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Edmonton safe injection site location
one of the site at the royal Alex hospital  .. if something goes wrong, they have doctors close by . 
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This is what happens in a modern global society when the medical system is running at peak efficiency and there is a surplus of services available. Those staff and equipment need to be used somewhere. Might as well put them where there is the greatest return for the investment of skill. time and resources.
If it saves one addict, I guess it's better than saving one cancer patient.
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10-18-2017, 05:57 PM
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Think about how preventable heart disease is. The Masankowski heart clinic cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build, and tens of millions of dollars each year because people don't exercise enough, they smoke, drink too much or have a poor diet.
Dollar for dollar the cost of safe injection sites is peanuts compared to preventable heart disease. The benefits spread through all society, both in humane terms and financial terms.
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I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought..... 
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Grandfather died of a heart attack. My father had stints put in because of heart attacks. Heart disease runs in my family. Last check up I am fine. Heart disease is absolutely preventable. You don't just just shrug your shoulders and say it's hereditary and be done with it. You friggen do something about it!
Drug abuse is bad, being an obese unhealthy person is bad too but way more socially acceptable. SAD...
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10-18-2017, 07:30 PM
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This is what happens in a modern global society when the medical system is running at peak efficiency and there is a surplus of services available. Those staff and equipment need to be used somewhere. Might as well put them where there is the greatest return for the investment of skill. time and resources.
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Those addicts are likely going to end up at the hospital anyway, whether via overdose or via HIV/Hepatitis etc.
If we can cut down the rate of overdose and sharing dirty needles, medical personnel can spend more time on the rest of us.
I'd rather we try be up front and minimize the cost and inconvenience to the rest of us rather than turn a blind eye and have things cost a whole lot more time and money later.
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10-18-2017, 08:38 PM
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Those addicts are likely going to end up at the hospital anyway, whether via overdose or via HIV/Hepatitis etc.
If we can cut down the rate of overdose and sharing dirty needles, medical personnel can spend more time on the rest of us.
I'd rather we try be up front and minimize the cost and inconvenience to the rest of us rather than turn a blind eye and have things cost a whole lot more time and money later.
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If it were a case of simply fixing the addiction problem with a fix, then I would support it. But that is not the case. Nothing is fixed. The addict is simply treated and continues his addiction on top of the free drugs. This means he s still in the general population committing crimes to service his habit.
If free injection sites and legalizing recreational Marijuana is going to turn the criminal element into contributing taxpaying members of society, then I'm all for it, and we should legalize and subsidize all drugs including Insulin, and cancer meds, and cardio drugs.
We know the crooks will simply switch gears and traffic in something else, like people. Free stuff is never free. There are always spin off industries that are all paid for by.............the taxpayer.
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10-18-2017, 11:12 PM
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If it were a case of simply fixing the addiction problem with a fix, then I would support it. But that is not the case. Nothing is fixed. The addict is simply treated and continues his addiction on top of the free drugs. This means he s still in the general population committing crimes to service his habit.
If free injection sites and legalizing recreational Marijuana is going to turn the criminal element into contributing taxpaying members of society, then I'm all for it, and we should legalize and subsidize all drugs including Insulin, and cancer meds, and cardio drugs.
We know the crooks will simply switch gears and traffic in something else, like people. Free stuff is never free. There are always spin off industries that are all paid for by.............the taxpayer.
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It's not going to stop drug users from using. What it will do is reduce the number of users who contract serious diseases and, if drugs are provided, reduce the number of overdoses.
That's a net benefit to our healthcare system since it's not tied up treating people with HIV/Hepatitis etc. nor are emergency departments full of overdosed users.
Addicts having somewhere clean and warm to get high probably also reduces instances of exposure - less emergency department visits again.
It's less about fixing the problem and more about taking preventative measures to ensure that the burden on our system is as limited as possible.
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10-19-2017, 07:17 AM
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Its effectiveness has been proven in other countries Amsterdam was the first and still going strong. Definitely helps ease the burden on emergency services but more importantly to me it keeps needles out of playgrounds and neighborhoods
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10-18-2017, 09:03 PM
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This is what happens in a modern global society when the medical system is running at peak efficiency and there is a surplus of services available. Those staff and equipment need to be used somewhere. Might as well put them where there is the greatest return for the investment of skill. time and resources.
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Should the cops not sit outside it and arrest them for possession?
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10-18-2017, 06:54 PM
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Should the cops not sit outside it and arrest them for possession?
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Kind of what I was thinking
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10-18-2017, 07:05 PM
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Should the cops not sit outside it and arrest them for possession?
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I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK!!
Trouble is all the Liberals (Trudeau sheep) will throw money at them after arrest for the hardships caused.
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
I wasn't thinking far enough ahead for an outcome, I was ranting. By definition, a rant doesn't imply much forethought.....
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10-18-2017, 09:11 PM
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Should the cops not sit outside it and arrest them for possession?
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And then what? Jails are full. Can't dry them out in prisons, no shortage of drugs flowing through prisons in Canada. You can't treat an addict that doesn't believe they have a problem, they need to be ready and willing.
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10-18-2017, 09:54 PM
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And then what? Jails are full. Can't dry them out in prisons, no shortage of drugs flowing through prisons in Canada. You can't treat an addict that doesn't believe they have a problem, they need to be ready and willing.
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Yah put them in jail, spend the money that is being spent on these safe places on a rehab program! Maybe that way they can turn there life around and before an upstanding citizen, instead of a pos drug addicted shooting up!
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Yah put them in jail, spend the money that is being spent on these safe places on a rehab program! Maybe that way they can turn there life around and before an upstanding citizen, instead of a pos drug addicted shooting up!
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Love when people look down their noses. I've known many addicts that started on prescription drugs that were legally prescribed. It's time to start educating and controlling doctors, many are giving it out like candy.
Oxy is synthetic heroin, you can't just quit and many are on the stuff long term. After a while it doesn't have the same effect, up the dose -- and then it begins. A friend is taking a few different opiates, he's permanently disabled and he knows he's addicted. Next step is to get off the opiods cause weed seems to do a better job on the pain.
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10-18-2017, 10:12 PM
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Love when people look down their noses. I've known many addicts that started on prescription drugs that were legally prescribed. It's time to start educating and controlling doctors, many are giving it out like candy.
Oxy is synthetic heroin, you can't just quit and many are on the stuff long term. After a while it doesn't have the same effect, up the dose -- and then it begins. A friend is taking a few different opiates, he's permanently disabled and he knows he's addicted. Next step is to get off the opiods cause weed seems to do a better job on the pain.
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Not looking down my nose just calling it the way it is. There’s a big difference in hooked on pain killers cause you suffer from pain then looking for a safe place to shoot up.
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Free shooting up, free for all trophy huntin in National Parks..
I do believe I should start doin both, why not??
I have free time, jus waiting for free weed. Hook a feller up??
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Love when people look down their noses. I've known many addicts that started on prescription drugs that were legally prescribed. It's time to start educating and controlling doctors, many are giving it out like candy.
Oxy is synthetic heroin, you can't just quit and many are on the stuff long term. After a while it doesn't have the same effect, up the dose -- and then it begins. A friend is taking a few different opiates, he's permanently disabled and he knows he's addicted. Next step is to get off the opiods cause weed seems to do a better job on the pain.
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I, too, really believe there is so much money to be made by doctors prescribing medication patients don't need. Medication have side effects which damage other organs, create mental issues and, of course, get people hooked and addicted.
Doctors are bribed and corrupted by big pharmaceutical companies .....so of course they prescribe these dangerous and addictive drugs like candy .....Doctors (and their spouse get tag along) go to "pharmaceutical seminars" with first class or private charter flights, luxury accommodations, 5 star gourmet meals, amazing activities, etc... paid by pharmaceutical companies in beautiful locations like Bora Bora to "learn" about a drug they are pitching. Even the doctor who lives in my cul-de-sac joked about going to one of these 3day "seminars" and spending less than a combined 2 hours in the presentation room for a now very popular drug which is now prescribed to millions (and, ironically, has some serious side effects).
Bribery, corruption, etc... exists in all level of government and society and this is, IMO, the biggest issue we have facing our population as a whole as drug overdoses, illnesses, etc... overtake things like heart disease as our number one causes of hospital and medical treatment.
Stuff my tax dollars pay for - as a result of greed and corruption.
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10-20-2017, 06:23 PM
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Should the cops not sit outside it and arrest them for possession?
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Aren't our jails full enough?
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10-20-2017, 08:59 PM
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Yah they are we should just stop arresting criminals!
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10-20-2017, 09:16 PM
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Yah they are we should just stop arresting criminals!
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Love the understanding. Criminals eh?
How about teens that got addicted to Xanax - an antidepressant/antianxiety med that was prescribed as safe - but is now known to be much more addictive than heroin?
How about kids that have been fed adderral or ritalin? Prescribed by doctors, forced by parents for ADHD and the like?
Know anyone that got addicted to Oxycontin? Legally prescribed - marketed as the wonder drug, slow release and non-addictive? It's synthetic heroin, made in a lab. I don't know why anyone would seek out oxy to feed their addiction - it's clean, made by pharma, no unknowns unlike street drugs that can contain fentanyl or worse, carfentalyl.
The list goes on and on. There's a drug for everything today, if there isn't a disease or condition, create one to suit the drug.
Know anyone that's addicted? Ever watch someone come off these drugs?
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Love the understanding. Criminals eh?
How about teens that got addicted to Xanax - an antidepressant/antianxiety med that was prescribed as safe - but is now known to be much more addictive than heroin?
How about kids that have been fed adderral or ritalin? Prescribed by doctors, forced by parents for ADHD and the like?
Know anyone that got addicted to Oxycontin? Legally prescribed - marketed as the wonder drug, slow release and non-addictive? It's synthetic heroin, made in a lab. I don't know why anyone would seek out oxy to feed their addiction - it's clean, made by pharma, no unknowns unlike street drugs that can contain fentanyl or worse, carfentalyl.
The list goes on and on. There's a drug for everything today, if there isn't a disease or condition, create one to suit the drug.
Know anyone that's addicted? Ever watch someone come off these drugs?
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Sorry I keep thinking your typical crack head that breaks into you cars and house steals stuff just to get there next fix. I guess there the other side of it.
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Love the understanding. Criminals eh?
How about teens that got addicted to Xanax - an antidepressant/antianxiety med that was prescribed as safe - but is now known to be much more addictive than heroin?
How about kids that have been fed adderral or ritalin? Prescribed by doctors, forced by parents for ADHD and the like?
Know anyone that got addicted to Oxycontin? Legally prescribed - marketed as the wonder drug, slow release and non-addictive? It's synthetic heroin, made in a lab. I don't know why anyone would seek out oxy to feed their addiction - it's clean, made by pharma, no unknowns unlike street drugs that can contain fentanyl or worse, carfentalyl.
The list goes on and on. There's a drug for everything today, if there isn't a disease or condition, create one to suit the drug.
Know anyone that's addicted? Ever watch someone come off these drugs?
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Amazing to see people's inability to understand the issue and just provide an emotional reaction as if it is informed or valuable.
As you note, it's not so simple as "THEM BAD!"
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Love the understanding. Criminals eh?
How about teens that got addicted to Xanax - an antidepressant/antianxiety med that was prescribed as safe - but is now known to be much more addictive than heroin?
How about kids that have been fed adderral or ritalin? Prescribed by doctors, forced by parents for ADHD and the like?
Know anyone that got addicted to Oxycontin? Legally prescribed - marketed as the wonder drug, slow release and non-addictive? It's synthetic heroin, made in a lab. I don't know why anyone would seek out oxy to feed their addiction - it's clean, made by pharma, no unknowns unlike street drugs that can contain fentanyl or worse, carfentalyl.
The list goes on and on. There's a drug for everything today, if there isn't a disease or condition, create one to suit the drug.
Know anyone that's addicted? Ever watch someone come off these drugs?
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Yah they are we should just stop arresting criminals!
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They should just stop making 2 bit offences into criminal offences.
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How many of these drug addicts or going to be bothering the people good to the hospital? They are most likely going to be asking to bum a smile jet or spare a few dollars. And plain hang out high all around the outside of the hospital. Just what I want to deal with when I am most likely dealing with a bad situation is dealing with them
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Something has already gone wrong...providing druggies a fix....
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