Brian Jean and firearms

[Newview01]

From the NFA’s facebook page.

Gun owners in Alberta should know this about Brian Jean and gun owner licensing #cantalkguns #worldwithoutguns
When asked if he supported taking non violent, non victim firearms offenses out of the Criminal Code of Canada United Conservative Party Leadership Candidate Brian Jean said "ABSOLUTELY NOT, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN".
Section 91 of Canada's Criminal code allows a 4 year prison sentence for the non violent, non victim crime of possession of a firearm.
The gun license allows possession without criminal charges - however when it expires criminal charges can be laid under CCC S 91. Despite the very limited Amnesty created by Bill C42

I thought Brian Jean was more gun-friendly.

He will not get my vote.

[densa44]

Brian Jean's opinion would have the same weight as mine.
Do you think the Feds, doesn't matter what party would do this, and why?

[play.soccer]

How does a provincial premier have any say on federal law?

[Digger1]

What about Kenney?

[Newview01]

I realize his opinion is not going to change the law, but the fact that he would not support the suggested changes is a little disconcerting.

[play.soccer]

Why doesn't the NFA try to change jeans mind instead of just turning voters against him? Jean has the best chance of being premier. Let's not squander it. We can't lose the best election.

[bloopbloob]

Originally Posted by Newview01

From the NFA’s facebook page.



I thought Brian Jean was more gun-friendly.

He will not get my vote.

He will get my vote.....

[Talking moose]

Brian is pro gun. He hunts and has a trap line. To say he wants lax penalties for gun offences is political suicide.

[pikeman06]

He wants votes and knows what the general population needs to hear after something as tragic as the Las Vegas massacre. He gets my vote. Alberta can't have another NDP term. We already lost what it took decades to build in foreign investment. Never mind the deficit they have put us hard working albertans in, our grandchildren need a future besides paying taxes to a " do nothing" government.

[play.soccer]

Originally Posted by pikeman06

He wants votes and knows what the general population needs to hear after something as tragic as the Las Vegas massacre. He gets my vote. Alberta can't have another NDP term. We already lost what it took decades to build in foreign investment. Never mind the deficit they have put us hard working albertans in, our grandchildren need a future besides paying taxes to a " do nothing" government.

Bingo

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by Newview01

From the NFA’s facebook page.



I thought Brian Jean was more gun-friendly.

He will not get my vote.

You do realize that the law has to be unbiased in its application. Sec. 91 applies to everyone from the old farmer to the gang banger. There are plenty of gang bangers in possession of firearms without a license where no other criminality is involved at the time of the possession offence. Get rid or reduce the penalty for Sec. 91 and it applies to the gang banger too. I rather the farmer gets his sh$& together and renew his PAL as opposed to let the gang banger get off with a fine.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

You do realize that the law has to be unbiased in its application. Sec. 91 applies to everyone from the old farmer to the gang banger. There are plenty of gang bangers in possession of firearms without a license where no other criminality is involved at the time of the possession offence. Get rid or reduce the penalty for Sec. 91 and it applies to the gang banger too. I rather the farmer gets his sh$& together and renew his PAL as opposed to let the gang banger get off with a fine.

Yeah, I know you would. Doesn’t mean that it works.

It would be perfect if we had a law that made murder illegal right?

[theoldguy]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

You do realize that the law has to be unbiased in its application. Sec. 91 applies to everyone from the old farmer to the gang banger. There are plenty of gang bangers in possession of firearms without a license where no other criminality is involved at the time of the possession offence. Get rid or reduce the penalty for Sec. 91 and it applies to the gang banger too. I rather the farmer gets his sh$& together and renew his PAL as opposed to let the gang banger get off with a fine.

Good point - from an old farmer. He gets my vote too. tog

[HowSwedeItIs]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

You do realize that the law has to be unbiased in its application. Sec. 91 applies to everyone from the old farmer to the gang banger. There are plenty of gang bangers in possession of firearms without a license where no other criminality is involved at the time of the possession offence. Get rid or reduce the penalty for Sec. 91 and it applies to the gang banger too. I rather the farmer gets his sh$& together and renew his PAL as opposed to let the gang banger get off with a fine.

Good point

[Kristopher10]

I would think that as a responsible firearm owner, who is in possession of firearms, would keep their PAL current.

I understand that sometimes things slip the mind, and one may be waiting for a renewed PAL. I'm also of the mind that if my PAL expires the firearms will not be removed from my safe until I get a valid one. I can't see the RCMP knocking on your door to check your PAL and then search your home for firearms, much less charging you under the criminal code for it.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by Newview01

From the NFA’s facebook page.

Quote:
Gun owners in Alberta should know this about Brian Jean and gun owner licensing #cantalkguns #worldwithoutguns
When asked if he supported taking non violent, non victim firearms offenses out of the Criminal Code of Canada United Conservative Party Leadership Candidate Brian Jean said "ABSOLUTELY NOT, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN".
Section 91 of Canada's Criminal code allows a 4 year prison sentence for the non violent, non victim crime of possession of a firearm.
The gun license allows possession without criminal charges - however when it expires criminal charges can be laid under CCC S 91. Despite the very limited Amnesty created by Bill C42



I thought Brian Jean was more gun-friendly.

He will not get my vote.

That ^ looks like Facebook 'hearsay', to me!

Gun owners of Alberta should know that Brian Jean is a gun owner, hunter, and also ran a trapline in his earlier days.

And if you don't believe this ... go ask Brian himself!

Selkirk

[1899b]

All I know is that the Jean family, a whole lot of them lived off the land in my home town of McMurray and were using firearms to do it.

[brendan's dad]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Yeah, I know you would. Doesn’t mean that it works.

It would be perfect if we had a law that made murder illegal right?

So you are of the opinion that because there are individuals (criminals) in our society that do not adhere to the laws, then we should just get rid of said laws?

Newview01 for Prime Minister.... run on the platform of no laws and let everyone fend for themselves. I think you may have watched "Mad Max" one too many times. But if that is the type of world you want to live in, then Canada may not be the place for you.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Newview01

From the NFA’s facebook page.

Gun owners in Alberta should know this about Brian Jean and gun owner licensing #cantalkguns #worldwithoutguns
When asked if he supported taking non violent, non victim firearms offenses out of the Criminal Code of Canada United Conservative Party Leadership Candidate Brian Jean said "ABSOLUTELY NOT, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN".
Section 91 of Canada's Criminal code allows a 4 year prison sentence for the non violent, non victim crime of possession of a firearm.
The gun license allows possession without criminal charges - however when it expires criminal charges can be laid under CCC S 91. Despite the very limited Amnesty created by Bill C42

I thought Brian Jean was more gun-friendly.

He will not get my vote.

So you feel if a career criminal gets pulled over and police find a loaded Glock in his car that it should not be a crime? I sure do.

[diamond k]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

You do realize that the law has to be unbiased in its application. Sec. 91 applies to everyone from the old farmer to the gang banger. There are plenty of gang bangers in possession of firearms without a license where no other criminality is involved at the time of the possession offence. Get rid or reduce the penalty for Sec. 91 and it applies to the gang banger too. I rather the farmer gets his sh$& together and renew his PAL as opposed to let the gang banger get off with a fine.

Agree with you but it is still unfortunate that some cant see the forest for the trees. All gun laws are not necessarily bad laws. Much to some peoples dismay this is not the wild west anymore.

[skidderman]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Brian is pro gun. He hunts and has a trap line. To say he wants lax penalties for gun offences is political suicide.

This. Anything else is likely fake news.

[Don_Parsons]

Mr Jean or Kenny as long as none of us ever hear the words NDP in the West.

Don

Brian at least is a out door person and family man of OHV, river boats, fishing, hunting and all things related.

He is easy to chat with and common folk like many of us.
I meet with him this spring, very aprochable person who lives in Alberta, knows Alberta, and presses the issues for us in Alberta.

Jason Kenny is a hard working runner that can get things done to. My brother has meet him a few times as he's a go getter.

To each their own come election time my friends.

The question I'd be asking is,,, what would the Notley team say if they were asked this question???

Don

PS: I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but it looks like our leader is staying pretty clear of the public over the last few months.

Purhaps there is a melt down happening that is not being shared.

[EZM]

Once again we scratch at the surface of one comment made, in which the context may not be clear, and are ready to burn someone at the stake as it doesn't match our extremist and absolutist views.

BJ is not anti gun. Maybe do some research about who he is and what he does before lighting the fire here.

A perfect way to, once again, divide us and let the socialists and liberals become our elected leaders instead.

[play.soccer]

The NFA also says gun owners should become members of the liberal party.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by play.soccer

The NFA also says gun owners should become members of the liberal party.

Credible link please
.

[makin tracks]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

You do realize that the law has to be unbiased in its application. Sec. 91 applies to everyone from the old farmer to the gang banger. There are plenty of gang bangers in possession of firearms without a license where no other criminality is involved at the time of the possession offence. Get rid or reduce the penalty for Sec. 91 and it applies to the gang banger too. I rather the farmer gets his sh$& together and renew his PAL as opposed to let the gang banger get off with a fine.

great post , looks like some don't get it.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by brendan's dad

You do realize that the law has to be unbiased in its application. Sec. 91 applies to everyone from the old farmer to the gang banger. There are plenty of gang bangers in possession of firearms without a license where no other criminality is involved at the time of the possession offence. Get rid or reduce the penalty for Sec. 91 and it applies to the gang banger too. I rather the farmer gets his sh$& together and renew his PAL as opposed to let the gang banger get off with a fine.

Excellent point AND think about this ....

A gang banger can face 4 yrs sentence ...... because that's the maximum sentence.

A farmer who forgot to renew his PAL may not even get charged, and if he does, he might get a $50 fine.

Both of these "CRIMES" are prosecuted under the same statute.

So let's not pretend the gang banger is going to be treated the same way as the farmer. That's just being ignorant, absolutist and paranoid.

[Newview01]

I was not aware of Brian Jean's actual stance. It is now clear his public stance is one of political necessity, which is understandable.

For those who support the law, check your head. A PAL serves no other purpose than to hobble the freedoms of the law abiding. It would be just as easy to charge criminals who are in possession of a firearm as opposed to generally criminalizing the possession of a firearm unless the individual has the proper "paperwork".

[diamond k]

Originally Posted by Newview01

I was not aware of Brian Jean's actual stance. It is now clear his public stance is one of political necessity, which is understandable.

For those who support the law, check your head. A PAL serves no other purpose than to hobble the freedoms of the law abiding. It would be just as easy to charge criminals who are in possession of a firearm as opposed to generally criminalizing the possession of a firearm unless the individual has the proper "paperwork".

Every law we have in Canada ,without exception, would hobble someone's freedom under your definition so that argument is ludacris

I have no issue with the PAL requirement and have never seen a situation where someone was denied a PAL without adequate justification. I have heard stories but like most of them they usually fall apart when vetted out.

[Kristopher10]

Originally Posted by Newview01

I was not aware of Brian Jean's actual stance. It is now clear his public stance is one of political necessity, which is understandable.



For those who support the law, check your head. A PAL serves no other purpose than to hobble the freedoms of the law abiding. It would be just as easy to charge criminals who are in possession of a firearm as opposed to generally criminalizing the possession of a firearm unless the individual has the proper "paperwork".

If the PAL was abolished would you feel comfortable knowing that anyone without any kind of safety training can get a gun? I seem to remember that the firearms safety course was mandatory for obtaining a PAL. I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable meeting a hunter on the opposite side of a clearing who is unaware of how to handle a firearm safely.


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