Signs that make you worry for the future

[raab]

I think the tendency for people to look to government to fix there problems is the most concerning. Self reliance, along with coming together with your neighbours without the need for government is becoming a thing of the past.

[raab]

Originally Posted by tool

I don’t know what you’re talking about, most Boomers I know smoke less than a pack on the way to the store to get a 40 or rum and come back.

Most boomers I know don’t smoke or drink. It’s the generation between the boomers and millennials that I find are the big partiers still. Guys and gals in their 40’s and early to mid 50’s. Also don’t think it’s a coincidence that this generation has the highest divorce rate.

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

What worries me about the future is all the young people that feel entitled to the money others have earned. They see what their parents and Grandparents have and feel they should have it to. Unfortunately, they feel it is easier to get it from the old folks than it is to earn their own.

Yes, some young people are overly entitled, but it's two sides of the same coin: the older generation are overly full of themselves. You demonstrate it nicely right here, the belief that you "earned your own" and that young people are just lazy.

In reality, you inherited a lot of wealth. When you were born, you were born into a relatively wealthy country. When you die, that same country will be relatively poor. Don't blame the young people, it's not they who sent all the money to China or borrowed all the debt or grew the massive socialist government, it was you.

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Then again most boomers worked long careers, and paid taxes their entire day lives, instead of waiting around for handouts. So in reality, they paid for the services they are receiving.

They will be receiving a lot more than they paid for since they want to live forever. Modern medicine, at great expense, can keep them alive longer than ever, so that the pension cheques can keep coming in.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

Yes, some young people are overly entitled, but it's two sides of the same coin: the older generation are overly full of themselves. You demonstrate it nicely right here, the belief that you "earned your own" and that young people are just lazy.

In reality, you inherited a lot of wealth. When you were born, you were born into a relatively wealthy country. When you die, that same country will be relatively poor. Don't blame the young people, it's not they who sent all the money to China or borrowed all the debt or grew the massive socialist government, it was you.

Nope, it's the younger generation that elects Socialist governments, why? Because they want something for nothing. I cannot believe how the young are OK with debt, both personal and the government level. I started with nothing, I am not well off by any stretch of the imagination, I live and accept the life I have because I made the choices I did. I don't begrudge or covet the wealth of those that did well.

[Smoky buck]

Dumb young people don’t make me worry about the future. I know there is still a good possibility they get smarter with age and experience.

Now those that are over 30 dumb as a stump and can’t function in life are the ones that make me question the future

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

They will be receiving a lot more than they paid for since they want to live forever. Modern medicine, at great expense, can keep them alive longer than ever, so that the pension cheques can keep coming in.

2 months on AO
You sound like a repeat?

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Nope, it's the younger generation that elects Socialist governments, why? Because they want something for nothing. I cannot believe how the young are OK with debt, both personal and the government level. I started with nothing, I am not well off by any stretch of the imagination, I live and accept the life I have because I made the choices I did. I don't begrudge or covet the wealth of those that did well.

Right... sure you did. Would you like to tell your sob story to a poor person in Haiti or Niger? I wonder what's the difference between you and such a person. Is it you're an awesome genius? Or is it that you're just full of yourself and in reality you were born with privilege, in a relatively wealthy area of the world, probably to a good family, etc? I'm going to bet the latter -- certainly that's the case for the majority of you older folk.

There are 3 reasons I can think of that young people are taking on so much debt.

1) They have to, unless they're going to live in your basement for the next 20 years which you probably didn't give them the option to. You old folk turned housing into an "investment" and are proud that your children have to pay 3X higher for the same house than than you paid. You can't have it both ways: love your housing bubble and hate that your children are in debt.

2) They figure the amount of debt their parents generation took on is so high already, it's sure to be defaulted on and we'd might as well just keep borrowing as much as we can until everything unravels. Their parents set the wheels into motion on that one.

3) They are stupid. Which means their parents sucked, probably because they were too busy living selfishly for themselves and didn't bother educating their children.

In all cases, it's very hard to blame the young rather than the old. The old really ought to take more responsibility. Sadly, many of them have their heads stuck in their own butts thinking how amazing they are and how bad the young are, failing to perceive, understand, or acknowledge that things are very different nowadays than when they were 20 years old.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

Right... sure you did. Would you like to tell your sob story to a poor person in Haiti or Niger? I wonder what's the difference between you and such a person. Is it you're an awesome genius? Or is it that you're just full of yourself and in reality you were born with privilege, in a relatively wealthy area of the world, probably to a good family, etc? I'm going to bet the latter -- certainly that's the case for the majority of you older folk.

There are 3 reasons I can think of that young people are taking on so much debt.

1) They have to, unless they're going to live in your basement for the next 20 years which you probably didn't give them the option to. You old folk turned housing into an "investment" and are proud that your children have to pay 3X higher for the same house than than you paid. You can't have it both ways: love your housing bubble and hate that your children are in debt.

2) They figure the amount of debt their parents generation took on is so high already, it's sure to be defaulted on and we'd might as well just keep borrowing as much as we can until everything unravels. Their parents set the wheels into motion on that one.

3) They are stupid. Which means their parents sucked, probably because they were too busy living selfishly for themselves and didn't bother educating their children.

In all cases, it's very hard to blame the young rather than the old. The old really ought to take more responsibility. Sadly, many of them have their heads stuck in their own butts thinking how amazing they are and how bad the young are, failing to perceive, understand, or acknowledge that things are very different nowadays than when they were 20 years old.

Do you enjoy insulting others? Seems you know a lot about Pikergolf for a guy who I am willing to bet doesn’t know pikergolf...

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

Right... sure you did. Would you like to tell your sob story to a poor person in Haiti or Niger? I wonder what's the difference between you and such a person. Is it you're an awesome genius? Or is it that you're just full of yourself and in reality you were born with privilege, in a relatively wealthy area of the world, probably to a good family, etc? I'm going to bet the latter -- certainly that's the case for the majority of you older folk.

There are 3 reasons I can think of that young people are taking on so much debt.

1) They have to, unless they're going to live in your basement for the next 20 years which you probably didn't give them the option to. You old folk turned housing into an "investment" and are proud that your children have to pay 3X higher for the same house than than you paid. You can't have it both ways: love your housing bubble and hate that your children are in debt.

2) They figure the amount of debt their parents generation took on is so high already, it's sure to be defaulted on and we'd might as well just keep borrowing as much as we can until everything unravels. Their parents set the wheels into motion on that one.

3) They are stupid. Which means their parents sucked, probably because they were too busy living selfishly for themselves and didn't bother educating their children.

In all cases, it's very hard to blame the young rather than the old. The old really ought to take more responsibility. Sadly, many of them have their heads stuck in their own butts thinking how amazing they are and how bad the young are, failing to perceive, understand, or acknowledge that things are very different nowadays than when they were 20 years old.

There you go, blaming others, and sounding bitter.

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

Do you enjoy insulting others? Seems you know a lot about Pikergolf for a guy who I am willing to bet doesn’t know pikergolf...

Do you enjoy stalking me around the forums?

Pikergolf insulted "the young people". I am part of that group, so I replied to his insult with what I hope is a dose of reality, but probably is something he won't be willing to consider because he's too convinced of his own greatness. I know many people of his generation who have very similar mindsets.

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

There you go, blaming others, and sounding bitter.

I'm only bitter because I see how the last 2 generations have squandered so much wealth and done so much to destroy the beautiful Western countries. Obviously this doesn't phase you, but it makes me want to weep studying history and then seeing what those people ended up being reduced to, specifically over the last 2 generations.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

I'm only bitter because I see how the last 2 generations have squandered so much wealth and done so much to destroy the beautiful Western countries. Obviously this doesn't phase you, but it makes me want to weep studying history and then seeing what those people ended up being reduced to, specifically over the last 2 generations.

I'm out, enjoy your evening.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

I'm only bitter because I see how the last 2 generations have squandered so much wealth and done so much to destroy the beautiful Western countries. Obviously this doesn't phase you, but it makes me want to weep studying history and then seeing what those people ended up being reduced to, specifically over the last 2 generations.

Okay. So you won't be taking any inheritance from your parents or other old folks. You plan to pay them back the cost of raising you and you are going to vote for a government that promises to run a balanced budget and pay back the 735 billion in debt the federal gov is sitting on while eliminating all carbon footprint from your life. If not how are u different than the preceding generations.

To finish off you commitment to doing it better u will not avail yourself of paid child care, Medicare, public schooling or any other program that is running up Gov deficits daily.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

I'm only bitter because I see how the last 2 generations have squandered so much wealth and done so much to destroy the beautiful Western countries. Obviously this doesn't phase you, but it makes me want to weep studying history and then seeing what those people ended up being reduced to, specifically over the last 2 generations.

Why are you stalking pikergolf? I'm pretty sure you are a repeat person from under the bridge. GO away!

[raab]

Originally Posted by pikergolf

Nope, it's the younger generation that elects Socialist governments, why? Because they want something for nothing. I cannot believe how the young are OK with debt, both personal and the government level. I started with nothing, I am not well off by any stretch of the imagination, I live and accept the life I have because I made the choices I did. I don't begrudge or covet the wealth of those that did well.

You can’t really blame them for being socialists when it’s all they’re taught about in government schools. I’d like to see them teach how free market capitalism prevents monopolies and allows more people to prosper.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

Do you enjoy stalking me around the forums?

Pikergolf insulted "the young people". I am part of that group, so I replied to his insult with what I hope is a dose of reality, but probably is something he won't be willing to consider because he's too convinced of his own greatness. I know many people of his generation who have very similar mindsets.

Lol. You aren’t that special to me. Two threads does not constitute forums.

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by raab

You can’t really blame them for being socialists when it’s all they’re taught about in government schools. I’d like to see them teach how free market capitalism prevents monopolies and allows more people to prosper.

I encourage all teachers who profess how good socialism is to take a wage cut to be in line with the rest of the country. Practice what they preach! Don’t group all teachers in the same boat though as not all are created equal.

[raab]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

I encourage all teachers who profess how good socialism is to take a wage cut to be in line with the rest of the country. Practice what they preach! Don’t group all teachers in the same boat though as not all are created equal.

I don’t believe individual teachers choose the curriculum? Kids should be taught the dangers of socialism, and how it’s been a massive failure everywhere

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by raab

I don’t believe individual teachers choose the curriculum? Kids should be taught the dangers of socialism, and how it’s been a massive failure everywhere

They would be required to teach about all the different types of governments. Positive or negative spin would be up to the individual teacher.

[RO CC]

Kids will be kids, no matter the age.

Growing up and living a very important part of my life under a communist dictatorship, I can really understand the mirage of the socialist preachings taught in schools nowadays. It all sounds good and dandy until they realize the very next ones targeted for their “free” speech, “equality” aspirations and entitlement syndrome are them. And then they’ll wake up; some in a ‘ snap out of it’ moment, some like taking taking aspirin for cancer. In the end though, every and each of them socialist - fascist endorsers will turn around. Unfortunately it comes at a big cost for themselves and the ones around them.

It’s up to the rest of us though to take the time AGAIN and make them see that the pass they’re on is going in the wrong direction. Everybody is bound to make mistakes and fail at some point in life, but we all found our way eventually.

I’m afraid we’re living interesting times, not only in Canada, but as a global trend. We might have to go through what me and many others have went through before, but in the end, we’ll all appreciate the effort and sacrifice we’ll need to make.

Deja vu?

Just my two pennies...

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by Dean2

Okay. So you won't be taking any inheritance from your parents or other old folks. You plan to pay them back the cost of raising you and you are going to vote for a government that promises to run a balanced budget and pay back the 735 billion in debt the federal gov is sitting on while eliminating all carbon footprint from your life.

I probably won't be getting any inheritance as my parents are very wasteful.

I voted for the People's Party. I have no desire to eliminate carbon footprint.

Originally Posted by Dean2

If not how are u different than the preceding generations.

In many ways. I reject the Christian ideology that all humans are equal or, generally, that weakness is a strength. I reject the nihilistic, hedonistic way of living that most modern humans are engaged in.

Originally Posted by Dean2

To finish off you commitment to doing it better u will not avail yourself of paid child care, Medicare, public schooling or any other program that is running up Gov deficits daily.

I'm in favor of abolishing those services, but as long as they exist and I'm forced to pay for them I will use them.

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by raab

You can’t really blame them for being socialists when it’s all they’re taught about in government schools. I’d like to see them teach how free market capitalism prevents monopolies and allows more people to prosper.

Socialism is idiocy, but so is free market capitalism. Both are paths towards power and wealth accumulating in a small number of hands, which will eventually take over and impose a totalitarian system. Both only "work" in a theoretical world where human "vices" are non-existent, ie. not in reality.

[raab]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

Socialism is idiocy, but so is free market capitalism. Both are paths towards power and wealth accumulating in a small number of hands, which will eventually take over and impose a totalitarian system. Both only "work" in a theoretical world where human "vices" are non-existent, ie. not in reality.

O, please educate me on how free market capitalism leads to totalitarianism and monopolies...

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

I was that bad kid.

What I hated most was being blamed for stuff I DIDN’T do.......that was the worst

Ya but you did so much wrong that even your rights were wrong....

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by RO CC

Kids will be kids, no matter the age.

Growing up and living a very important part of my life under a communist dictatorship, I can really understand the mirage of the socialist preachings taught in schools nowadays. It all sounds good and dandy until they realize the very next ones targeted for their “free” speech, “equality” aspirations and entitlement syndrome are them. And then they’ll wake up; some in a ‘ snap out of it’ moment, some like taking taking aspirin for cancer. In the end though, every and each of them socialist - fascist endorsers will turn around. Unfortunately it comes at a big cost for themselves and the ones around them.

It’s up to the rest of us though to take the time AGAIN and make them see that the pass they’re on is going in the wrong direction. Everybody is bound to make mistakes and fail at some point in life, but we all found our way eventually.

I’m afraid we’re living interesting times, not only in Canada, but as a global trend. We might have to go through what me and many others have went through before, but in the end, we’ll all appreciate the effort and sacrifice we’ll need to make.

Deja vu?

Just my two pennies...

We always live In interesting times, later on we just see it through older eyes.

[chad66]

Originally Posted by chuck

Was at a funeral for a friend a couple of months ago. He died of cancer in his 70’s. He was literally a pillar of the community. Celebrity singers came to just sing and show their respect. 100’s and 100’s of people attended two different services for him. One of the stories told was something very similar he did as a teenager down signal hill in Calgary.

I think we have short memories and think of ourselves more highly than we should.

I agree. This sort of thing has been talked about for a long time.


AUTHOR: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)
QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

ATTRIBUTION: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 (1953).

[bobtodrick]

I remember a story about Franz Liszt, the composer.
At the time he was popular (1850's) his music appealed to the younger crowd.
He was considered the 'bad boy' of his time.
Many concert halls wouldn't book him because his followers tended to leave the concert halls in a shambles...would rip the fabric of the seating and tear down the sound deadening curtains.
It's what youth does

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by raab

O, please educate me on how free market capitalism leads to totalitarianism and monopolies...

Wealth accumulates over time in a small number of hands and those people take over the government. It can be a slow process.

[raab]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

Wealth accumulates over time in a small number of hands and those people take over the government. It can be a slow process.

False, in a truly free market wealth is transferred from one business to another due to competition. Monopolies are created due to regulation from the government. As for the people taking over government, this is unlikely in the event that wealth continues to change hands, and government has little impact on the market. If you look at the last 200 years, companies cornering a market for several years was relatively unheard of until the government started introducing regulation. Which is why its profitable for a business to be involved in politics, to gain influence over politicians. Smaller government, less influence, less corporate interference, which in turn allows small business to prosper and accumulate wealth.