HAMAS Attack on Israel

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Pioneer2 View Post
That's the second war Russia coming with the surviving Arabs and Iran. 85% causality rate.Ezekiel 39:2,4 Food for vultures and hyenas. This current war may be Obadiah where the tribe of Esau ceases to exist.All surrounding hostile countries join in to their mutual destruction.Israel loses 1/3 of her population in the north so weapons of mass destruction are used by both sides.Isaiah 17:.1,3-4 Exciting if you're a Christian terrifying if you're not.Birth pangs for Christ's return.

If that excites you, you are a twisted individual.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

It is sick. Hamas is a listed terrorist organization.

https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/n...d-ntts-en.aspx

Supporting terrorism should be fair grounds to fire an employee.

In this woke era… how on earth is the might of the internet not trouncing these people in support of terrorists and murder of defenceless people in the Hamas attack.

Were you listening to the Global or CTV yesterday? There is a local Palestinian organizer who is saying that it’s time to stop listening to the Israeli or any other government saying that all Palestinian freedom fighters are terrorists and the Israel is good. This guy shouldn’t even be on TV! They organized a public meeting on a north part of Edmonton with about 100 people showing up…

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by KGB

Were you listening to the Global or CTV yesterday? There is a local Palestinian organizer who is saying that it’s time to stop listening to the Israeli or any other government saying that all Palestinian freedom fighters are terrorists and the Israel is good. This guy shouldn’t even be on TV! They organized a public meeting on a north part of Edmonton with about 100 people showing up…

The sad fact is there are media executives rubbing their hands with glee as wars means higher ratings and ad revenue.

CNN bread and butter is this stuff. All news aren’t any better.

Bring on family to express fear. Stoke emotion. Put some controversial people on.

Guess what further problems will come from this.

Stoke more fear. Drive more people to sit in front of their TV. War is mesmerizing for sure as most people watching have never been in a war. Curiosity is for sure strong. Human nature. Media preys on that which is also sick.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

The sad fact is there are media executives rubbing their hands with glee as wars means higher ratings and ad revenue.

CNN bread and butter is this stuff. All news aren’t any better.

Bring on family to express fear. Stoke emotion. Put some controversial people on.

Guess what further problems will come from this.

Stoke more fear. Drive more people to sit in front of their TV. War is mesmerizing for sure as most people watching have never been in a war. Curiosity is for sure strong. Human nature. Media preys on that which is also sick.

You could replace the word "war" with a couple other topics as well. There will always be those that lap it up and take the news (I use that term loosely) as gospel

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

You could replace the word "war" with a couple other topics as well. There will always be those that lap it up and take the news (I use that term loosely) as gospel

Well played. Lol. People here think we have short memories. Mine is bad, but not that bad.

[Twisted Canuck]

This thread has all the signs. If I have to delete any more derail posts, personal attack posts, religious sermon pulpit posts, I'm going to close it, and maybe hand out a suspension or two.

Fair warning given.

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Neither Israel or Hamas have ever been terribly concerned about collateral damage.

Grizz

Hamas straight up massacred civilians though. That was not collateral damage. For Israel, it is hard to avoid collateral damage in the area the size of two Grande Prairies packed with something like 2.5 million people. According to UN, as of yesterday, only 20,000 left homes and took residence in UN shelters, which can only accommodate so many and are still on Gaza territory. To think that people will leave and take cover in a place like Gaza is pretty weird, unless most civilians are excellent swimmers and head straight to sea to wait out the storm (this will be long and bloody though).


As for the weapons from Ukraine, one has to naive to think that nothing leaves the country. Like any other conflict zone, including Afghanistan. Finns had an investigation open because they had plenty of UA weapons appearing on their side of the border, but that was killed, at least in the news, because you know, Russian propaganda.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Hamas straight up massacred civilians though. That was not collateral damage. For Israel, it is hard to avoid collateral damage in the area the size of two Grande Prairies packed with something like 2.5 million people. According to UN, as of yesterday, only 20,000 left homes and took residence in UN shelters, which can only accommodate so many and are still on Gaza territory. To think that people will leave and take cover in a place like Gaza is pretty weird, unless most civilians are excellent swimmers and head straight to sea to wait out the storm (this will be long and bloody though).


As for the weapons from Ukraine, one has to naive to think that nothing leaves the country. Like any other conflict zone, including Afghanistan. Finns had an investigation open because they had plenty of UA weapons appearing on their side of the border, but that was killed, at least in the news, because you know, Russian propaganda.

Exactly ,purposely raping and murdering civilians is not collateral damage.

[Drewski Canuck]

The problem with Israeli resolve is that once they make up their mind about a course of action, they really do not care about world opinion.

But then again going into a music festival and gunning down unarmed civilians of many nationalities also shows no concern about world opinion.

Gaza was given to the Palestinians in 2004 to be a self governing enclave. Then it became corrupted. The people who stay obviously support HAMAS as did the original voters who legitimized HAMAS in the first Elections.

That is why the Palestinians who want no part of what comes next have been told to leave their homes. The rest will be dealt with and Gaza will be no more.

Drewski

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Fireworks and celebrations in Iran. The Russian propaganda news is already claiming some of the weapons used by Hamas came from Afghanistan and Ukraine.

Grizz

That’s Russian propaganda for you, anything to drum up opposition against their enemy & mistrust in the civilian population of allies of their enemy to try & reduce the flow of armaments. Their propaganda is typically simplistic & obvious, yet despite that, many gobble it up willingly.

That said, Russia will be ecstatic about this development as it might split Ukraine’s foreign aid simply based on donor nation foreign aid budgets.

[Lornce]

You can not make peace with someone who wants to kill you. Hamas for example.

[2 Tollers]

Canada is missing from the list of Nations that signed off on this

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...ent-on-israel/

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by 2 Tollers

Canada is missing from the list of Nations that signed off on this

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...ent-on-israel/

No worries Turd'O is still busy pushing the India thing. His brain is incapable of handling more then one scandal at a time. Besides no one wants him at the party as he is a social outcast in Canada and the world.
Can't wait for the election so "the destroyer of Canada" can exit, stage LEFT ... The sooner the better.

[kingrat]

Originally Posted by 2 Tollers

Canada is missing from the list of Nations that signed off on this

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...ent-on-israel/

Little tougher for him to be vocal when half of toronto is celebrating the attacks and parts of Montreal and Vancouver.

[Supergrit]

Israel is in tough spot give the people of gaza more freedom and gaza sends more bombs. When Isreal retaliates a lot if Arab people blame Israel.
Maybe one day the people will still Hamas from firing their rockets. Israel’s response is 10 times more powerful.
Blind hatred makes for bad decisions

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Lornce

You can not make peace with someone who wants to kill you. Hamas for example.

There are other examples too but your right hatred handed down for generations just pure rot.

Sad but this will never go away ever

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by kingrat

Little tougher for him to be vocal when half of toronto is celebrating the attacks and parts of Montreal and Vancouver.

Exactly, he brought many of these people in to get their votes, so he doesn't want to upset them.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by Lornce

You can not make peace with someone who wants to kill you. Hamas for example.

The universal Middle East slogan, Death to Israel, sums it up, there is no room for compromise.

Grizz

[W921]

Originally Posted by densa44

it knows no bounds. "Love one another as I have loved you" Jesus said that and we have not paid any notice what so ever.
As I have entered very old age I am wondering if religion has done mankind any good at all. Would all this be going on if there were no religions? Or are we as a species just a bunch of ignorant war like murderers?
I guess I will soon find out but I wish we could figure out a way to stop killing one another.
Doesn't seem likely now.

This isn't a Christian war. With Christian its don't try to pull the weeds but wait till harvest and God will separate.
Before Jesus things were quite different and that seems to be what this is about. As far as Palestinians being there first. Are they saying they are Canaanites because that is who was their first.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by W921

This isn't a Christian war. With Christian its don't try to pull the weeds but wait till harvest and God will separate.
Before Jesus things were quite different and that seems to be what this is about. As far as Palestinians being there first. Are they saying they are Canaanites because that is who was their first.

We can blame this on the Brits. Way back in 1917, as kind of a way win favor with Jewish financiers, to finance war costs, that was the theory of the day, they promised a Jewish homeland, the fact that it was occupied by Arabs didn't enter into the equation. Over the next 30 years they waxed hot and cold on the issue, Jewish immigration numbers even had to be approved by the Arab majority. After WWll, of course sympathies switched to the Jews and Israel was created. There was conflict right from the post WW l days , the Brits favoring the Arabs, which resulted in some nasty Jewish terrorism against he Brits and the Arabs as well.

A former Alberta cabinet minister, serving in the British military previously, was under death sentence by the Irgun for the killing of some Jewish settlers. They sent a letter bomb that killed his brother instead.

History lesson for today. This has been going for ever and not likely to change soon.

Grizz

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

We can blame this on the Brits. Way back in 1917, as kind of a way win favor with Jewish financiers, to finance war costs, that was the theory of the day, they promised a Jewish homeland, the fact that it was occupied by Arabs didn't enter into the equation. Over the next 30 years they waxed hot and cold on the issue, Jewish immigration numbers even had to be approved by the Arab majority. After WWll, of course sympathies switched to the Jews and Israel was created. There was conflict right from the post WW l days , the Brits favoring the Arabs, which resulted in some nasty Jewish terrorism against he Brits and the Arabs as well.

A former Alberta cabinet minister, serving in the British military previously, was under death sentence by the Irgun for the killing of some Jewish settlers. They sent a letter bomb that killed his brother instead.

History lesson for today. This has been going for ever and not likely to change soon.

Grizz

Lol you need to refresh or re-learn the history pal! Israel was not created in 1947, Israel WAS there thousands years before! Long before arabs showed up.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Exactly ,purposely raping and murdering civilians is not collateral damage.

Beheading children, raping and killing the women, shooting unarmed civilians including orderly and handicapped people…. This is absolutely horrific and uncomprehending….

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

There will likely be harsh retaliation. It will be interesting to see what our spineless piece of garbage PM has to say about this.

I'm late to the party here.
However the world doesn't care what our useless PM has to say. The world doesn't trust Canada. We can't be relied on to keep our commitment to NATO, or even our own Canadian Forces. We allow terrorists into our country and defend them. IMHO we even have terrorist as government officials in this country.
We are becoming more of a liability on the world stage then an equal partner.

BW

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by KGB

Lol you need to refresh or re-learn the history pal! Israel was not created in 1947, Israel WAS there thousands years before! Long before arabs showed up.

Ok, the State of Israel was created

Grizz

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by KGB

Lol you need to refresh or re-learn the history pal! Israel was not created in 1947, Israel WAS there thousands years before! Long before arabs showed up.

Found this on wiki

The history of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel has its origins in the 2nd millennium BCE, when Israelites emerged as an outgrowth of southern Canaanites,[1][2][3][4] During biblical times, a postulated United Kingdom of Israel existed before splitting into two Israelite kingdoms occupying the highland zone: the Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) in the north, and the Kingdom of Judah in the south.[5] The Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Neo-Assyrian Empire (circa 722 BCE), and the Kingdom of Judah by the Neo-Babylonian Empire (586 BCE). Initially exiled to Babylon, upon the defeat of the Neo-Babylonian Empire by the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great (538 BCE), many of the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem, building the Second Temple.

In 332 BCE the kingdom of Macedonia under Alexander the Great conquered the Achaemenid Empire, which included Yehud (Judea). This event started a long religious struggle that split the Jewish population into traditional and Hellenized components. In 165 BCE, after the religion-driven Maccabean Revolt, the independent Hasmonean Kingdom was established. In 64 BCE, the Roman Republic conquered Judea, first subjugating it as a client state before ultimately converting it into a Roman province in 6 CE. Although coming under the sway of various empires and home to a variety of ethnicities, the area of ancient Israel was predominantly Jewish until the Jewish–Roman wars of 66–136 CE. The wars commenced a lengthy period of violence, enslavement, expulsion, displacement, forced conversion, and forced migration against the local Jewish population by the Roman Empire (and successor Byzantine State), beginning the Jewish diaspora.

After this time, Jews became a minority in most regions, except Galilee. The area became increasingly Christianized after the 3rd century, although the percentages of Christians and Jews are unknown, the former perhaps coming to predominate in urban areas, the latter remaining in rural areas.[6] By the time of the Muslim conquest of the Levant, Jewish populations centers had declined from over 160 to around 50 settlements. Michael Avi-Yonah says that Jews constituted 10–15% of Palestine's population by the time of the Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem in 614,[7] while Moshe Gil says that Jews constituted the majority of the population until the 7th century Muslim conquest (638 CE).[8] In 1099, the forces of the First Crusade conquered Jerusalem and nearby coastal areas, forming the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Over the following 200 years, Crusader forces lost and recaptured Jerusalem until their final ouster from Acre in 1291.

In 1517, the Ottoman Empire conquered the region, ruling it until the British conquered it in 1917. The region was ruled under the British Mandate for Palestine until 1948, when the Jewish State of Israel was proclaimed in part of the ancient land of Israel. This was made possible by the Zionist movement and its promotion of mass Jewish immigration.

So you are right. Looks like it was a major area for the Jewish people historically.

It’s going to be some time before anyone is going to care about peace and finding a solution. Especially when negotiating with someone who simply wants you dead.

Palestinians and Jewish civilians are at risk and everyone should be looking to Hamas for the blame.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by 2 Tollers

Canada is missing from the list of Nations that signed off on this

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...ent-on-israel/

Canada isn't part of that group. Neither is Japan. It's not reflection on our current government.

[KGB]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Found this on wiki




So you are right. Looks like it was a major area for the Jewish people historically.

It’s going to be some time before anyone is going to care about peace and finding a solution. Especially when negotiating with someone who simply wants you dead.

Palestinians and Jewish civilians are at risk and everyone should be looking to Hamas for the blame.

I am always right( being trying to explain it to my wife past 30 years), lol!
Golda Meir said once: you do not negotiate with enemy who came to kill you. All these years Israel was trying to negotiate. All these years Palestinians refused to negotiate. What are they going to do now? Israel said that the gloves are off and they are going into gaza full force. No more calling ahead of the air strikes.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by KGB

Beheading children, raping and killing the women, shooting unarmed civilians including orderly and handicapped people…. This is absolutely horrific and uncomprehending….

These are the details that people can't forget in the coming days. Once Israel pummels Hamas the sympathizers will start to make this out to be Israeli oppression or something.

[Drewski Canuck]

If HAMAS is the Government of Gaza, and has been for years, and have staged numerous rocket attacks this year alone in January / February, then why are the people of Gaza suddenly surprised by the consequences of HAMAS actions?

Those who wish to leave Gaza should leave. If they do not want anything to do with HAMAS, then leaving Gaza would demonstrate their removal of support for HAMAS.

Perhaps the people of Gaza should have protested the actions of HAMAS in Gaza?

But the people of Gaza have not protested HAMAS policies before, and did not take issue with HAMAS rhetoric for more than a decade. So why did they stay in Gaza for so long? Is it that they support HAMAS?

They have picked their side long ago. Peace was never in their vocabulary.

HAMAS did not call to warn of a terrorist action at a Music Festival. HAMAS did not give a warning shot before opening fire on cars and people on the street. HAMAS did not tell people to vacate their homes before the terrorists broke down doors and killed everyone in side.

There will be no food, no water, and no electricity in Gaza. And that is just the start of things.

This sudden naivety of the Israeli response is incredible.

Drewski

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Those who wish to leave Gaza should leave. If they do not want anything to do with HAMAS, then leaving Gaza would demonstrate their removal of support for HAMAS.

They cannot leave, literally. The only way out was through Egypt, which Israel bombed. Even if it wasn’t bombed, Egypt does not allow “free” cross-border movement. People in Gaza are basically stuck in Gaza, regardless of what is going on and how many bombs fall from above and where they fall. There are UN shelters (schools they call them, as well as other shelters), but not only capacity is limited, they are all still inside Gaza and have been hit before numerous times. So it’s not that simple at all. Basically, you do not want to be born in Gaza and if you are, the options are extremely limited and your fate is more or less written.

Moreover, it is like saying people who do not want to be part of any conflict should just get out. 1) they do not have the means and 2) no one wants them. Of course, there are also 3) and 4) and so on. But these are the basics that in this situation, including the clause that they literally cannot get out of Gaza.