Co-OP refinery strike- why so quiet?

[Okotok]

Originally Posted by silver

They may be in the business of renting equipment, I don't think they are big enough.
Mammoet, Sterling, and Northern can come up with the iron but I don't think any body else can.

Myshak is plenty big. There are a few others that could easily fill the bill.

[Savage Bacon]

Because of a labour dispute

[Savage Bacon]

Originally Posted by silver

They are not striking, they are locked out.

^

[wildwoods]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I have avoided Coop products ever since I had the opportunity to participate in testing various gasolines on actual lab testing equipment. I also visited their refinery by Regina, and was not impressed.

Not to derail too bad, but what do you usually purchase now as a result of those tests???

[wally338]

The union was just slapped with a $100,000 fine for contempt of court.

[Jim Blake]

Originally Posted by wally338

The union was just slapped with a $100,000 fine for contempt of court.

Good!! Dias should get the same.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

So maybe the big company executives should take a roll back too.
Your response makes no sens at
Cat

Pretty sure Elk is enjoying a lovely pension. But hes always thought he was better than ther average bear...so why would he want others the same opportunity.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

Easthills Costco has diesel. 17th and Stoney.

Thanks. That's a side of town that I normally don't frequent but I may pop in to check it out.

[WhiteTailAB]

Originally Posted by wally338

The union was just slapped with a $100,000 fine for contempt of court.

Union dues just went up!!! Lol

[waldedw]

Originally Posted by wally338

The union was just slapped with a $100,000 fine for contempt of court.

I have no dog in this fight, i'm not a co-op member and don't purchase co-op fuel.

But as an unbiased observer if the union is not going to abide by the court injunctions and block gas stations etc they are going to pi$$ a lot of people off and loose support in a hurry, this has the makings of a long drawn out dispute.

[wally338]

Originally Posted by waldedw

I have no dog in this fight, i'm not a co-op member and don't purchase co-op fuel.

But as an unbiased observer if the union is not going to abide by the court injunctions and block gas stations etc they are going to pi$$ a lot of people off and loose support in a hurry, this has the makings of a long drawn out dispute.

Agreed

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Pretty sure Elk is enjoying a lovely pension. But hes always thought he was better than ther average bear...so why would he want others the same opportunity.

I would like to see everyone rewarded for their service, but I have no use for scumbags like Dias , who pretend that their concern is for the workers, and then they act just like the company CEOs that they constantly complain about. The only difference between the CEOs , and people like Dias, is that Dias and the other union presidents, take their money from the workers, not from the company. And then they go and use the workers dues to support political parties, Dias and Unifor spent $1.3 million to help get Trudeau elected. If they can afford that they can afford to take less from the workers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/uni...ance-1.5325330

Unifor alone spent close to $1.3 million on an anti-Conservative ad campaign.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I would like to see everyone rewarded for their service, but I have no use for scumbags like Dias , who pretend that their concern is for the workers, and then they act just like the company CEOs that they constantly complain about. The only difference between the CEOs , and people like Dias, is that Dias and the other union presidents, take their money from the workers, not from the company. And then they go and use the workers dues to support political parties, Dias and Unifor spent $1.3 million to help get Trudeau elected. If they can afford that they can afford to take less from the workers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/uni...ance-1.5325330

Well I wont argue with you on that.

I will say that the workers themselves are only trying to earn a better life using the vehicle thats available. Theres not a person here who should wish ill on that. I see lots of people here saying they should be fired, jailed, should be happy for what they have. Theres a little truth in all of it but we should remember that we shouldn't look down on people that have good things but instead try to achieve the same results.

At a time when the majority of major companies are posting record profits worker rights are slowly being stripped back. Theres a reason there hasn't been a raise for the average journeyman in 10 years.

I will also add I've never been in a union or even that sympathetic to in reality. But I've seen alot of rights be eroded over the last 15 years and when management is tasked they only reply to vote with your feet.

[Hadji Ramjet]

"the majority of major companies are posting record profits"

You have a list of all "major companies," and can substantiate that claim?

[wildwoods]

Originally Posted by Hadji Ramjet

"the majority of major companies are posting record profits"

You have a list of all "major companies," and can substantiate that claim?

x2 interesting comment

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Hadji Ramjet

"the majority of major companies are posting record profits"

You have a list of all "major companies," and can substantiate that claim?

Generally when a company experiences repeated loss they do not exist anymore

[dgl1948]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Well I wont argue with you on that.



At a time when the majority of major companies are posting record profits worker rights are slowly being stripped back. Theres a reason there hasn't been a raise for the average journeyman in 10 years.

Really!!!! You need to get out more.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Well I wont argue with you on that.

I will say that the workers themselves are only trying to earn a better life using the vehicle thats available. Theres not a person here who should wish ill on that. I see lots of people here saying they should be fired, jailed, should be happy for what they have. Theres a little truth in all of it but we should remember that we shouldn't look down on people that have good things but instead try to achieve the same results.

At a time when the majority of major companies are posting record profits worker rights are slowly being stripped back. Theres a reason there hasn't been a raise for the average journeyman in 10 years.

I will also add I've never been in a union or even that sympathetic to in reality. But I've seen alot of rights be eroded over the last 15 years and when management is tasked they only reply to vote with your feet.

Perhaps you should look at the price our Canadian oil companies are receiving for a barrel of oil, and then look at the cost to produce that barrel of oil. Then tell us how they are making those record profits. All of those empty office buildings in Calgary,that used to occupied by oil companies ,aren't empty due to record profits.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

Generally when a company experiences repeated loss they do not exist anymore

There is a huge range between record profits and repeated losses.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Perhaps you should look at the price our Canadian oil companies are receiving for a barrel of oil, and then look at the cost to produce that barrel of oil. Then tell us how they are making those record profits. All of those empty office buildings in Calgary,that used to occupied by oil companies ,aren't empty due to record profits.

Look at the net profits listed for the big 5 in Canada last year alone please.

Yes theres tons of unemployment and empty office space. That's a fact but the majors are still posting profits. I understand your defense of them considering you more than likely attribute your pension to an over inflated self importance. But it can solely be attributed to unions at other oil producers fighting for it. You have directly benefitted from the struggles and sacrifices of others. Myself as well. We should offer respect towards them.

[Hadji Ramjet]

"Generally when a company experiences repeated loss they do not exist anymore"

How is that at all relevant to a claim of record profit?

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by Hadji Ramjet

"the majority of major companies are posting record profits"

You have a list of all "major companies," and can substantiate that claim?

You know how to use the internet. Try it out. Pull up any major you want amd track them. It's all posted and legal. As for the smaller outfits going bankrupt alot of them were shell (no pun intended) companies to purchase old assets off the majors. Now they go bankrupt and us Albertans are left with the bill.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Look at the net profits listed for the big 5 in Canada last year alone please.

Yes theres tons of unemployment and empty office space. That's a fact but the majors are still posting profits. I understand your defense of them considering you more than likely attribute your pension to an over inflated self importance. But it can solely be attributed to unions at other oil producers fighting for it. You have directly benefitted from the struggles and sacrifices of others. Myself as well. We should offer respect towards them.

As you have stated in the past. Everyone is useless that you work with. Why do they all deserve raises? Profits and record profits are two different things. You are welcome to buy into these publicly traded companies if they are doing as well as you state.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

You know how to use the internet. Try it out. Pull up any major you want amd track them. It's all posted and legal. As for the smaller outfits going bankrupt alot of them were shell (no pun intended) companies to purchase old assets off the majors. Now they go bankrupt and us Albertans are left with the bill.

Please name all these shell companies you speak of where you can track the financial backers to be the exact same people. Small companies buy old assets because that is all they can afford.

[Hadji Ramjet]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

You know how to use the internet. Try it out. Pull up any major you want amd track them. It's all posted and legal.

So, a grandiose proclamation about record profits for which you are unable to provide a scintilla of substantiation. Good work.

BTW, private companies are under no obligation to release financial information to the public.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

As you have stated in the past. Everyone is useless that you work with. Why do they all deserve raises? Profits and record profits are two different things. You are welcome to buy into these publicly traded companies if they are doing as well as you state.

Hahaha Yes. I was wondering where you were... and for the record i was including myself and it was self deprecating. For my past comment. I work with wonderful, talented people and yes the majority do deserve raises. Without any question. But this isnt about me. It's about having a smidgeon of understanding and empathy for other people. Some other people are trying to protect something they are suppose to be recieving. Good for them.

As for shares, in my 20+ years in the industry have always contributed and invested in various shares. I'm not a socialist. Certainly not a corporate socialist either though i will add.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Hahaha Yes. I was wondering where you were... and for the record i was including myself and it was self deprecating. For my past comment. I work with wonderful, talented people and yes the majority do deserve raises. Without any question. But this isnt about me. It's about having a smidgeon of understanding and empathy for other people. Some other people are trying to protect something they are suppose to be recieving. Good for them.

As for shares, in my 20+ years in the industry have always contributed and invested in various shares. I'm not a socialist. Certainly not a corporate socialist either though i will add.

Do you know what their current hourly rates are or what their salary's are? I do not and curious if you do off hand. Are they really getting paid that low or they just got a bit greedy and it is backfiring? I have empathy if they are barely getting by. I do not if they are just being greedy.

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

Please name all these shell companies you speak of where you can track the financial backers to be the exact same people. Small companies buy old assets because that is all they can afford.

I'm not building a presentation for you. The one that really perked my attention was when Doug Fraser joined tidewater a few years ago. He was at one point a CFO of husky. Guess who bought up a pile of husky's old assets? Tidewater.

Google the rest. Theres lots of this. Coincidence maybe but I'm not going to take this thread over anymore.

Cheers

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

I'm not building a presentation for you. The one that really perked my attention was when Doug Fraser joined tidewater a few years ago. He was at one point a CFO of husky. Guess who bought up a pile of husky's old assets? Tidewater.

Google the rest. Theres lots of this. Coincidence maybe but I'm not going to take this thread over anymore.

Cheers

So you don’t know. And you don’t know what they make. I don’t blame you for leaving the thread as you don’t know. Better to leave than continue to make up garbage. Usually old CFO’s buy up old assets as they see POTENTIAL that wasn’t being realized by the company that owned it prior.

[brendon444]

https://www.fcl.crs/our-business/refinery-facts

Facts from Coops point of view.


I work in the oil and gas sector and coops deal seems relatively fair to me. I wont be getting a 11.75% raise over 4 years for sure in this economy. In the past 3 years many co-workers have been laid off and I have taken a 15% cut in overall wage. My job is very comparable to the refinery job without disclosing where I work.