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04-26-2017, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Outdoorfanatic
Once upon a time DUC would purchase the land and as such could and would grant permission to hunt. Now due to the cost of land DUC is leaning more to creating partnerships with current landowners for habitat development. Almost always these partnerships are a lease situation that maintains the ownership of the land with that of the landowner and not DUC. Benefit to the landowner is a tax break. After all the land that DUC is interested in is marginal farm land at best and of little value to the landowner other than that of a tax break. So permission to hunt that land is still required from the landowner, some are agreeable and some not. The permission issue is separate from that of DUC unless of course the DUC flat out owns the land. Same goes for the AFGA and other Conservation groups. That's why in another thread from another time I was making the point that it's important for those of us who donate funds to conservation to be aware that not all conservation is favourable to the hunter.
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Well said indeed
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04-26-2017, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Outdoorfanatic
That's why in another thread from another time I was making the point that it's important for those of us who donate funds to conservation to be aware that not all conservation is favourable to the hunter.
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I fail to see how securing habitat to produce more ducks is not in the best interests of those who like to shoot ducks.
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04-26-2017, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Pikebreath
I fail to see how securing habitat to produce more ducks is not in the best interests of those who like to shoot ducks.
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Even if hunting is not allowed on that property; more habitat is always a good thing.
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04-26-2017, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Olthreelegs
if it says DU on the map then it is DU, end of story. If you do indeed own it you best be looking into having the map updated. I know i would because as long as the map is up to date and still says DU, there isnt a damn thing you can do to keep people off the land.
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LOL This sounds like the ever-popular "The land is posted 'No Hunting' so even the landowner cannot hunt on it" What a hoot.
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In this case Oki has cut to to the exact heart of the matter!
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04-26-2017, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
At one time, Ducks Unlimited was turning into an anti hunting group, still true?
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Nope. They had camo coolers and duck calls as incentive to join recently. Plus they have media dedicated to duck hunting. They seem pretty proud of duck hunting these days.
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04-26-2017, 06:41 PM
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There are cases where DU will pay for easements
on a portion of private land that usually holds water to become an easement.
It can never be drained for agriculture and the easement remains even if the property is sold.
Don't think DU would show up the map tho, since it is still owned by the farmer.
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04-28-2017, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by chauncy
There are cases where DU will pay for easements
on a portion of private land that usually holds water to become an easement.
It can never be drained for agriculture and the easement remains even if the property is sold.
Don't think DU would show up the map tho, since it is still owned by the farmer.
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Exactly,,,, though the easements can have a time frame,,, we have a DU Conservation easement on one of our properties that is good for 25 years.
One thing lost in all this rhetoric is DU is not a government agency, therefore DU owned properties are not "crown / public lands" where the public has an automatic right to enter. DU does allow hunting access on many of its' own properties, but as noted in this thread many times over there are numerous situations where DU may not have title or has leased out property and access is controlled by the real owner or leaseholder.
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04-28-2017, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by KegRiver
Those guys have done nothing towards raising land prices, it's the city guys wanting private hunting reserves and the speculators that are doing that.
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Complete BS, they raised the price big time in my area! DU land should also be taxed by the county at recreational rates.
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04-30-2017, 09:44 AM
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Conservation groups?
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Originally Posted by Pikebreath
I fail to see how securing habitat to produce more ducks is not in the best interests of those who like to shoot ducks.
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If you're funds are unlimited, then fund as many groups as you believe in.
But I'm assuming that most on this forum are like me in that not only are we passionate about hunting but our funds are limited. So just know that your dollars are also your voice. If the groups that are against hunting continue to gain strength and the groups that are for us continue to struggle then the pro hunting conservation groups will be forced to partner with conservation groups that are against hunting. Eventually that will lead to less access, so less hunting so less conservation dollars. Prime example being DUC, and AFGA. Both these groups have been traditionally pro hunting but lately due finances both have been forced to partner with anti hunting conservation groups. At some point it will be anti's partnering with anti's, the pro hunting will become a relic of the past. Ironic being it was people such as ourselves that originally started "conservation".
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05-01-2017, 01:58 AM
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ducks unlimited
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Originally Posted by wwbirds
he owns the land surrounding weed lake. leased the flooded portion to make the lake to DU but is not required to allow access. Argued with too many hunters that felt entitled to access merely because it was a DU site so now nobody gets in. ACA has a foot access area near a parking lot only that will get you to the water but surrounding land you are not permitted to cross to get to the lake.
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So whats the point for ducks unlimited to invest hunters dollars into a place where hunters cant go , l say ducks unlimited , pull outa there , let the place rot.
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05-01-2017, 02:10 AM
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l suggest we all stop our donations , let the farmers donate .
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05-01-2017, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bigskinner
l suggest we all stop our donations , let the farmers donate .
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It is a darn good thing that very few Alberta farmers actually frequent this board,,, if the majority did, there would be very little (if any) farm land in Alberta that would open to hunting just for the asking.
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05-01-2017, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pikebreath
It is a darn good thing that very few Alberta farmers actually frequent this board,,, if the majority did, there would be very little (if any) farm land in Alberta that would open to hunting just for the asking.
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This^^^^...and anyone who thinks DU exists to buy up property so hunters have a place to shoot ducks did not do much research before they donated...or never donated to DU at all.....
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05-01-2017, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by hal53
This^^^^...and anyone who thinks DU exists to buy up property so hunters have a place to shoot ducks did not do much research before they donated...or never donated to DU at all.....
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Exactly, without habitat for nesting, there would be no ducks to shoot.
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05-02-2017, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
Exactly, without habitat for nesting, there would be no ducks to shoot.
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Lots of natural habitat in the world , ducks unlimited help out , but not really needed on private land to make ducks , and then invite out the bird watchers
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05-02-2017, 03:21 PM
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Lots of natural habitat in the world , ducks unlimited help out , but not really needed on private land to make ducks , and then invite out the bird watchers
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Then you will be quite content on all this public duck land and stop bothering farmers for access
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