Danielle Smith

[AxeMan]

Trudeau is not bothered in the least over Danielle's idea of the Sovereignty Act.
First of all he knows that the Canadian Constitution will protect him and especially so because it is interpreted by his Liberal appointed Justices.

Already, the Liberal "Janitor" Dominic LeBlanc has weighed in for Trudeau on the Federal legal powers in the Constitution Act 1867. LeBlanc is the "Janitor" for the Liberal Party and his job is to clean up any messes for Trudeau.

The Constitution Act 1867 has a few sections (55, 56, and 90) which give the Federal Government complete control over all laws in Canada:

Disallowance and Reservation in Canada

Disallowance and reservation are historical constitutional powers in Canada that act as a mechanism to delay or overrule legislation passed by Parliament or a provincial legislature. In contemporary Canadian history, disallowance is an authority granted to the governor general in council (federal cabinet) to invalidate an enactment passed by a provincial legislature. Reservation is an authority granted to the lieutenant governor to withhold royal assent from a bill which has been passed by a provincial legislature. The bill is then "reserved" for consideration by the federal cabinet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disall...tion_in_Canada

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds...lanc-1.6179932

This whole Sovereignty Bill is politics pure and simple. Dictator Justin Trudeau has complete control and is very willing to use it. He just finished using the old War Measures Act (Emergency Act) against a mostly lawful protest and bouncy castles.

[AI 6.5]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

Did back track a little to much there but I’m trying to find out why people are saying there freedom is at stake.
Rules and laws are part of this country

I am sure Notley will appreciate your vote,

[AI 6.5]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

I don’t feel at any time my feedom is being taken away.
Some laws the government is introducing i may not agree with but it’s not taken away my freedom.

Do you own any firearms, just curious?

[stubblejumper01]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

Not trolling this Daniel smith is proposing some bold moves. Trying to understand her reason and why some agree with her

She is trying to give us the same powers as Quebec. All provinces should.
As far as health care, what they have been doing isn’t working so someone has to be brave enough to make changes. The bureaucrats running things were put in place by previous governments. To enable change you need people willing to try different options.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Devils advocate here. The RCMP is seen as corrupt by many and some see a provincial police force as the answer.

Ontario has the OPP also seen as corrupt

Quebec has their own police force seen as corrupt

What is it that makes us believe an Alberta Provincial Police Force won’t ultimately be as corrupt as the others.

Is Police corruption inevitable? Absolute power etc,…

My guess is that an APP will initially be made up of RCMP that are already in the Province and prefer not to relocate. Therefore things will not change as much as you might imagine.

Food for thought.

Add the VPD to your list and I bet there is many more

You do have a valid point

It would not be just a matter of replacing the RCMP that would be needed but also changes to the system to creating accountability for those who choose to abuse their authority. This would be easier to achieve with a provincial force as you would be able to cut out federal approval for any regulatory changes

But no one has brought forward more than just “ let’s replace the RCMP “. Correcting the issue involve a more in depth plan which I have not presently seen as part of the discussion when politicians talk about replacing the RCMP

If it’s a solid well thought out plan to replace the RCMP it could be good. If it’s simply just replacing them you could just be trading them for another corrupt force

This is why often the only difference between a good and a bad idea is how well thought out the plan is to execute it

[AxeMan]

I do applaud Danielle Smith for proposing something to fight back against the complete dictatorship of Justin Trudeau. Kenney was too much of a Federalist to attempt any serious pushback, in some ways a bit of a closet Liberal. Danielle is campaigning to her base more than anything with this proposed act for the spring election. Some baby steps may be achieved to stifle Trudeau if she wins the election. She does have my vote of course. NDP is nothing but socialism/debt/economic destruction in partnership with Trudeau.

The comparison between Alberta to Quebec is apples to oranges I believe. We know that the Constitution Act and the Federal Courts will protect Trudeau. The only real threat to Trudeau is the genuine threat of separation and the large number of Federal seats that Quebec holds. Face it, Quebec has demonstrated a real threat and reality of separation and almost won the 1995 Quebec Separation referendum; the margin was about 1% between yes and no.

Until Alberta actually represents a real threat of separation, any comparison to Quebec will not be perceived by Trudeau as anything but whining. Alberta has a long ways to go to represent any real threat to national unity. A lot of factors geographically and culturally make it more difficult for Alberta.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

I do applaud Danielle Smith for proposing something to fight back against the complete dictatorship of Justin Trudeau. Kenney was too much of a Federalist to attempt any serious pushback, in some ways a bit of a closet Liberal. Danielle is campaigning to her base more than anything with this proposed act for the spring election. Some baby steps may be achieved to stifle Trudeau if she wins the election. She does have my vote of course. NDP is nothing but socialism/debt/economic destruction in partnership with Trudeau.

The comparison between Alberta to Quebec is apples to oranges I believe. We know that the Constitution Act and the Federal Courts will protect Trudeau. The only real threat to Trudeau is the genuine threat of separation and the large number of Federal seats that Quebec holds. Face it, Quebec has demonstrated a real threat and reality of separation and almost won the 1995 Quebec Separation referendum; the margin was about 1% between yes and no.

Until Alberta actually represents a real threat of separation, any comparison to Quebec will not be perceived by Trudeau as anything but whining. Alberta has a long ways to go to represent any real threat to national unity. A lot of factors geographically and culturally make it more difficult for Alberta.

Baby steps. The only ones loosing their minds over the UCP/Danielle are the left wing. Kinda nice to see actually. The rabid dog attacks against her are entertaining. They know the gravy train is over. Their reaction is like a 2 year old having a meltdown.

[Peace Meal Farm]

Originally Posted by Albertacoyotecaller

Isn’t there a hunting forum for liberals you can join?

Devil's advocate and all that, but I personally don't mind hearing the argument as posed from another perspective. It's akin to listening to the CBC from time to time; you need to check in to see just how different the messaging is.

I particularly enjoyed his assertion in this thread that the rights/freedoms of individuals have not been curtailed. Meanwhile, a year-long order in council prevented my own free movement into and out of the Yukon. As a resident there I quite literally had to sneak in and out of the Territory. Never before have I had my movement restricted within my own country, and at the time I likened it to a period in our history when Canada forced its First Nations to carry paperwork in order to leave the res. I hope that my shared experience here gives him reason to consider the accuracy oh his own perspective versus that of others.

When we can't share a common space we've gone too far down the path of disagreement and polarization. The US is further down this route than we are and I don't view that as a sign of their success. I don't think we need an echo chamber (whether on this forum or in the world at large), but I do think that we need some real change to the federal powers which govern us!

[Supergrit]

Originally Posted by AI 6.5

Do you own any firearms, just curious?

Yes I have a large collection of guns and some of the new gun laws trying to be passed I don’t agree with. I do like Canadian gun laws for the most part. I like that hand guns are restricted and the public can’t carry them. I like restrictions on semi automatic clip size. I like that you can’t buy bump stocks over the counter. Are laws are much better then the US in my opinion.

[32-40win]

Definitely an interesting position for Alberta to take, I'm of the it sounds great, probably will go nowhere, but, maybe, it'll do some good. Sure a lot of lawyers will be happy to work with it in the courts, may be some good surprises, may be some bad ones, be a few yrs before we see any results out of it all.
If it all makes for a miserable day for the Libs/NDP, fine by me.

[glen moa]

Someone’s success is measured by the attack ads coming at them.
Danielle Smith must have hit a home run. Notley had to go beg the pm for help.
Let the games begin. I know what side I’m on.

[hayseed]

Notley and Trudeau have killed us in Alberta!!! Why are we going down this road again?? Why would you get them back Ito power for Alberta?? NDP is in bed with the Feds!! Danielle has more of a plan other than prepaid attack ads on radio, tv and social media!!

There was another thread on leaving Alberta, and Canada, I am also looking to get the hell outa here.

[roper1]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

Yes I have a large collection of guns and some of the new gun laws trying to be passed I don’t agree with. I do like Canadian gun laws for the most part. I like that hand guns are restricted and the public can’t carry them. I like restrictions on semi automatic clip size. I like that you can’t buy bump stocks over the counter. Are laws are much better then the US in my opinion.

I have lived down there a couple different times in a couple different states. For any gun owner, anywhere, any place, any time, to ever state Canada gun laws are better than the US really does not understand the issue. IMO

[6.5 shooter]

Just some more info so .... The NDP/Liberal voters can have their collective brains explode.

https://youtu.be/x1TMzVra4jU

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter

Just some more info so .... The NDP/Liberal voters can have their collective brains explode.

https://youtu.be/x1TMzVra4jU

There is a very, very clear difference between the two ladies, and one clearly has Albertan's in mind and one does not.

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

What freedoms are getting taken away in Canada?

There is no way this is a serious post. It just can't be.

Unless you've been living in a cave since Zoolander took power..


What freedoms AREN'T under attack by the Liberal government?

[chasingtail]

Originally Posted by jungleboy

Devils advocate here. The RCMP is seen as corrupt by many and some see a provincial police force as the answer.

Ontario has the OPP also seen as corrupt

Quebec has their own police force seen as corrupt

What is it that makes us believe an Alberta Provincial Police Force won’t ultimately be as corrupt as the others.

Is Police corruption inevitable? Absolute power etc,…

My guess is that an APP will initially be made up of RCMP that are already in the Province and prefer not to relocate. Therefore things will not change as much as you might imagine.

Food for thought.

Maybe, but when they go door to door confiscating our firearms at least the orders came from Edmonton.

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

Yes I have a large collection of guns and some of the new gun laws trying to be passed I don’t agree with. I do like Canadian gun laws for the most part. I like that hand guns are restricted and the public can’t carry them. I like restrictions on semi automatic clip size. I like that you can’t buy bump stocks over the counter. Are laws are much better then the US in my opinion.

It sounds to me you liked our gun laws pre Trudeau, as in pre him taking away a lot of our guns. I can’t tell if you’re ok with either breaking the law that he is laying down or you don’t feel that him taking your personal property and paying you squat isn’t taking your freedom. If you don’t have any guns on his list don’t worry that list is changing so fast it’ll make your head spin and pretty soon your bolt action hunting rifle will be the newest casualty on account of it being a “sniper rifle”

[CBintheNorth]

Wow. Good 'ol Gil really lost his cool.
I can see Rachel's campaign team absolutely freaking out right about now. Lol
Danielle is definitely onto something.
https://twitter.com/freealbertarob/s...204534272?s=12

[Cove]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Wow. Good 'ol Gil really lost his cool.
I can see Rachel's campaign team absolutely freaking out right about now. Lol
Danielle is definitely onto something.
https://twitter.com/freealbertarob/s...204534272?s=12

LOL I commented on this on another twitter post by the guy who filmed it. A simple statement of how the NDP have some really classy folks.

Turns out that NDP supporters are able to come to the conclusion, that I beat up kids, storm into hospitals and terrorize them. As well, I'm some kind of racist now as well.

Thats alot of reading between the lines.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Wow. Good 'ol Gil really lost his cool.
I can see Rachel's campaign team absolutely freaking out right about now. Lol
Danielle is definitely onto something.
https://twitter.com/freealbertarob/s...204534272?s=12

Just another ndp union nutcase, nothing that surprises me at all.

[Sooner]

Ole Gil will apologize and try to blame the reporter and UCP moles for baiting him. Meanwhile, the news will let it die and focus on what DS said to someone's pet dog.


If any other right leaning person spewed that on camera, they would be hung high in the news. Very happy to turn on AO this am and see that his protest fizzled and then got caught being not so nice. Wonder if that was his kid who had to throw in the wear a mask $%#& comment.

[Big Grey Wolf]

"Anne of a 1000 days" 'Danielle of 180 days' May 29th is coming up fast.

[teledogs]

I love how Gil's sidekick screams '*****n wear a mask b*tch!' to a lady opposing them while Gil is maskless. That sums up how they think! Classless!

[Cove]

Originally Posted by teledogs

I love how Gil's sidekick screams '*****n wear a mask b*tch!' to a lady opposing them while Gil is maskless. That sums up how the think! Classless!

Thats Gil's son thats with him. So at least we all know how he's turned out...

[Stinky Buffalo]

Regarding the RCMP vs. a Provincial Police force - One thing to consider are the amount of RCMP who are quietly leaving the force.

Many are taking early retirement because of the issues that they see within the organization. I'm hearing about this more and more.

The possibility of RCMP members crossing over to a new provincial force may be higher than you think.

And many of them will be crossing over for exactly the reason that one would hope they would - to escape corruption and federal dictates, those who joined the force to make a positive difference in their communities. They would be very welcome, I would think.

Also, we do pay the feds for the RCMP services. So that part of the policing budget will be reclaimed.

[59whiskers]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

Wow. Good 'ol Gil really lost his cool.
I can see Rachel's campaign team absolutely freaking out right about now. Lol
Danielle is definitely onto something.
https://twitter.com/freealbertarob/s...204534272?s=12

Who will throw the first punch?

[sewerrat]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

Regarding the RCMP vs. a Provincial Police force - One thing to consider are the amount of RCMP who are quietly leaving the force.

Many are taking early retirement because of the issues that they see within the organization. I'm hearing about this more and more.

The possibility of RCMP members crossing over to a new provincial force may be higher than you think.

And many of them will be crossing over for exactly the reason that one would hope they would - to escape corruption and federal dictates, those who joined the force to make a positive difference in their communities. They would be very welcome, I would think.

Also, we do pay the feds for the RCMP services. So that part of the policing budget will be reclaimed.

It would all depends on pay.
The Alberta Sheriffs were intergrated with the RCMP, they now have split the sheets and the AB sheriffs are working out of provincial buildings.
There are a number of sheriffs that are leaving and moving to city police, much better pay.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by sewerrat

It would all depends on pay.
The Alberta Sheriffs were intergrated with the RCMP, they now have split the sheets and the AB sheriffs are working out of provincial buildings.
There are a number of sheriffs that are leaving and moving to city police, much better pay.

Yup, pay and pensions are a huge factor for sure.

It stands to reason that the creation of a new provincial force would have to take these kinds of things into account. It would need to be a very well-thought-out process.

[Albertacoyotecaller]

Originally Posted by Peace Meal Farm

Devil's advocate and all that, but I personally don't mind hearing the argument as posed from another perspective. It's akin to listening to the CBC from time to time; you need to check in to see just how different the messaging is.

I particularly enjoyed his assertion in this thread that the rights/freedoms of individuals have not been curtailed. Meanwhile, a year-long order in council prevented my own free movement into and out of the Yukon. As a resident there I quite literally had to sneak in and out of the Territory. Never before have I had my movement restricted within my own country, and at the time I likened it to a period in our history when Canada forced its First Nations to carry paperwork in order to leave the res. I hope that my shared experience here gives him reason to consider the accuracy oh his own perspective versus that of others.

When we can't share a common space we've gone too far down the path of disagreement and polarization. The US is further down this route than we are and I don't view that as a sign of their success. I don't think we need an echo chamber (whether on this forum or in the world at large), but I do think that we need some real change to the federal powers which govern us!

I agree. However when I listen to the CBC, it only takes about a day for me to come back to the conclusion that the arguments made on that side are all emotion based and not sensible. I then turn it off again and go back to listening to music.

I enjoy the company of friends who don’t have the same political stance as me. We converse and things are good. When they come to my home and spout bull****, I don’t ask them back. We aren’t all the same and that’s fine. I don’t surround myself with only like minded individuals. I do not have a large C on my leather jacket. I follow the issues and have a heart and want to fix social issues. However to tell us that there are no restrictions or freedoms lost is ridiculous. You can only bury your head in the sand so much.

My father came from Yugoslavia. He was a die hard liberal as he came to Canada during the years that liberal policy encouraged it. His brother was shot in the back during the years that the Nazis marched across Yugoslavia. You would think he wouldn’t be for gun control but he was. You wouldn’t think he would want restrictions but he loved laws that restricted him and his freedoms. He wanted a better life but he also wanted what he knew from a communist country. He wanted the government to have control. That’s confusing to me.

This country claims to offer freedom and prosperity. However the reality is the opposite for lots of people. Lots of Canadians claim this country is free however they will do their best to stifle the freedoms of their neighbours. They encourage law makers to find new ways to write laws that restrict us. They enjoy restricting their fellow Canadians based on their emotions. They don’t want to see their neighbour get ahead, they want to hold him down. For what reason, I do not know.