charged With Arson In Australia Fires

[elkhunter11]

I wonder how many people expected that this many people were setting the fires in Australia?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pO0-k-bWpeKhaw

[58thecat]

if found guilty take them off the coast for the sharks....what the heck eh!

[Dom4]

I can’t wrap my head around why someone would want to light fires it makes no sense to me. If they’re guilty they should be on fire fighter duty for the next 30 years.


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[Twisted Canuck]

Daily Mail isn't the best source of info. BBC somewhat better. Those numbers are not right.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51125898

https://www.snopes.com/collections/debunker-01-08-2020/

[FishOutOfWater]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I wonder how many people expected that this many people were setting the fires in Australia?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pO0-k-bWpeKhaw

Wow... How to exaggerate the situation. You need to reword the title and clarify "which fires"...

More than 180 people have been arrested accused of fire-related offences since the beginning of 2019, including 24 in NSW during the current horror fire season which has left 25 dead and destroyed more than 2,000 homes.

Only 24 charged in the major fires going on now, since the start of the current Australian summer. The 180 number comes from the amount of Australians charged with arson since Jan 1/2019...

[HVA7mm]

If you think about it, what season is it in Australia? Summer. What comes with summer? Hotter drier conditions and summer vacationers. What do vacationers do, get the heck out of the city to do some camping. Uh oh, fire ban. Oh well, one little shrimp on the barbie won't hurt anything will it? Ah, let's start having some drinks now, now time for a smoke or two. Flick the dart into the brush or the ditch should be okay.

This coupled with the fact that not as many will clear or burn the underbrush when seasonally acceptable. More fuel, more and larger fires.


And no, arsonists do not help the situation.

Heard this from a friend who has been fighting them "down under" for over 30 years.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by FishOutOfWater

Wow... How to exaggerate the situation. You need to reword the title and clarify "which fires"...



Only 24 charged in the major fires going on now, since the start of the current Australian summer. The 180 number comes from the amount of Australians charged with arson since Jan 1/2019...

24 in NSW alone, but look at the map and see how many were arrested for starting fires in other territories this year.

[Jays toyz]

They level that charge for any hot work. Most of those stats are guys running a grinder. They make it seem like it's people caught starting fires, it's not.

[Jays toyz]

Also, why in that map is every territory marked with a different variation of the same charge. Looks like bull**** stats

[bessiedog]

It is bull**** stats ...... just elk11 promoting his truth.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Daily Mail isn't the best source of info. BBC somewhat better. Those numbers are not right.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51125898

https://www.snopes.com/collections/debunker-01-08-2020/

Here is the CNN version.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/01/austr...cli/index.html

Humans can also be to blame. NSW police have charged at least 24 people with deliberately starting bushfires, and have taken legal action against 183 people for fire-related offenses since November, according to a police statement.

So it's legal action taken against 183 people for deliberately or carelessly starting fires in NSW alone.

[elkhunter11]

And then there is the Queensland data

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51125898

But we do know that in Queensland, police say just 114 fires out of 1,048 (about 10%) have been deliberately or recklessly lit through human involvement between September and 8 January.

So another 114 fires set deliberately or recklessly set in Queensland.

So a lot of deliberately or recklessly set fires, in only two of Australia's territories.

[bessiedog]

So Elk..... what are you trying to tell us...?

What conclusion do you draw from this. Please be clear to all of us...

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

So Elk..... what are you trying to tell us...?

What conclusion do you draw from this. Please be clear to all of us...

It should be obvious that many of these fires are man made, and are not the result of climate change, as many people want us to believe.

[bessiedog]

You... are a prime example of confirmation bias.

Read the articles again. Please really try to understand what they are saying.

Even your 10% is a combination of intentional and accident.

You sir are trying desperately to see what you want to see.


What is obvious is the exact opposite of what you are claiming sir.


You just keep looking for those enemies. It’s cold and your anger/hate might warm ya up a bit.

[fishnguy]

Definitely an interesting way to approach the data and interpret it in the way that aligns with you personal beliefs and convictions.

If that is what you are trying to prove, or imply for that matter, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to collect the data from several years (in this case, decades would probably be a better sample), and compare the number of fires started by humans to the amount of burn, perhaps in square kilometres, etc? Then, remove outliers and see what the trend is and determine how the number of human started fires correlates with the burn area? That would probably make more sense and would be the simplest more or less valid way to present your argument.

Otherwise, the only thing that makes sense in your statement is the fact that there were x number of fires started by humans.

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

It should be obvious that many of these fires are man made, and are not the result of climate change, as many people want us to believe.

Even if you were right about that (you aren’t) the initial cause of the fires is only a tiny part of the problem. The historically unprecedented drought has resulted in conditions that make these fires impossible to control. That’s the impact of climate change on this situation.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

You... are a prime example of confirmation bias.

Read the articles again. Please really try to understand what they are saying.

Even your 10% is a combination of intentional and accident.

You sir are trying desperately to see what you want to see.


What is obvious is the exact opposite of what you are claiming sir.


You just keep looking for those enemies. It’s cold and your anger/hate might warm ya up a bit.

You missed the thousands of other culprits.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-flames.html

https://www.sciencealert.com/birds-i...rehawk-raptors

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by midgetwaiter

Even if you were right about that (you aren’t) the initial cause of the fires is only a tiny part of the problem. The historically unprecedented drought has resulted in conditions that make these fires impossible to control. That’s the impact of climate change on this situation.

So how do you interpret this data?

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-unprecedented

If climate change is continually making the conditions worse why isn't the area being burned increasing over the past few decades? Yes this is one of the worst years in recent history but according to the graph there seems to be a terrible year every 10-15 years, and then the area burned returns to average years again. If anything, according to the graph, the fifteen years preceding this year were below average.

[dmcbride]

Years of fire suppression, a drought and people lighting fires is a recipe for disaster. The only thing that hasn’t happened in the past thousand years is the fire suppression. To blame this on climate change is ridiculous.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So how do you interpret this data?

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-unprecedented

If climate change is continually making the conditions worse why isn't the area being burned increasing over the past few decades? Yes this is one of the worst years n recent history but according to the graph there seems to be a terrible year every 10-15 years, and then the area burned returns to average years again.

The Australian natives used to burn the land intentionally.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Years of fire suppression, a drought and people lighting fires is a recipe for disaster. The only thing that hasn’t happened in the past thousand years is the fire suppression. To blame this on climate change is ridiculous.

Plays a factor. Main reason is it is warmer and dryer than normal in Australia.

Why?

El Niño

Explained.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...eather/9053464





The heat is a weather phenomenon. Not climate change. No different than saying Alberta was really cold and proves climate change is not real.

Someone else mentioned.

Confirmation bias is rampant in many circles.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Plays a factor. Main reason is it is warmer and dryer than normal in Australia.

Why?

El Niño

Explained.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...eather/9053464





The heat is a weather phenomenon. Not climate change. No different than saying Alberta was really cold and proves climate change is not real.

Someone else mentioned.

Confirmation bias is rampant in many circles.

For sure, it also has been warmer and dryer in the past.

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

You missed the thousands of other culprits.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-flames.html

https://www.sciencealert.com/birds-i...rehawk-raptors

Dingos...... I’ll bet their forcing the birds to do it.

Dingos like Democrats.

Hey Elk.... could you please dig into that for us...?


I think we should also shoot all our hawks just in case they start trying to light up our forests..... birds of a feather ya know...

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Dingos...... I’ll bet their forcing the birds to do it.

Dingos like Democrats.

Hey Elk.... could you please dig into that for us...?


I think we should also shoot all our hawks just in case they start trying to light up our forests..... birds of a feather ya know...

Bessie...keep speed bagging Elk

[mac1983]

Climate has been changing for how many billions of years ? 5 maybe 6... How old is the planet ? We are still feeling the after effects of the last ice age, there are fossilized Turtles on Ellesmere Island, and people think we can save the planet by our actions today..I doub't it...

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

It should be obvious that many of these fires are man made, and are not the result of climate change, as many people want us to believe.

So 100+ were human ignited. What about the other 900+??????

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Scott h

So 100+ were human ignited. What about the other 900+??????

100+ that they know were human ignited, I doubt that they know the cause of every bush fire. But it is disappointing that there are that many idiots out starting fires, either on purpose or through negligence.

[TBark]

We are fortunate in WA, only a few fires and either already out or under control.
I feel for the east coast or central province.
Some rain in areas over the past week, but more is needed.

TBark

[Coiloil37]

Originally Posted by TBark

We are fortunate in WA, only a few fires and either already out or under control.

I feel for the east coast or central province.

Some rain in areas over the past week, but more is needed.



TBark

Not much burning here in Queensland either.

On the sunny coast close to home we had one this spring by Peregian beach that was set by some teenagers and another by Tewantin that was a permitted campfire on the beach that got out of control.
A week ago there was a little one burning on Frasier island that is visible here behind and to the right of my kids.




NSW and Victoria have nearly 20 years of green policies that haven’t allowed any controlled burns. Combined with the hot dry summer and they’ve had a horrible fire season.