The Crush with Lee and Tiffany Lease in Alberta

[dustinjoels]

I just watched an episode of The Crush with Lee and Tiffany where Lee and a few of his friends were hunting mule deer in Alberta. This show is based out of Iowa. They mentioned multiple times on the show how they were leasing this land in Alberta and would be able to hunt it and manage the deer herd accordingly.

How is this not paid access? There were cows on the ranch, but I highly doubt they started their own Alberta cattle operation and were leasing a ranch to run cows. Looks to me like they were leasing land just to hunt on it and the rancher still had his own cows out there. Not sure if they bought an outfitter allocation as well because a few of his buddies used a rifle.

I understand there’s a lot of grey area in this matter, but this episode was just downright flaunting it in my opinion.

[Soab]

I know they hunted the knight ranch last yr. Lots of landowner tags ? Not sure how that works

[walking buffalo]

Ask F&W.

[calvin]

I watched that episode as well and was wondering the same thing. I’m not sure of how this is working. My question is how did they get the tags issued? If they bought the allocations along with the lease of the ranch? It was somewhat stinky in my opinion.

[35 whelen]

I helped guide them in 2006 7 in Alberta ,they were looking for guides to hunter host them the next year, the outfit i was working for i think did this quite often ,American owned Alberta outfitter running it ,They were very nice people LEE and TIFF ,,But ****ty outfitters,

[Hooter]

Originally Posted by Soab

I know they hunted the knight ranch last yr. Lots of landowner tags ? Not sure how that works

Only landowners can use landowner tags. I have family that owns land down south and they get landowner tags, but I can’t go down there and shoot something using one of those tags. If I did there would be a large fine and a suspension in my near future.

[coyotecaller]

If you’re a family member that is involved in the day to day operations of the farm, you can get a landowner tag transferred to you. The key is that you have to be involved in the operations.

[TrapperMike]

Don’t have to be a family member, can be an employee. As long as you do some kind of farm related work.

[coyotecaller]

As for Tiffany and Lee, I would not be surprised if they did lease the land off the landowners to run a hunting camp on. This is quite common practice for some outfitters. I know of two for sure that rent land off of farmers for the month of November for “business” purposes. However, if it’s lease land they’re renting, big no-no. Both parties could risk losing the land.

[raab]

Originally Posted by coyotecaller

If you’re a family member that is involved in the day to day operations of the farm, you can get a landowner tag transferred to you. The key is that you have to be involved in the operations.

And only one tag is given out.

[huntinstuff]

They could be part of a lease

Then again, Americans use words that upgrade the actual fact

For instance:

Americans say they own a "ranch" when they actually own 5 acres

They call hills "mountains"

They call a 3x4 whitetail a hand delivered gift from Jesus

Americans embellish. Id take what Lee said with a grain of salt

[Soab]

Originally Posted by raab

And only one tag is given out.

Is it not 1 per quarter ? Or one per title ?

[41thunder]

https://apos.ab.ca/Outfitters/BecomingAnOutfitter

Very simple
They have a business and one of the shareholders/officers is a Canadian citizen
They can then own allocations and be guides/outfitters/ and hunt here
I’m pretty sure they are not in the business of bringing others to hunt
They are doing this for their own enjoyment and for their show

They may call it a “lease” but they are just referencing the name that they are most familiar with. The term for the same thing may vary in different states or provinces
Leases in Colorado for example are for hunting permits

[dustinjoels]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

https://apos.ab.ca/Outfitters/BecomingAnOutfitter

Very simple
They have a business and one of the shareholders/officers is a Canadian citizen
They can then own allocations and be guides/outfitters/ and hunt here
I’m pretty sure they are not in the business of bringing others to hunt
They are doing this for their own enjoyment and for their show

They may call it a “lease” but they are just referencing the name that they are most familiar with. The term for the same thing may vary in different states or provinces
Leases in Colorado for example are for hunting permits

Doesn’t matter what term you use. It’s paid access. They are renting/leasing the land during hunting season in order to have access to hunt it.

[41thunder]

Originally Posted by dustinjoels

Doesn’t matter what term you use. It’s paid access. They are renting/leasing the land during hunting season in order to have access to hunt it.

Who says they paid anything?
A lease in a lot of states is a term used to describe where you are allowed to hunt
On private land
We call it permission
Do you ever think they are using the terms that a minority of their viewers would be able to relate with?

[H380]

dshaw has it all prettt well summed up and i believe is correct in his comments ..th3 only management the Lakoskys are ginna do is manage to het the biggest deer they can have tied up for them ..as for lease ? The land they are hunting on is the same " lease" that Chuck Adams hunted for years .Ive heard stories about Blake Sheltons hunt on the 130 property and if true could land a number of folks on hot water ...same outfitter ...oh by the way Tom Mcmillan of the show " Mcmillan " took a dandy mule on the Lakoskys " lease" last year as well .

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[dshaw]

Originally Posted by H380

dshaw has it all prettt well summed up and i believe is correct in his comments ..th3 only management the Lakoskys are ginna do is manage to het the biggest deer they can have tied up for them ..as for lease ? The land they are hunting on is the same " lease" that Chuck Adams hunted for years .Ive heard stories about Blake Sheltons hunt on the 130 property and if true could land a number of folks on hot water ...same outfitter ...oh by the way Tom Mcmillan of the show " Mcmillan " took a dandy mule on the Lakoskys " lease" last year as well .

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Haven't heard the whole story yet on Blakes deer. interesting though

[TrapperMike]

Drhunter. If you look at #5 in you explanation you will see that they point out that if the quarter has joint ownership that only one can apply for a landowner permit. But, if these joint owners have numerous quarters the other owners can apply for landowner permits on the other quarters. Only one permit per quarter.

[oldmaster]

its long overdue alberta revamp its guide system.....switch to the sask system the only place americans can hunt is north of lloydmister and for only whitetail nothing else. In alberta we could go north of peace river and just for whitetails why should normal albertian wait 5-10 years for tags while a handful of guides get rich off alberta's wildlife.

[leaffan]

if the land that is located in 130 is located near Taber it has been off limits for almost 10 years. I believe it is owned by the Mormon Church and area wise is approximately 4.5 sections most of which is irrigated crop land near the river.There are definately some huge mule deer that live there

[Torkdiesel]

Originally Posted by oldmaster

a handful of guides get rich off alberta's wildlife


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Hahahahahahaha

You win for today lol

[35 whelen]

Originally Posted by oldmaster

its long overdue alberta revamp its guide system.....switch to the sask system the only place americans can hunt is north of lloydmister and for only whitetail nothing else. In alberta we could go north of peace river and just for whitetails why should normal albertian wait 5-10 years for tags while a handful of guides get rich off alberta's wildlife.

Other than Guides and Outfitters getting rich ,i do agree with the rest of this post ,TIME FOR A CHANGE ,

[350 mag]

Originally Posted by oldmaster

its long overdue alberta revamp its guide system.....switch to the sask system the only place americans can hunt is north of lloydmister and for only whitetail nothing else. In alberta we could go north of peace river and just for whitetails why should normal albertian wait 5-10 years for tags while a handful of guides get rich off alberta's wildlife.

Sask has screwed up system as well....

IMHO

Elk,Moose,Mule Deer and Antelope should ALL be draw.

And when your drawn for 1 species your done....that's your "hunt" for the year.

Too many guys want to fill all their tags and there is not enough animals to go around.

It's all about selling tags and revenue.

I am pretty sure Americans can get guided Moose hunts in Northern Provincial Forest?

[cuttincircles]

So what’s the big issue? I think it’s great for Alberta to get some TV publicity as well as Americans coming and spending their dollars up here.


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[H380]

Originally Posted by cuttincircles

So what’s the big issue? I think it’s great for Alberta to get some TV publicity as well as Americans coming and spending their dollars up here.


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Other than money paid to an outfitter I doubt they spend much if any money here in Alberta..It is common practice for a TV hunt being the compensation to the outfitter to pay for a hunt as advertising...

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[KBF]

When it comes down to it, what should have happened, and maybe it did but this outfitter should have had a chance to see a pre roll of the show. If he had of I’m sure he would have corrected Lee’s poor terminology and this thread would never have even surfaced.

[41thunder]

Originally Posted by KBF

When it comes down to it, what should have happened, and maybe it did but this outfitter should have had a chance to see a pre roll of the show. If he had of I’m sure he would have corrected Lee’s poor terminology and this thread would never have even surfaced.

They used the right terminology for their audience
Which is 99% south of the border