Vancouver tearing down tent camps in East Hastings

[Sundancefisher]

News just had it as breaking story.

Apparently the city had been asking people in tent camps to move to a more permanent shelter provided by the city. Many took it however a bunch said they won’t move.

This morning police and city services have moved in on mass and is removing the camps.

This area of Vancouver has historically been bad for drugs and violence.

Prior administration turned a blind eye to this and tent cities have sprung up all over BC. Nanaimo has a bad one.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-street-today

Without a permanent plan… I suspect the tents will be back within a week or less. Some people are even putting tents up after old ones are removed.

Crazy world.

[vinny]

Wish they’d clean up Lethbridge too. It’s worse than ever.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Both the federal housing commissioner and the United Nations special rapporteur on the right to adequate housing have called for an end to the use of police as a response to encampments.

Interesting... Condemnation, but where are their solutions? Are they offering to personally take these marginalized individuals into their own homes/yards?

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

Interesting... Condemnation, but where are their solutions? Are they offering to personally take these marginalized individuals into their own homes/yards?

Exactly. NIMBY for all of the politicians that deal with homelessness. Our woke mayor calls it houselessness.

BW

[Walleyedude]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

Interesting... Condemnation, but where are their solutions? Are they offering to personally take these marginalized individuals into their own homes/yards?

I rarely comment on these kinds of posts but this just kinda struck me.

Why are you suggesting there are no solutions being offered? It says right in the article that they’re trying to move these people to more permanent shelters. I’d be willing to bet that addiction counselling and treatment are also available to those seeking it. The tent camps are a choice being made. Should it be a choice?

Is anyone taking you or me into their homes?

To what extent is the public responsible for housing these marginalized people?

To what extent should people be permitted to simply set up residence wherever they choose to? At what point do the laws supersede their desire to live in a tent in the middle of the city?

At what point is it up to the individual to take responsibility for themselves, and their own physical and mental well being and live within the laws of the country?

I’m not claiming I have any or all of the answers, but I’m fairly certain that tent cities are NOT the answer.

[The Cook]

Our mayor in Canmore camped out in his backyard for a week so he could experience homelessness. What a guy, what a guy, wow camping out in the summer. Say no more.

[AxeMan]

In Sohi's Edmonton, the dirty tent city along 105A Ave around the corner from the downtown EPS Division, gets routinely dismantled by Alberta Sheriff staff.

It is usually built back up and as dirty and drug infested as ever within the week.

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

News just had it as breaking story.

Apparently the city had been asking people in tent camps to move to a more permanent shelter provided by the city. Many took it however a bunch said they won’t move.

This morning police and city services have moved in on mass and is removing the camps.

This area of Vancouver has historically been bad for drugs and violence.

Prior administration turned a blind eye to this and tent cities have sprung up all over BC. Nanaimo has a bad one.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-street-today

Without a permanent plan… I suspect the tents will be back within a week or less. Some people are even putting tents up after old ones are removed.

Crazy world.

Where about in Nanaimo. I could drive by report back as to how bad it is.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Walleyedude

Why are you suggesting there are no solutions being offered? It says right in the article that they’re trying to move these people to more permanent shelters.

I believe you misunderstood my post. I was referring to the the response of the Federal Housing Minister and the UN Rapporteur, which I quoted.

[Drewski Canuck]

When Edmonton had the "tent city" down by the low level bridge, the City decided to take no action against the "residents". The residents said they had their own head of security who allegedly had done Federal Time for an attempted Murder charge, and was suspected of having ties to organized crime by EPS. But EPS was told not to go into the tent city.

Child and Family services had a number of underage run away girls who they could not get in to retrieve. It was believed that the girls were being run as prostitutes, but the government said hands off so the kids remained under the protection of the self proclaimed security staff.

Now, what harm can come from all that?

Drewski

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

News just had it as breaking story.

Apparently the city had been asking people in tent camps to move to a more permanent shelter provided by the city. Many took it however a bunch said they won’t move.

This morning police and city services have moved in on mass and is removing the camps.

This area of Vancouver has historically been bad for drugs and violence.

Prior administration turned a blind eye to this and tent cities have sprung up all over BC. Nanaimo has a bad one.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...s-street-today

Without a permanent plan… I suspect the tents will be back within a week or less. Some people are even putting tents up after old ones are removed.

Crazy world.

All it took was a realistic mayor to get it started (Ken Sim). Vancouvers always been a catch all for that type of person from all over Canada to end up, but it's definitely gotten worse over the last few years. I think the real start happened in the mid 90's when River View mental hospital was closed down and people were left to make their own way in the world, but it's steadily gotten worse.

[AxeMan]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

When Edmonton had the "tent city" down by the low level bridge, the City decided to take no action against the "residents". The residents said they had their own head of security who allegedly had done Federal Time for an attempted Murder charge, and was suspected of having ties to organized crime by EPS. But EPS was told not to go into the tent city.

Child and Family services had a number of underage run away girls who they could not get in to retrieve. It was believed that the girls were being run as prostitutes, but the government said hands off so the kids remained under the protection of the self proclaimed security staff.

Now, what harm can come from all that?

Drewski

Ah yes, the infamous Camp Pekiwewin. I had the misfortune to drive by that mess many times.

They had a bunch of criminals and nuts running that drug den. Brace yourself for the unfortunate mental illness in this video. Read the YouTube comments, they sum it up fairly well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3uPc4IxtdA

[-JR-]

Remove the tents ,place a fence around that area .
Take the homeless and place them in the army if they are mentally well .
We have way to many of them walking into Wallmart with their back backs and filling them with food in front of people and just walking out the front door.

If the army can't straighten them out, ship them up north in tents and feed them up there away from all the drugs and alcohol.

People will cry and say they have rights . But do they if they don't want to work and pay taxes like the rest of us.

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Exactly. NIMBY for all of the politicians that deal with homelessness. Our woke mayor calls it houselessness.

BW

Wow, he came up with his own new name, he so smart....Ugggh. Not far from where he collects his big paychecks are hundreds of tents, garbage galore and who knows what else(ya we know what else) and all he has is a new word?


Good that Van is moving them out but their just going to move it on to a new area. Where I am, there is a big homeless camp in the ravine beside the refineries, I hear Mill Creek ravine has one, I know of one as I see them all year in the hills below Alex Taylor school. Word is someone has now set up in the tiny ravine behind my parents house. How long until that 1 turns to many. One of these years our river valley is going to burn bad.


Something has to be done, not sure how you fix the problem.

[big zeke]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

Ah yes, the infamous Camp Pekiwewin. I had the misfortune to drive by that mess many times.

They had a bunch of criminals and nuts running that drug den. Brace yourself for the unfortunate mental illness in this video. Read the YouTube comments, they sum it up fairly well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3uPc4IxtdA

Hmmm, well she several times mentions this camp was run with a lot of love.

And you can get medicine any time of the day (all night pharmacy?)

The one wall tent looked better than the one I used to moose hunt out of.

What's not to love about something like that?

[ehrgeiz]

Drugs are the crux of these issues. 3 Naloxone hits and you are out policy? Forced confinement until clean and sober for a minimum period?

Pretty awful heavy handed stuff, but the soft approach definitely isn't working.

As an aside I can't stand the reference "experiencing houselessness" or "experiencing addiction". The intent to remove an individual's accountability for their circumstance is core to this newfangled social mess we have. I cannot abide. They are homeless drug addicts, which is the correct phrasing and one which I shall stick to.

[Bigwoodsman]

They were just talking about this on 630 ched. 1600 propane bottles have been removed since the start of this clean up. That a heck of a lot of shopping carts to get them all into this cesspool!

BW

[3blade]

Originally Posted by ehrgeiz

Drugs are the crux of these issues. 3 Naloxone hits and you are out policy? Forced confinement until clean and sober for a minimum period?

Pretty awful heavy handed stuff, but the soft approach definitely isn't working.

As an aside I can't stand the reference "experiencing houselessness" or "experiencing addiction". The intent to remove an individual's accountability for their circumstance is core to this newfangled social mess we have. I cannot abide. They are homeless drug addicts, which is the correct phrasing and one which I shall stick to.

The historical connotation makes that approach unacceptable. I wouldn’t want a leftist federal government deciding who stays or goes either.

Most of these people have rewired their brains and won’t ever be sober or reintegrate into society

The only answer would be prison sentences that are not concurrent or reduced. And a much much bigger prison, in northern Manitoba, with nothing but mosquitos and tundra around. They would still reoffend, but at a much lower frequency.

[mooseknuckle]

Ahhhhh east hastings, 1995 first time trying heroin. What memories. Lol.

[Frank_NK28]

Originally Posted by -JR-

Remove the tents ,place a fence around that area .
Take the homeless and place them in the army if they are mentally well .
We have way to many of them walking into Wallmart with their back backs and filling them with food in front of people and just walking out the front door.

If the army can't straighten them out, ship them up north in tents and feed them up there away from all the drugs and alcohol.

People will cry and say they have rights . But do they if they don't want to work and pay taxes like the rest of us.

Agreed 100%

[Grizzly Adams1]

Take the homeless and place them in the army if they are mentally well

Some of them were in the army, that's what brought them to this place, our treatment of veterans is a national scandal.


Wife and I were there a few years ago, not as bad, but you had to step over people sleeping on the sidewalk and the businesses were basically fortresses, Mac Donalds and Tim Hortons included. We have to draw the line somewhere.

Grizz

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Take the homeless and place them in the army if they are mentally well

Some of them were in the army, that's what brought them to this place, our treatment of veterans is a national scandal.

Grizz

Shhh, don’t tell them. It wouldn’t connect with the outrage.

[1hogfarmer]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

Where about in Nanaimo. I could drive by report back as to how bad it is.

Could start where that guy got shot retrieving his stolen property?

[huntinstuff]

Tent cities set up within cities ...... drugs, fights, mental illness, sex assaults, theft, threats etc.....

But god help you if you camp in one spot on crown land for more that 2 weeks...

[AI 6.5]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

In Sohi's Edmonton, the dirty tent city along 105A Ave around the corner from the downtown EPS Division, gets routinely dismantled by Alberta Sheriff staff.

It is usually built back up and as dirty and drug infested as ever within the week.

A week is being generous. They cleaned up that area a few days ago, moved them out and the very next day they were back setting up their tents.

[pikeman06]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Tent cities set up within cities ...... drugs, fights, mental illness, sex assaults, theft, threats etc.....

But god help you if you camp in one spot on crown land for more that 2 weeks...

The whole system is a mess...personally had enough of the rules being made by the people with the authority to make rules and laws and mandates, the whole time turning a blind eye to the violence and crime and societal collapse that's right under their noses.

[waldedw]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Tent cities set up within cities ...... drugs, fights, mental illness, sex assaults, theft, threats etc.....

But god help you if you camp in one spot on crown land for more that 2 weeks...

And God help you if you camp on crown land without a random camping permit

[Talking moose]

Almost all homeless are mentally ill.
Wouldn’t you have to be? To choise sleeping on pavement in a pool of urine over a nice bed?
Issues upstairs.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

Where about in Nanaimo. I could drive by report back as to how bad it is.

There are a number of them. I can ask my buddy in Nanaimo to let me know where they are now.

https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily...ss-encampment/

He said

The biggest is near Maffeo Sutton Park, just west of there but all of downtown is pretty much taken over day and night.

Even Parksville has homeless camping under the bridge south side of town.

[Savage Bacon]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

There are a number of them. I can ask my buddy in Nanaimo to let me know where they are now.



https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily...ss-encampment/



He said



The biggest is near Maffeo Sutton Park, just west of there but all of downtown is pretty much taken over day and night.



Even Parksville has homeless camping under the bridge south side of town.

We're going to Parksville on Saturday. I'll take a look at what's going on there.

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